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BlueRaiderFan
10-25-2008, 03:52 PM
Went down to Betty's Island around 8:30 and fished a muddler for a while, but I think I was a couple of hours late. Started fishing a Orange EHC with a ZM Dropper and got a couple of good strikes. The second strike was really hard and my knot wasn't that good and my line broke. I forgot to bring extra leader and my leader was way too short, so I left. From now on, I will have two of everything with me. The guy to my right caught three nice ones while I was there. His presentation was better than mine, but I did get mine going well after a while. He was fishing streamers. The one hard strike that I got was on retrievel while my dry was under water, so it seemed that streamers was the way to go. I tried a wooly bugger (brown with some flash tinsel?) and didn't have any luck. A guy at the local shop said to go with Zebra Midges on a dead drift, but I had tried that as well and no luck. It seemed the one guy catching fish was fishing some sort of streamer, but I would htink the pro knows what he's talking about. There was a light rain with an overcast sky for a bit and the rest of the time it was just cloudy. The fish really came on in the rain, but there were jumpers all day until we left at 11:30. I didn't see a hatch, but there must have been one with all of the jumping and rising. Then it died off and I figured the party was over. Besides, I had let water get into my waders, so I was freezing cold (will bring a change of clothes next time as well).

flyguys
10-25-2008, 06:48 PM
I noticed you said that it was overcast. Just curious, will a trout comeup to the surface more readily on a overcast sky rather than a clear bluebird day. Just asking as I am new to the fly fishing for trout. Thanks!!

BlueRaiderFan
10-25-2008, 06:59 PM
I'm probably the worst fly fisherman on here! lol. I don't know if they will rise more on cloudy days. It seems that way to me. I do know for certain that they are more active soon after it starts raining or sprinkling.

fishingman62
10-25-2008, 07:32 PM
hey brf with the current going on you would need a beadhead or a weighted wolly bugger to get it down... try dead drifting the bugger then stripping it back ...or just try a stripping method .. there is no rule of thumb as to which way to strip.. just try differant retrives till you get a strike and remember dont stop stripping.... when you get a hit the fish will follow and grab the fly.... also try olive next time with a little crystal flash in it ...hope this helps a little bit for your next outing...i will be on the caney sunday morning probably start at bettys island in the am if its not to cold .... but will for sure be up by the dam fishing below the steps after generation ....if you want to hook up and fish sometime let me know im usally off sunday and wed ....

BlueRaiderFan
10-25-2008, 08:00 PM
Will do. I'll add you to my "Friends" (I wish I had known about that function sooner. I got a lot of invites in the begining, but forget who they were!) Yea, I was using brown with some crystal flash. They hit my dry orange EHC when I was stripping it in to recast (it was underwater at the time). Maybe try an orange streamer of some sort (Tellico?) or maybe an orange crackle back.

heyski
10-25-2008, 08:37 PM
I went down to Kirby lane this morning at 7am. The sky was overcast and no sun was hitting the water. I fished for about an 40 minutes with a red with silver wire #20 zebra midge. Not one single bite. I only saw 3 fish jump or rise the entire time. Then I tied on an all white woolly which usually works pretty well. I threw it for about 20 minutes without anything even looking at it. At 8:00am two things happened. I got the woolly stuck in some brush on a back cast and the TNT hot wings from last night started to kick in. Note to self, never eat the super spicy hot wings if you are going on the river the next morning. At that point I knew to call it what it was, a poor fishing experience. I decided to pack it up and head home. If I was in my 20s I would have stayed for another 3 hours and maybe would have caught 1 fish. I'm old enough now to know when to fold'em. Tomorrow is another day and I only have to get through 5 more days of work before it is Saturday again and time to hit the river.....this time without the hot wings in my gut.

BlueRaiderFan
10-25-2008, 09:42 PM
Heyski,

I would have done the same, but I was working on my cast tempo and the guy next to me seemed to be doing o.k, so I watched him as much as I could without freaking him out. I learned a lot today, so it was a good day for me...For instance; If you walk to the middle of the river, have a point directly behind you that tells you what azimuth you went out on because coming back a different way, when you can't see the bottom, can be scary. I took a lot of small steps coming back to the bank. Overcast skies makes for some tricky travel on the river. I also learned that proper tempo is key to a good cast. I also learned that mudlers etc should be fished around sunrise or sunset or while it's dark. I also learned that I may want to fly fish alone more because my fishing buddy always leaves too early and lastly: If too much water gets inside your waders, it can get cold in the Fall of the year.

FLYCASTER14
10-25-2008, 10:31 PM
I have alway's fished the White River this time of year but the water is so high that the fishing is really tough. I would like to try Caney Fork but know nothing about it. Where would be a good starting point for a newcomer? Where is the closest place to stay a night or two?

Grumpy
10-25-2008, 10:45 PM
We dead drifted midges all day on the bottom, couple of happy guys at the end of the day, talked to a couple of folks using buggers, they did OK.

Grumpy

Worrgamesguy
10-25-2008, 10:56 PM
I have alway's fished the White River this time of year but the water is so high that the fishing is really tough. I would like to try Caney Fork but know nothing about it. Where would be a good starting point for a newcomer? Where is the closest place to stay a night or two?

I would start under the dam or at Happy Hollow. Those places are always packed, but for a reason. Back in August I fished Happy Hollow and it was insane how many strikes I was getting. If I tried hard enough, I bet I could walk on the backs of all the brook trout to the other bank it was THAT full of brookies. They were fiesty, too.

There are a few lodges on the river, but those tend to be pricey and booked months in advance. There is a campground right below the dam, and if you don't mind camping then it's a great way to stay around the river. But the closest city is probably Lebanon, a 30 minute drive or so, if you're looking for hotels.

FLYCASTER14
10-25-2008, 11:10 PM
Thanks for the info. Always tough fishing a new area.

Tater
10-25-2008, 11:19 PM
I was at the Caney as well. I fished Happy Hollow from seven until the water got to high. I did pretty well dead drifting #18 bead head sow bugs up and across letting swinging them downstream. When the water starts to rise I did very well and usually do with sow bugs or scuds. I just patrol the shallows for trout that have moved in to feed on inverts that have been set free by the serge. It is awesome just throw the fly a little above the fish and you can see the fish turn fall back and open his mouth and WHAM fish on. They get real dumb in those few minutes when the water is rising.
I also did pretty well when the water was dropping with a #16 simulator dropping a #16 red copper john.
I usually do well when the trout are taking midges on or near the surface with an all black #20 WD40. I fish it across and downstream with a steady retrieve and when they hit they drill it.

Travis

heyski
10-26-2008, 01:14 AM
We dead drifted midges all day on the bottom...

Grumpy

Guess I should have tried the bead headed midge to begin with. Live and learn.

ttas67
10-26-2008, 01:18 AM
Tater - are you swinging the WD40 or just throwing straight out and lightly twitching it back? Also, are you adding any weight, or just fishing it in the film?

BlueRaiderFan
10-26-2008, 11:27 AM
I have alway's fished the White River this time of year but the water is so high that the fishing is really tough. I would like to try Caney Fork but know nothing about it. Where would be a good starting point for a newcomer? Where is the closest place to stay a night or two?


Here's what I would do: Stay in Nashville. Get a room at the holiday inn by Vanderbilt or by one of the cheaper place near the intersection of WHite Bridge Rd and Charlotte Ave (Not much there, but safe, cheaper and you can take a bus downtown or drive if you bring your car). You can visit the local fly shops (just google fly fishing nashville). There are three nice ones. Take your first day and visit the fly shops and go downtown that night and check out the honly tonks and clubs on Broadway and 2nd Ave. Stay away from the booze and head out before day light to the Caney. It takes about 45 minutes to get there from Nashville. It is wadable all year, but check the dam generation schedule at the TVA website: http://www.tva.gov/river/lakeinfo/index.htm (Your hotel should have wi fi so bring your laptop or you can call 800-238-2264 (toll-free) and select the number for the "Cumberland River System" and listen for the "Center Hill Dam" generation schedule. Don't get caught in the middle of the river when the dam is generating and it can take hours to get to places like Betty's Island and Happy Hollow. Just watch what the people around you are doing closely and you should be o.k. if you move when they do. I've been caught twice at Betty's Island and was o.k., but you never know. OR you could get a cabin rental right on the Caney. Just google "Caney Fork Cabin" and you should have several options. You can also get a small cabin at the Center Hill Marina and there is a nice little restautant there that floats on the water (WIfe and I love it at night). The nearest grocery store is in Gordonsville and it's small, but sufficient and the drive is really nice. It follows the river through Lancaster and meanders through the local hills. If you need any more help or just want a local contact in case you need help/info, let me know and I can send you my number. If you have the extra cash, there are some great local guides that offer nice drift boat and wading trips at average prices. Just a few thoughts. Hope it helps.

BlueRaiderFan
10-26-2008, 11:31 AM
Also, here is a link that has info on the different areas on the Caney with driving directions:

http://www.southeasternoutdoors.com/outdoors/paddling/canoe-caney-fork-river.html

Map (.pdf file):

http://www.southeasternoutdoors.com/public-lands/rivers/caney-fork/images/caney-fork-trout.pdf

Tater
10-26-2008, 02:44 PM
Tater - are you swinging the WD40 or just throwing straight out and lightly twitching it back? Also, are you adding any weight, or just fishing it in the film?

Yes swinging the fly is the best, a lot of the hits come when there is a slight to significant belly in the line. The fly is at or near the surface, so the take is very visual and aggressive. I usually use 5x tippet because it is a slightly stronger than 6x and the fish don't seem to mind.

Travis

FLYCASTER14
10-26-2008, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the detailed info. I'm doing the campground at Long Branch on 10/29 and 10/30. May be a little cold but I'm sure I've done worse. Nothing like camping in the area your fishing. Nashville sounds good but I'll save that for another time.

BlueRaiderFan
10-26-2008, 04:05 PM
Campgrounds are good too.:smile: