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highpockets
07-22-2008, 05:43 PM
Ok, Iíve got a bad habit that I canít seem to break and iíll take any advice you can give. When I cast (Iím right-handed) the fly-line lands straight and the leader/tippet lands at a 90 degree angle to the fly-line pointing to the right. The only way I can make it stop is to either cast by pulling the rod across my chest with the loop of fly-line going by me on my left side or by loading the rod and really pushing it out there which makes for a bad presentation. Any ideas? Is this clear as mud?

waterwolf
07-22-2008, 06:27 PM
Do you use a braided loop?

Do you use a mono loop?

It could be several things, if you do not use either of the above then it has to do with the forward halt of your casting stroke being far to sudden and not gradual.

If you use the above, cut them off and nail knot straight to your line. They create a hinge which can cause this for some folks. Some folks do not have that issue, but some it really becomes a problem.

highpockets
07-23-2008, 12:03 AM
Mono loop tied to the flie line. So nail knot? Coming up; thanks!

waterwolf
07-23-2008, 06:47 AM
Mono loop tied to the flie line. So nail knot? Coming up; thanks!

Those mono loops, or anywhere you have a loop to loop connection can cause what you are experiencing. It creates a hinge and for some folks it is the sole source of what you describe.

Grumpy
07-23-2008, 07:18 AM
You can shorten the loop to help, i believe waterwolf got it with the halt or stopping the rod.

Grumpy

highpockets
07-23-2008, 09:19 AM
ok, I do that! I stop my forward cast in an instant. I thought that was correct. see what you can learn just by asking~!

waterwolf
07-23-2008, 12:48 PM
You can shorten the loop to help, i believe waterwolf got it with the halt or stopping the rod.

Grumpy

It isn't the loop itself per say, but the hinge created by the two loops intertwined which causes the problem.

ANd highpockets, it is supposed to be a stop of motion on the forward cast, but it has to be somewhat smooth or it shocks the rod.

highpockets
07-23-2008, 09:43 PM
Just to clarify the leader has a loop in it but I have it "tied" to the fly line so there's no loose connection that could hinge. I think yall nailed it; i'm spastic!

waterwolf
07-23-2008, 10:55 PM
Just to clarify the leader has a loop in it but I have it "tied" to the fly line so there's no loose connection that could hinge. I think yall nailed it; i'm spastic!


Cut the loop off the leader. Buy a tiefast knot tyer, and nail not directly to the fly line. You won't be disappointed.

highpockets
07-24-2008, 11:10 AM
will do. thanks bro

monktrout
07-25-2008, 12:27 PM
Highpockets, I have used nail knots, braided leaders, braided connector knots, nail knot mono with a loop, whipped loops in the fly line, and other line to leader connections I can't recall. To be honest I can't tell a lot of difference in how the leader lays out. Rigged correctly and cast decently all will work well. Different casting styles may do a little better with specific rigs. Find what works for you. The direct nail knot/leader is hard to beat. Hear the Elk is fishing well. Monk

highpockets
07-25-2008, 03:31 PM
I didn't have time to get to some casting practice last night. Getting ready for an elk hunt instead.

Yes, at the dam and at Ferris creek and down from both the fish are biting. My favorite spots are pretty much void of fish so I have concentrated on these other spots. The last time I went to my private spot there were dead fish in the water and I caught only two (pretty fair sized) but no more.

Catching most on a wooly (olive, black or combo) and a zebra suspended under small yellowish dry fly, elk hair caddis works too.

Got some 4 wt line in the mail yesterday so i'm gonna pu tit on my 8 foot rod and see what I can do with it. Never fished with anything below a 5 wt.

thanks so much for th ehelp guys! Good fishing and God Bless

DLFrost
07-28-2008, 02:52 AM
When I cast (Iím right-handed) the fly-line lands straight and the leader/tippet lands at a 90 degree angle to the fly-line pointing to the right. The only way I can make it stop is to either cast by pulling the rod across my chest with the loop of fly-line going by me on my left side or by loading the rod and really pushing it out there which makes for a bad presentation.
Another possible cause: You're twisting your wrist clockwise (thumb moves to the left) at the end of the cast. That's why cross-casting stops it--your wrist is already turned somewhat to allow delivery over the opposing shoulder. If casting with the whole forarm only (no wrist movement allowed) stops it you've found your culprit.

The good news is you're good to go on curve casting. ;)

Doug Frost

highpockets
07-28-2008, 10:26 AM
funny but I thought about that. I can cast over an obstacle like nobody's business.

Update, I got out in the yard last night with a friend that admitted he ahd the same problem at one time and tried what you all advised. By stopping my cast earlier and then moving the rod forward as the line was about to touch down it seemed that everything worked better. I didn't have nearly the lag or angle in the leader. I sort of went forward with my cast and then at about 12 oclock started slowing somewhat and then sort of "bowed" toward the front to keep the line from whipping at the end of the cast. It really seemed to work. Now I just need an excuse to go to the river!

Thanks so much for the advice; this was driving me nuts!