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04-06-2008, 10:04 AM
Hello all, I'm coming up to the park for the first time the weekend of may 2-6. Could anyone give me some patterns and some direction as to some easy to find spots to catch a few fish?

04-06-2008, 02:57 PM
Go to the end of the road at Tremont Institue (it's entrance is on the raod to Cades Cove). Park in the small parking area at the end and fish there to get your feet wet without a lot of effort, but if you really want to catch a few, I would try hiking up the trail at the end for a half mile or so. There are also some decent areas on the way up to the parking lot that you could fish. Try using a pheasant tail/ prince nymph or a Adams Parachute. I just started, so some of this may be a little incorrect, but the directions are good!

04-06-2008, 03:01 PM
Also, I hear that you should bring a rod between 6-8.5 ft and a line between 2-6 weight. After fishing the area a bit with my 8.5ft rod and 6 wt line, I lean more toward a 7.5 ft rod and 4wt line. It can get to be a little tight. The main thing is watch your backcast. Check to make certain that you aren't about to get hung up on anything. I bet I lost about 10 flies (store bought) at Metcalf Bottoms...I figure it cost me about $22 with tax to figure out that if your back casst isn't clear, you really aren't fishing, you're just getting tangled in trees.:frown:

04-06-2008, 05:48 PM
Practice up on your roll casts. I think it's impossible for mortals to fish the streams in the smokeys without leaving ornamants hanging around as decorations.

Mainly, have fun, don't get stressed.


Brook Fan
04-08-2008, 09:21 PM
I see which flies to use but what size is recommended for the park.
I use alot of #20's for the Clinch but what would be best for the park?

04-08-2008, 09:57 PM
Most of the flies that I have had sucess with are in the 14 to 16 size. One of the reasons I like to fish in the park is that you can use larger flies and they are easier to see instead of those tiny flies that you have to fish on the tailwaters around here.

04-08-2008, 11:45 PM
Also it's been proved that Trout will take the larger food source when feeding.....so henceforth and therefore, I never worry (too much) about fly size


04-09-2008, 12:14 AM
Also it's been proved that Trout will take the larger food source when feeding.....so henceforth and therefore, I never worry (too much) about fly size


So true.

If you go back in time, fly fisherman like Bergman used wet files in size 6.


Brook Fan
04-09-2008, 06:41 AM
I'm going to give the larger flies a shot then because its tuff trying to find those little 20's in the current.
Thanks for the park advice I hope to be in there for the 1st time fishing on the 19th. Hoping for my 1st Brook.:smile:

04-09-2008, 07:31 AM
You will be amazed, no matter how many pictures you've seen, at the experience of holding a wild Brookie for the first time. They are gorgeous little fish. BTW I love your quote there, I've got everything McManus ever wrote, he's a card.

Rog 1
04-09-2008, 08:38 AM
Aside from the size of the fly I have found that as I advance in years I need additional help locating those feathery things once on the water.....when I first started fishing as a teenager the fly of choice was a Ginger Quill and even then it was hard to see....then came the discovery of the Wulff type flies and parachutes.....since these waters are rarely open to a lot of sunlight I find a spot of white or even orange really helps in keeping an eye on fly...

Brook Fan
04-09-2008, 08:02 PM
The chase is good enough but I do hope to one day see a wild Brook face to face and hopefully because of my fly and not my partners.

04-09-2008, 09:34 PM
For me, a consistent weapon in the quest for brookies is a #16 Parachute Adams, going yellow in the summer. Small enough not to scare off a good brookie but really easy to track in the water with the parachute on top.

04-09-2008, 09:51 PM
I second the nomination of the PA - undoubtedly the most versitile fly around, in either the "regular" or yellow configurations. If the brookies are a bit skitterish, as they were back in November, I'll drop down to a #18 or even a #20.

Another good one to try, as we drift towards summer, is the foam yellow stonefly - I noticed LRO was getting cleaned out of those last year. Finally, this time of year is perfect for a Mr Rapidan - a Wulff type fly with yellow posts that is very easy to see in choppy water.

Brook Fan: If you want to get one of those wild brookies, as George Allen used to say, the future is NOW (although this weekend isn't shaping up too good, weather-wise). There are a couple of streams in the park that don't require much hiking where you can get some specs - just don't expect any monsters. One day I would like to try Raven Fork; that stream does require quite a hike, but it is larger and therefore holds some larger fish. Many years from now, after the restoration is complete, Lynn Camp might be a similar fishery. If you would like, email me at ijsouth@yahoo.com if you would like some streams and locations, etc.

A living jewel

04-10-2008, 01:36 AM
On size! Byron has stated to many folks on many occassions that I recal, whether being in the shop or on the board. In fishing these past 5 or 6 years, on and off, in the park I've come to notice that on certain days, specifically the spring and summer, size normally isn't an issue!

Now consider that a vast majority of my time fishing is knee deep in a tailwater, I don't fish the smokies as often as I should. I will say that fishing a tailwater is a whole nother animal!!! Size is a definate, color is next, and shape can ruin your day! I've run into that problem many many times on a tailwater.

As far as the smokies are concerned, get close on the size, don't worry to much about the shape, and definately pick the right colors!!!!

I've never had any real success with the weenie...but I'll give you a great fly for brookies with some good overhanging tree's in the smokies...It's a Serendipity....It's a simple tie too! I would use a TMC5262 in about a size 14 maybe 16, brown thread, amber wire (SM), and then use some elk hair for the head.....Hook in vice, catch in your wire, tie to bend, build thread base, whip, wrap evenly upshank with wire, whip, tie in clump of elk (on top), whip twice, then cut the elk hair so that it hangs over about 1/4 of an inch from where you tied the hair in at....It is a killer pattern that duplicates a brown inch worm! I've personally seen brookies come from about 4' away and slam that fly the second it hit the water, it was some of the fastest fishing you had ever seen!

Now as for other patterns I'd reccoment....Spotlight yellow sally (Umpqua), yellow "rabbit dubbed" parachute 14's and 16's, para adams 12,14,16, Bufus slow water sally 14 and 16, bwo's 16 through 22's, madam x sulphur and adams 14 and 16, terrestrials...the power of the ant folks!, and of course one rediculously sized goldne stone fly...that is one hatch that makes me angry! I never have one in the box when needed!

Those in your fly box, should land you fish all summer long in the smokies!


Oh, and a Doc's cork 14, 16, and a yellow humphy 14 16

04-10-2008, 08:29 AM
As always I'm the last to post about anything, but I have to say that while i think that most of the time you can get away with anything thunderhead or yellow caddis (as far as dries), i think there is this misconception that Smokies fish are 100% opprotunistic and non selective as a whole so size, shape, and color are a non issue....if that were true, then we'd all be posting pics of grip n' grins till storage ran out on LRO's server...
IMHO, fishing pocket water or faster riffle water can take generic, less particular patterns - those close enough for government patterns -most of the time and I'll even upsize a bug for clarity,but when fishing pools or clear slower water in the park or hatches, sometimes a more accurate pattern is warranted. I've fished several hatches i the park where shape, size, and color matter and it was comparable to fishing a tailwater as far as "technical" is concerned and while i carry a bulk of my "goto" generics , I keep a couple of carbon copies (tailwater caliber) flies in the box for those selective times...
As for small flies, I only break out the small stuff in the winter but even then there are LBC to keep my eyes from hurting when fishing dries...
And I have to pay homage the venerable GREEN WEENIE - ode to the power of the weenie (during the right season of course)...a few big brownies and a slew of specs that would vault out of the water to grabb this fly before it hit the water will change anyones mind...

Brook Fan
04-10-2008, 11:38 AM
Thanks ijsouth
I'll certainly take as much inof as you want to provide.
I'lll shot you an email today.

04-10-2008, 12:57 PM
Brook Fan:

Check your email.

Brook Fan
04-11-2008, 06:39 AM
Thanks for the info
My father in law and I have chose our target and hopefully on the 20th there will be some post of some beautiful wild trout.:smile: