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Worrgamesguy
06-11-2008, 12:07 AM
Hey guys I've been fishing since I was two, and I absolutely love it. I'm finally of the age where I can pick up and go whenever I want, and I frequent the Caney Fork. I got really tired of all the fly fishermen treating me like an idiot because I used a spin rod, and I've always wanted to try fly fishing. I guess fishing is like snow sports, there is snowboarding and skiing- they hate each other just like fly and spin fishermen do. I've ran into A LOT of assholes and it just made me sick.

I was sitting here at home bored today, and I remembered my dad had a fly rod that he never learned to use. So I went and got it out, watched a few tutorials on Youtube, and put it to the test. I went to a local river that is mainly brim and bass, with an occasional trout, and tried it out. It's really hard to learn, but I did catch a bluegill, so that got my hopes up.

I have NO clue what needs to be done in order to be productive. The rod and reel is older than I am, and I'm going to be 18 in a few months. The fly I used today was a wet fly apparently, and I wanted to fish dry, so when I got home I put some scotch guard to make it float until I can afford to buy new flies. I wanted to go up to Center Hill and ask some of the fly fishermen for some tips and if I could watch them fish for awhile, but I'm scared that they will be jerks like the rest. What do I need to do?

ttas67
06-11-2008, 01:20 AM
the internet is a great resource for fly fishing information. I would definitely take advantage of it and learn as much as you can. that being said, there's only so much you can learn from reading. the quickest way to learn is by doing.

i don't think it would be wrong to just talk to some of the guys fly fishing there. when I first started, I stopped and talked to people all the time (and still do). the idea of the snob fly fisherman is some kind of perpetuated myth that I believe you'll see dissolve if you actually start talking to some guys. some people may be short with you, but I think most of them would be willing to at least talk and help you out some.

once, when I had only been fly fishing for a couple weeks, I stopped and talked to a guy who was suiting up and he invited me to fish with him for a few hours. he didn't even end up fishing that much and basically just guided me. He coached me on my cast, gave me flies, and put me onto alot of fish. Honestly, I think he enjoyed helping me more than he did fishing.

you can also look into a local TU or FFF organization in your area. You should find helpful people there and hopefully some that would be glad to take you along fishing for a day.

last but not least, find a good fly shop (like this one). they're in the business of helping people out and creating new customers. most will go over the top to give you information and assistance.

Worrgamesguy
06-11-2008, 11:26 AM
the internet is a great resource for fly fishing information. I would definitely take advantage of it and learn as much as you can. that being said, there's only so much you can learn from reading. the quickest way to learn is by doing.

i don't think it would be wrong to just talk to some of the guys fly fishing there. when I first started, I stopped and talked to people all the time (and still do). the idea of the snob fly fisherman is some kind of perpetuated myth that I believe you'll see dissolve if you actually start talking to some guys. some people may be short with you, but I think most of them would be willing to at least talk and help you out some.

once, when I had only been fly fishing for a couple weeks, I stopped and talked to a guy who was suiting up and he invited me to fish with him for a few hours. he didn't even end up fishing that much and basically just guided me. He coached me on my cast, gave me flies, and put me onto alot of fish. Honestly, I think he enjoyed helping me more than he did fishing.

you can also look into a local TU or FFF organization in your area. You should find helpful people there and hopefully some that would be glad to take you along fishing for a day.

last but not least, find a good fly shop (like this one). they're in the business of helping people out and creating new customers. most will go over the top to give you information and assistance.

There are hundreds of fly fishing tutorials on Youtube, and one guy I really liked was Tim Landwehr (I think that was his name) from Tight Lines in Wisconsin. He actually took the time to explain what was wrong with your cast if _____ happened, and how to fix it.

The snob fishermen is definitely a reality, as it is becoming more frequent. My dad and I were floating our jon boat through some 2' water and there was no way to move around the other fishermen so as not to disrupt their fishing and a few got really pissed. What could we have done? It's not like we were using a huge outboard, or even a trolling motor, just floating with the current. They were insulting us and cursing for ruining their fishing.

I would really like for some avid fly fisherman to take me under his wing, I'm hopeless right now but it has only been one day since I started messing around with fly fishing. And I don't know what TU or FFF organizations are, but if they were in my area, I would bet that none would be willing to make the hour plus drive to Center Hill. And I think I'm screwed about flies, there aren't any fishing shops around here except for Walmart and Bass Pro 30 minutes away.

tennswede
06-11-2008, 03:36 PM
I don't know how far or how long it is of a drive for you but definitely get in touch with MTFFF. Middle TN Federation of Fly Fishers in Nashville. They will most certainly take you under your wing. I dont' know these guys personally but know one or two online. I can say this with confidence since I know that FFFF and TU (Trout Unlimited) will help you all they can. Go to www.fedflyfishers.org and click under councils and clubs.

Worrgamesguy
06-11-2008, 05:11 PM
I don't know how far or how long it is of a drive for you but definitely get in touch with MTFFF. Middle TN Federation of Fly Fishers in Nashville. They will most certainly take you under your wing. I dont' know these guys personally but know one or two online. I can say this with confidence since I know that FFFF and TU (Trout Unlimited) will help you all they can. Go to www.fedflyfishers.org (http://www.fedflyfishers.org) and click under councils and clubs.

With as high as gas prices are, it's all I can do to make it to the trout stream let alone make trips up to see some fellow fishermen. I bought some strike indicators, Cortland Nymph and streamer flies and grasshoppers, Keystone muddler minnow #10s, black wooly bugger, and brown wooly buggers.

TroutAssassin
06-11-2008, 05:21 PM
Join some groups, get to know some people, and hang around on the board long enough and you will learn quite a bit. I suggest you go to a bookstore and get the "Complete Idiots Guide To Fly Fishing". Not calling you an idiot or anything:biggrin: , but with you being a beginner, it will give you a solid base to start fly fishing.;)

Worrgamesguy
06-11-2008, 05:42 PM
Join some groups, get to know some people, and hang around on the board long enough and you will learn quite a bit. I suggest you go to a bookstore and get the "Complete Idiots Guide To Fly Fishing". Not calling you an idiot or anything:biggrin: , but with you being a beginner, it will give you a solid base to start fly fishing.;)

I can be on the board all day long, but money is definitely an issue with joining groups and going places. It's nice fly fishing because once you have your gear, you don't have to pay anything else like you would such as Powerbait, worms, etc. I'm not much for reading, but I have watched nearly every tutorial on Youtube. I went outside and started flipping a few lines out and I'm better now that I learned that my forearm does the powering, not my wrist.

Grumpy
06-12-2008, 09:04 AM
ah the internet, good place to learn, nothing like spending time with someone that knows though.
MTFF meet's the first Wednesday of every month, it would be worth saving a few gallons of gas to make these meetings & go on outings with them, heck, they'll even haul you to the river, they typically hookup & share rides.
I know of a grouchy old fart that works in a shop on West End in Nashville that would be glad to help you as well.
I don't think most fisherman are snobs, they're just trying to escape the every day world for a few hours & spend some "my time" on the river without having to interact with anyone else:eek:

Grumpy

PeteCz
06-12-2008, 09:30 AM
I don't think most fisherman are snobs, they're just trying to escape the every day world for a few hours & spend some "my time" on the river without having to interact with anyone else:eek:

I'm with Grumpy. I think most folks are just wanting to get away and are in the "zone" a bit when they get to a stream. I usually try to say "hi" to everyone I pass and almost everyone does the same. If you are polite and courteous I would bet that 95% of the people you see would answer most any question and perhaps even give you a fly or two. In fact, you might find that they wind up talking your ear off once you get them out of their trance.
:biggrin:

The Caney Fork will be quite a bit different fishing than over here in the park, so it would be best to talk to some folks with some local knowledge...like those folks over on West End...whoever they are...

Worrgamesguy
06-12-2008, 12:27 PM
ah the internet, good place to learn, nothing like spending time with someone that knows though.
MTFF meet's the first Wednesday of every month, it would be worth saving a few gallons of gas to make these meetings & go on outings with them, heck, they'll even haul you to the river, they typically hookup & share rides.
I know of a grouchy old fart that works in a shop on West End in Nashville that would be glad to help you as well.
I don't think most fisherman are snobs, they're just trying to escape the every day world for a few hours & spend some "my time" on the river without having to interact with anyone else:eek:

Grumpy

I guess I can see that. I got on their site and their next outing is in the Smoky Mountains, I can't afford a trip like that, I just missed their Caney Fork outing. But I suppose I could get involved in some organizations. Would you be this grouchy old fart, or who do I look for if I can get some spare time to head up to Nashville? I think fishing alone is kind of dreary, but I do notice how unaware of other things you become.

I'm with Grumpy. I think most folks are just wanting to get away and are in the "zone" a bit when they get to a stream. I usually try to say "hi" to everyone I pass and almost everyone does the same. If you are polite and courteous I would bet that 95% of the people you see would answer most any question and perhaps even give you a fly or two. In fact, you might find that they wind up talking your ear off once you get them out of their trance.
:biggrin:

The Caney Fork will be quite a bit different fishing than over here in the park, so it would be best to talk to some folks with some local knowledge...like those folks over on West End...whoever they are...

So if I made a trip up to the Caney, should I ask someone that was suiting up or already on the water for fly fishing advice? I would like to think that none of them would be assholes to a newbie at fly fishing but you never know. I'm gonna hit up Nice Mill here in Smyrna later today, I'm not sure when the last time they have stocked but it's a decent place to learn.

Byron Begley
06-12-2008, 03:09 PM
Worrgamesguy,

Grumpy runs the fly fishing department at Cumberland Transit located on West End Avenue close to the Holiday Inn and across the street from the Parthanon. It is a great shop. I was a customer there for years before moving to the Smokies. I just talked to him a few minutes ago for some boat advice. His name is Ronnie and he is a very knowledgable fly fisherman and a nice guy. He just thinks he is Grumpy. Go there and he will help you. It will be worth the drive.

Byron

Gerry Romer
06-12-2008, 04:11 PM
btw...

"Grumpy" makes a brief appearance in this month's issue of Flyfisherman... article on the Cumberland that should be good for business.

donwinn
06-12-2008, 04:55 PM
Worrgamesguy,

If you want to go to the Caney sometime, I will be happy to meet you there and share some flies and what little knowledge I have. Or, I will meet you for lunch sometime, and we can talk about where to go and what flies to use. Just let me know if you are interested, and I will give you an e-mail address.

Worrgamesguy
06-12-2008, 05:46 PM
Worrgamesguy,

Grumpy runs the fly fishing department at Cumberland Transit located on West End Avenue close to the Holiday Inn and across the street from the Parthanon. It is a great shop. I was a customer there for years before moving to the Smokies. I just talked to him a few minutes ago for some boat advice. His name is Ronnie and he is a very knowledgable fly fisherman and a nice guy. He just thinks he is Grumpy. Go there and he will help you. It will be worth the drive.

Byron

I can do that... Thanks for the help.

Worrgamesguy,

If you want to go to the Caney sometime, I will be happy to meet you there and share some flies and what little knowledge I have. Or, I will meet you for lunch sometime, and we can talk about where to go and what flies to use. Just let me know if you are interested, and I will give you an e-mail address.

Thanks, I'd really appreciate that. Maybe if Center Hill would stop generating for more than 3 or 4 hours... I went to Dick's yesterday and picked up some flies that weren't rusted (18+ years old). Here's what I picked up, as well as my rod setup. Anything that I need to do?

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*pens mark tippet to tippet*

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$40 later

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Grumpy
06-13-2008, 07:15 AM
That's cool, Don lives close to you & has offered to help, you're off to a good start.
I am the grouchy ol fart on West End, i do not like to advertise that fact on account of this being Byron's website, i always tell the folks headed his way to stop by LRO, for advice & the latest"top secret" flies & to just say hello to some great people.
I would tweak your leader a little for the Caney, 9' will work better & you'll hate to hear this, flourocarbon tippet(9.95) will work better on the sub surface patterns, of course, a shorter leader works fine for someone starting out, hopefully not as many tangles.
There's a little more to it than throwing a fly in the water & a fish jumping on it, somedays that works though:biggrin: keep in mind, it beat's work or going to classes & you'll always come home feeling better about time spent fishing.
I hope you get a chance to come by, hookup with Don & time on the water, with tese temps, a cool trout stream is my #1 pick for getting away from it all & it looks as if the Corps will be cutting the water back a little more.
I'm off this weekend, going to try & sneak out Sunday:cool:

Grumpy

donwinn
06-13-2008, 08:42 AM
Worrgamesguy,

First, Grumpy is not grumpy at all. He is a really nice guy. He made me a really good deal on a Winston 4wt rod that did not have the correct case. I was able to make a minor adjustment and the case works fine. I would certainly go by and visit with him if I could. He has forgotten more about fly fishing than I will ever know.

I grew up fishing small streams in middle Tennessee with my dad. He would fly fish for Red Eye and Bream in those small streams. I was grown when I started fishing for trout. I still remember how frustrated I was trying to learn on my own. I read lots of books and magazines, but you really need personal help as every river is a little different. I still remember, more years ago than I want to admit, watching an older gentlemen wadding down the river catching fish after fish. I had been there for an hour with no luck at all. Of course, I had no idea what flies to use. Finally, I got up the nerve to ask him how he was catching all those fish. He laughed and told me, it was not him, it was the fly. He gave me a couple of flies, and I caught my first trout that day. I wish I could thank that man today. He has no idea what a gift that truly was. Also, if I had only gone to a local fly shop, it would have saved me a lot of anguish.

Enough of that, send me a message at donw@genesco.com and we will talk about a fishing trip.

Byron Begley
06-13-2008, 11:48 AM
"Grumpy" makes a brief appearance in this month's issue of Flyfisherman... article on the Cumberland that should be good for business.

Uh Oh, Grumpy is famous. I hope he doesn't forget about his fans that he cultivated over decades.:biggrin:

Byron

Worrgamesguy
06-13-2008, 07:09 PM
That's cool, Don lives close to you & has offered to help, you're off to a good start.
I am the grouchy ol fart on West End, i do not like to advertise that fact on account of this being Byron's website, i always tell the folks headed his way to stop by LRO, for advice & the latest"top secret" flies & to just say hello to some great people.
I would tweak your leader a little for the Caney, 9' will work better & you'll hate to hear this, flourocarbon tippet(9.95) will work better on the sub surface patterns, of course, a shorter leader works fine for someone starting out, hopefully not as many tangles.
There's a little more to it than throwing a fly in the water & a fish jumping on it, somedays that works though:biggrin: keep in mind, it beat's work or going to classes & you'll always come home feeling better about time spent fishing.
I hope you get a chance to come by, hookup with Don & time on the water, with tese temps, a cool trout stream is my #1 pick for getting away from it all & it looks as if the Corps will be cutting the water back a little more.
I'm off this weekend, going to try & sneak out Sunday:cool:

Grumpy

I'll be coming to see you soon enough. I wrote up a report on today's fishing at the Caney, but I am anxious to go again even though today wasn't so good.

Worrgamesguy,

First, Grumpy is not grumpy at all. He is a really nice guy. He made me a really good deal on a Winston 4wt rod that did not have the correct case. I was able to make a minor adjustment and the case works fine. I would certainly go by and visit with him if I could. He has forgotten more about fly fishing than I will ever know.

I grew up fishing small streams in middle Tennessee with my dad. He would fly fish for Red Eye and Bream in those small streams. I was grown when I started fishing for trout. I still remember how frustrated I was trying to learn on my own. I read lots of books and magazines, but you really need personal help as every river is a little different. I still remember, more years ago than I want to admit, watching an older gentlemen wadding down the river catching fish after fish. I had been there for an hour with no luck at all. Of course, I had no idea what flies to use. Finally, I got up the nerve to ask him how he was catching all those fish. He laughed and told me, it was not him, it was the fly. He gave me a couple of flies, and I caught my first trout that day. I wish I could thank that man today. He has no idea what a gift that truly was. Also, if I had only gone to a local fly shop, it would have saved me a lot of anguish.

Enough of that, send me a message at donw@genesco.com and we will talk about a fishing trip.


Will get in touch with you soon, thanks!!! :smile:

Uh Oh, Grumpy is famous. I hope he doesn't forget about his fans that he cultivated over decades.:biggrin:

Byron

I'm sorry about all the questions and the like, but I'm a lost cause. I'm not meaning to draw business away, and I hope I didn't. I need all the advice I can get.

Grumpy
06-13-2008, 11:01 PM
Remember, LRO has a mail order business, just a click away;)

Famous, i'm nowhere ready for that nor do i think the world is ready for me:eek:

Grumpy

Worrgamesguy
06-14-2008, 12:36 AM
Remember, LRO has a mail order business, just a click away;)

Famous, i'm nowhere ready for that nor do i think the world is ready for me:eek:

Grumpy

Maybe if I were a little more serious about fly fishing.

Byron Begley
06-14-2008, 10:39 AM
Grumpy,

You need to read today's fishing report.:biggrin:

Byron

Grumpy
06-14-2008, 10:57 PM
Grumpy,

You need to read today's fishing report.:biggrin:

Byron


dadgum, we might ought to think about getting a 10'r for all that gear, of course, keep the Jack in your boat within easy reach though:biggrin:
I don't think you'll have a bit of trouble standing in it, just remember no waves & shallow water, especially if you're like me & prone to falling out of boats:redface:
As always, thanks for the kind words my friend.

Grumpy