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eaze53
10-27-2008, 08:41 AM
Just a note here on the a trip a buddy and I made last weekend (Oct 19-20) to Cherokee. Although usually a Little River devotee, I decided to look upon "foreign" waters for this outing since my friend had made the trip from Oahu and was a deepwater salt guy. After taking a dissapointing look at the trickle of Pigeon river above Chimney Tops and fighting leaf traffic for hours, we made our way to Cherokee (at Ken Lea's suggestion, I might add). By dumb luck, we happened upon the opening weekend of the "Trophy" section of Oconoluftee. This is a 2 -1/2 mile, hand-tied artificial, catch & release section of the Oconoluftee that is stocked heavily. It requires an aditional $20 annual permit over and above the $7 daily tribal permit. We watched the evenutal winning team (from Davidson River Outfitters) perform Sunday in the Rumble in the Rododendron fishing tournament (they won by catching 112 fish during two, three-hour sessions) before finding a spot to drop in ourselves. Although water was low, the fishing was great. We caught about 30 Bows, Brooks and Browns fishing that evening and the next morning. It was a good trip and I recommend giving it a try. Make sure to get the permits, because they ARE checking. That weekend, not all places had the special permits, so you might have to look around. Big Don's, an outfitter there on the river, was well supplied. If you want a few laughs, you can check out the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1z6inPdsP8

Dave Ezell

bugg
10-27-2008, 09:16 AM
Glad ya'll had a good trip. I talked to a guy that said the Tribe stocked a bunch of nice fish, with 400+ that exceed 25" :eek: Looks like you might have found one of those from the looks of that video.

Jswitow
10-27-2008, 03:57 PM
I didn't know anything about a trophy section. Looks like you need a bigger net for the return trip!
Thanks,
John

Jswitow
10-27-2008, 04:04 PM
So is that another delayed harvest situation, or is that a permanent trophy section?
Thanks,
John

eaze53
10-27-2008, 07:05 PM
John,

It's a permanent catch & release - open year round.

Dave

Worrgamesguy
10-28-2008, 10:04 AM
That's my kind of fishing! Where was this at, exactly?

Jswitow
10-28-2008, 05:13 PM
Cherokee, NC Worrgamesguy. That is good news. I haven't fished in Cherokee in many years, I will have to get over to try the trophy section though!
Thanks EAZE53,
John

ChemEAngler
10-28-2008, 05:29 PM
Do you need a NC license to fish on reservation waters? Or does the daily tribal permit and the annual permit cover you?

Travis

eaze53
10-28-2008, 05:53 PM
That's my kind of fishing! Where was this at, exactly?

Access the trophy section from Big Cove Rd. It begins where the Parkway bridge crosses the road and extends 2-1/2 miles from that point (upstream)

Dave

dukeofurl
10-28-2008, 05:54 PM
My buddy and I only took 7th in the tourney but will be back for certain just to fish what a blast it was.
That whole you were in took a whole truck load of fish.
They were stacked in there like sardines.
Josh

pineman19
10-28-2008, 05:56 PM
So it's on Raven Fork, not the Oconoluftee?

eaze53
10-28-2008, 05:57 PM
Do you need a NC license to fish on reservation waters? Or does the daily tribal permit and the annual permit cover you?

Travis

No, no NC license is required. The daily permit and the annual trophy permit will cover.;)

Dave

eaze53
10-28-2008, 06:09 PM
So it's on Raven Fork, not the Oconoluftee?

It starts below the confluence of the two streams (most references site Ocono) and ends at or just above where the two come together.

i.e.,

"For the first time, a 2.2-mile stretch of trophy trout streams on the Cherokee reservation-managed Oconaluftee and Raven Fork rivers will be open to the general public."

"The designated Trophy Trout Catch and Release Fly-Fishing Only Area, starting at the Blue Ridge Parkway Bridge and ending just downstream of the River Valley Campground/Stoney Curve, will be marked with new fishing regulation signs posted at the start, end, and along sections of rivers that indicate regulations in effect."

Dave

Speckleman5
10-28-2008, 08:01 PM
I'm glad to see this as it will keep the pressure off the streams with fish that represent where we are...I had a guy ask me about the tribal waters yesterday as I was fishing Deep Creek in the snow.....if he only knew....

johnnyb
11-03-2008, 11:23 AM
So I'll need to get the tribal permit and pay 20 more dollars to fish that section? I can't wait to get out there. What was the hot fly for the day?

wynnsman
11-03-2008, 08:16 PM
Im friends with a guy that helped stock the trout in this section. He told me they stocked 2000 pounds of fish and 90% of them where over 20in. He said they will stock 3 times a year. But on the down side they arent feeding them as of yet but he said if this section is a sucsess they will start using feeders. And they are patroling this section very heavy and you will be checked by them. Probably more than once.

Carolina Boy
11-12-2008, 05:33 PM
No all you need is the annual permit which 20 bucks, and then the daily permit which is 7 bucks a day. I fished there on Vet day and the fish are getting smarter, because the river is getting pounded by anglers. The fish are huge, but the water is extremely low right now, hope we get some rain for all our Western NC streams. I talked to the biologist in charge there at the trophy strech and they are planning some cool stuff for the river, stay tuned!

johnnyb
11-13-2008, 10:25 AM
boy let me tell you they are out there checking. was out last weekend and got checked 4 out of for days. and the guy that was checking had such a bad attitude. Seemed like he was offended that we were fishing in his waters or something. More annoying than anything. Flashing blue lights at us and everything. good thing I had my permit in order along with a photo ID. Kind of stuff that will make people fish somewhere else.

ttas67
11-13-2008, 12:07 PM
I fished it the other day. we saw officials, they said "Hi" but didn't check us.

Fishing for the big guys was as technical as any other high-pressure trophy stream I've fished. My impression is that these fish have become quickly educated. I caught some of the rainbows, but was unable to land one of the golden trout. I think people are targeting them a little more (I was at least) and they have therefore gotten smarter than their rainbow counterpart.

Other than the larger fish, they've stocked some normal size fish in there as well. there is excellent fishing to be had for rainbows, browns, and brooks in the 12-16" range.

what's to keep these fish from running into the park?

Rog 1
11-13-2008, 01:36 PM
I know that some of the stockers from Gatlinburg have made their way upstream....will be interesting to see if this will happen above Cherokee or even into Straight Fork.

MtnMike
11-13-2008, 01:52 PM
I fished the trophy section last week. I landed what may be (in terms of size anyway) the fish of a lifetime. I did not get an accurate measurement of the fish, but lets just say it should have been measered in pounds rather than inches. It was a monster rainbow. I had a camera but didn't get a picture. A couple in my church had taken me over there to give it a try, so I did have witnesses! The fish are really stacked up in just a handful of runs. There were 3 of us and we had to share a run. We spread out enough to make it work without distrubing the water that another angler would be fishing. I was throwing to some fish in the slack water beside the run while my buddies wife fished the run from the opposite side of the stream and he was up in the head of the run in a really good spot to swing streamers and nymphs. I was fortunate that the largest fish I saw was the one that ate my fly. Later on I saw a couple of fish that were easy 6 inches longer and half again as wide. My buddy caught 2 large ones on streamers. I stuck one of the Palaminos but broke it off on the hook-set. It looked to be close to 20" and cleared water 4 times after I snapped it off. I talked to several guys who said the fish were getting tougher. One guy told me he had caught 60 the week before with 6 being true trophy status. The day I was there he said that he had landed 3 fish. We did catch several in the 12-14" range. While I enjoyed it, I will have to say it was simply too crowded for me. You better be prepared to share a single run with several anglers. Some will ask "permission", others want. It's not that there were that many anglers there it was simply that the fish are stacked up in specific stretches and if you want a shot at one that it where you better be.

Mike

Carolina Boy
11-13-2008, 01:59 PM
Yea I live over here and have fished it twice, talked to the biologist the other day and they are looking to expand the section another couple miles next year. the fish are wising up but if you spend some time out there you can pick up a few secrets to getting the big ones. I got more than my sahre this past Tuesday, weekends are definetly more crowded. This rain should spread em out a bit..maybe?

Worrgamesguy
11-13-2008, 04:03 PM
I fished it the other day. we saw officials, they said "Hi" but didn't check us.

Fishing for the big guys was as technical as any other high-pressure trophy stream I've fished. My impression is that these fish have become quickly educated. I caught some of the rainbows, but was unable to land one of the golden trout. I think people are targeting them a little more (I was at least) and they have therefore gotten smarter than their rainbow counterpart.

Other than the larger fish, they've stocked some normal size fish in there as well. there is excellent fishing to be had for rainbows, browns, and brooks in the 12-16" range.

what's to keep these fish from running into the park?

They stocked with goldens? NO WAY!!! Awesome! My family and I fish in the WV backcountry, and until now (I guess) it was the only place east of the Rockies with goldies. You think browns are spooky? Hah, golden trout put them to shame.

Carolina Boy
11-13-2008, 04:18 PM
There is huge riff between the park and the tribal whatever you want call it that is putting these fish in there. The section starts where the Luftte and the Raven fork connect, ie...once the rain comes and the fish wash down stream they can head right up the Luftte and into the park..Not a good thing going between the two sides from what the Cherokee Biologist told me.

Carolina Boy
11-13-2008, 04:21 PM
Hey Worrgamesguy, you ever fish the ELK, I was looking at the Elk Springs lodge up there in WVA, wanted to know what you thought about it if ya know! Thanks

ChemEAngler
11-13-2008, 04:58 PM
They stocked with goldens? NO WAY!!! Awesome! My family and I fish in the WV backcountry, and until now (I guess) it was the only place east of the Rockies with goldies. You think browns are spooky? Hah, golden trout put them to shame.

Trey,
These are not true Golden trout like you find out west. These are palomino trout. It is just a rainbow trout with a slight genetic deformity. They kind of remind me of what an albino trout would look like.

Travis

ttas67
11-13-2008, 07:31 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Travis. I've been calling them goldens and palominos. wasn't sure which was correct.

eaze53
11-15-2008, 01:11 PM
The golds are definitely spooky, not only from your perspective - seeing them in the water--but also their temperment toward artificials. A freind and I returned 11-4 and I got lucky casting a sz 14 bhpt into a pretty swift run to come up with this Golden. (See Avatar. I couldn't figure out how to insert a picture into this text). I was told their unusual color is a regressive gene trait. Also, a fishing friend in NJ told me they had caught similar "blue" rainbows. Anyone hear of these?:biggrin:

Brutus
01-26-2011, 03:09 PM
Just an update. I was in Cherokee last May 2010 and heard from a dependable person who works not far from the Raven that a disgrunted fishery employee killed off all the tribes big breeder fish after he was fired. So if the fishing is not quite as good as it was, this may be the reason. I am sure it will only be a temporary set back for their enterprise.

whitefeather
01-26-2011, 06:18 PM
Most of the trophy section is on the Raven's Fork above the confluence with the Luftee. I guess the tribe also designated the waters on the Big-O from the confluence down to the rez as part of the trophy section. That used to be park land under park rules.

They put some big brood fish in the river and they are migrating upstream on the Big-O to spawn in the fall (browns and brookies). Some of the rainbow brooders I saw released were about fifteen pounds or better. My friend Fred who is a tribal member took me to the hatchery a few years ago to see it. Amazing fish! Since then they have added on and made numerous improvements to the operation. They do raise some nice stockers and put a lot of big fish in the river. I caught a 12 pound brookie last fall that I thought was going to destroy my graphite fly rod. But luckily it didn't.

Whitefeather
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whitefeather
01-26-2011, 06:49 PM
By the way,

see my reply to ifish4wildtrout at:

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14786

for information on fishing for some big fish that came up from the rez into the park, if you decide not to fish tribal waters.

Thanks Cherokee for stocking the Big-O in the park with some big fish! You didn't think they would stay in tribal waters did you?

Some might not think it wise giving away these secrets, but they're your fish too, guys! Enjoy!

If you catch some, please post some pictures here for the rest of us to enjoy. Thanks! I have some but don't have permission to post attachments yet.

Whitefeather
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Jim Casada
01-26-2011, 06:53 PM
Whitefeather--Your passing mention of a portion of the trophy water on the Reservation having formerly been Park lands is accurate, although there's more to it than that. All of the short section of Luftee which is now tribal trophy water (from the Parkway bridge to the Raven Fork-Luftee confluence) was formerly Park water. So was a decent stretch above that, including the long, lovely run at the gated off bridge opposite the new school.
The "swap" in which the tribe got that land was nothing short of a huge boondoggle. They swapped sheer ridge faces in the middle of nowhere for lovely bottom land with a lot of archaeological significance. It is a splendid example of the Park giving in, big time, to political correctness.
Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge the Cherokees for a minute, but that doesn't make the swap right in my mind. To the tribe's considerable credit they have done great things with the fishery and have a real vision for the future.
As for fish moving up Luftee, it takes place not only in the fall but throughout the year. I caught hatchery fish as far up as Kephart Prong this summer.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

whitefeather
01-26-2011, 07:25 PM
Jim,

I was aware of the facts your presented as I spent a lot of time researching it before it all happened. I originally found out about the proposed swap from a friend of mine who owns a museum on the rez.

Since I am Cherokee (but not a tribal member) I was torn between the tribal claims and part of the park being taken away from me as a member of the public. The law suit was nearly thirty years in the offing I believe before it was finally settled. I certainly didn't agree with the final outcome because the tribe got way more than they were asking for. Originally they were only seeking the land that was originally the mill town of Raven's Fork, that bottom land to Big Cove Road. They actually moved Big Cove Road over from where it was originally to build the school as I am sure you are aware.

I was shocked when they ended up with the portion of the Luftee that they have now and all of the Raven's Fork River. I spent countless hours fishing those very waters and still get a knot in my stomach every time I think about. I guess the good news is that those trophy fish will soon be dominant in the rest of the Luftee on up, including the Bradley Fork which has already occurred, although I'm not sure if the park has enough "food" to feed them. Perhaps that is another ecological boo boo waiting to happen.

The whole thrust behind the trophy section idea was to bring in more money to the tribal coffers to help replace that which was being lost on the casino and its expansion. The Cherokee are now seriously in debt because of it, the first time in their history as a nation. They certainly have learned to horse trade with the politicians, having come out on this one smelling like a rose.


Whitefeather
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501
01-27-2011, 01:02 AM
Cherokee is not the same as it was 20-30 years ago. Now everytime I go thru there I notice more and more businesses closed and abandoned. They have a casino now. Is this the center of tourist business now ?

Lee

whitefeather
01-27-2011, 02:45 AM
501,

Yes, there are a lot of businesses that have closed in the rez due to the down turn of the rest of the US economy and loss of tourist dollars. The business in the casino was also in a slump and was losing a lot of tourist gambler money. One of the things they did, much to detriment of Cherokee society, was make the serving of alcohol legal in the casino to gain back some of the tourists, but I don't know how well that has turned out so far. One thing most people don't know about the people living on the rez is that each registered citizen or family gets an entitlement allotment divided up of all the money that is made by the casino, and all the proprietor taxes and other fees collected from businesses operated on the reservation. This would include those trophy water fees and daily fishing permit fees charged to non-native/non-resident fisherman to fish in tribal waters.

Whitefeather
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Brutus
01-27-2011, 07:20 PM
Thanks Whitefeather. The Big O is very nice up from the confluence. I was wondering why the section you mentioned from the confluence to the reservation as not under park authority and was part of the trophy section (red on the Enterprise fishing map). I have plans to fish the trophy section for the first time this May. Any remarks on where to enter the water at that might place me further away from other fishermen? I will avoid the weekend and fish it midweek. I thought I would tie up some heavey yellow wooly worms or perhaps some yellow "czech" like nymphs to bounce across the bottom. My go to in the Smokies is always a bead head ptail but I wasn't sure how good it would be in those wider stream sections . Any suggestions for that section of the Big O and Lower Raven?

Knothead
01-27-2011, 07:59 PM
Need some help here. Did I read somewhere or did I imagine that the trophy fee went up or was going up to $75 plus the daily fee?

501
01-27-2011, 09:40 PM
Whitefeather

The alcohol served you mentioned is interesting. I seem to recall that a former
chief of what would become the Eastern Band established some type of no alcohol law with fairly serious consequences for violations.

whitefeather
01-28-2011, 01:08 AM
Brutus, Knothead, 501,

Brutus:

see my reply to ifish4wildtrout at:

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/for...ad.php?t=14786 (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14786)

for information on fishing for some big fish that came up from the rez into the park, if you decide not to fish tribal waters.

Also, using the same directions, turn off 441 at the bridge east of the Oconaluftee Visitor Center about 1/4 mile down the road toward the park interior. Turn right, cross the bridge. Instead of turning in the parking lot at job corp center, stay on the road, go past the job corp center. You will see another bridge that is closed off from the other side with posts in the road. The road used to connect to Big Cove Road. This bridge crosses the Raven's Fork and there is a nice run from this point down to the confluence of the Luftee. It is quieter water as the river meanders across the valley. This is enterprise water now. I have always used weighted golden stones for browns in this run with good success in the colder months and one April when it still felt like winter. I have not fished it during May at all! Don't know about the "goldens". They were not in the Raven Fork the last time I fished this section. You'll just have to experiment or inquire of others.

Knothead,

I had not heard of the trophy section fee going up to $75. I hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me. The Cherokee are looking for increased revenues due to the loss of tourist dollars as I mentioned previously in this post.

501,

Laws are made to be broken as someone once said. The Cherokee are no exception in back thinking things when their wallets are empty. As I understand from Doc Abrams, the council approved alcohol being sold in the casino for tourists, but I don't know about any serving rules for any Cherokee people visiting or working at the casino. I don't think there are any other establishments inside the rez where alcohol is sold, as of last October, but that could have changed.

Whitefeather
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old tom
01-28-2011, 03:36 PM
Alcohol sales - Sale of alcoholic beverages is permitted only in the casino. Nowhere else on the reservation is alcohol legally sold. For you out of staters, the state of NC owns all liquor stores and the casino, just like everyone else, must buy from one of those stores. Swain (Bryson City) and Jackson (Sylva) Counties split those sales. They are also the closest places to buy beer or wine from a grocery or convenience store.

Tribal stipends - Each full blood Cherokee on the rolls is getting +/- $8,000 per year from the casino operations. A pro-rata portion is paid down to, I believe, those 1/16 full blood. Children's payments go into a trust until they are 18 and have completed high school or a GED. Without a diploma, they must wait until they are 21 to get their check.

$75 trophy section fee - Either on this board or the SEFFF there was a recent thread about the increase in the fee. My recollection is it definitely went up on January 1. I've never fished in tribal waters and don't intend to. It's just a personal preference - not my cup of tea.

whitefeather
01-28-2011, 05:23 PM
The annual fee for the trophy section is still listed at $20 at the tribal website. Maybe it has not been updated yet.

http://www.cherokee-nc.com/index.php?page=260 (http://www.cherokee-nc.com/index.php?page=260)

$75 + $7 per day for two 10 day trips a year. :eek: I'll pass!. Rather keep getting my NC non-resident license for trout fishing. Better bargain!

I'll catch their trophy trout when they come up stream into the park in the Luftee and even get to keep a couple (smaller ones) for the fryin' pan.

Tribe will probably try to claim those waters next.

Whitefeather
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whitefeather
01-28-2011, 07:12 PM
Update on fees,

From SEFFF, I found this post reply on the fee increases:

"At last weeks flyshow in Ashville I talked to several of the men from Cherokee at their booth. The way they explained it to me was like this: on Dec 1st the yearly license fee will be $75 per year. The license is good for one year from date of purchase, so, if you bought a new license on Nov.30 for $25 it would last until the following November 1st."

Guess it's a done deal!:frown:

Whitefeather
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Knothead
01-31-2011, 12:12 PM
1/16 full blood
Dang, I'm only 1/64th.

whitefeather
01-31-2011, 08:33 PM
Dang, I'm only 1/64th.

Don't about "dang it!" I qualified for membership to the Eastern Band because my grandfather and great grandfather were listed on the roles of the census of 1832, or 1839, whichever it was. Anyway, I just didn't know about it until a year after enrollement was closed. My grandmother was full blood and my grandfather a half blood Scotts/Irish Cherokee.

Then I could have been a native resident of the qualla boundary and not had to pay the fees for fishing, not to mention I would have received the yearly stipen. :frown: Oh well! Thinks work out the way they work for a reason, I've always been told.

Whitefeather
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glecleir
02-01-2011, 03:09 PM
Hi All,

I wanted to try and figure out what the heck was going on with the fees for fishing Enterprise waters and I think I managed to get some valuable information. I called the information line on the Cherokee, NC website and I spoke to a woman who helped to clarify things a bit. So it appears the rates have indeed gone up. The following info is what I understand the new fee structure to be:

Permit to fish the trophy catch and release section:
1-3 day permit = 25.00 dollars
Annual permit = 75.00 dollars

Regular trout permit (required in conjunction with the trophy permit if you want to fish the trophy waters)
1 day=10.00 dollars
2 day= 17.00
3 day= 27.00
5 day= 47.00 (this value doesn't make sense to me, but is what she said)
Annual license is 250.00

So if you wanted to fish for 1 day in the trophy section it would be 25.00+10.00 for 35.00 total...

Hope I helped to clarify things and not make it worse!

Crockett
02-01-2011, 03:51 PM
So one day cost more than the yearly fee used to be?

glecleir
02-01-2011, 04:18 PM
Yes, that is what I understand it to be... definitely a steep price increase, but substantially cheaper than other places I know of stocked with big fish.

kytroutbummin
02-09-2011, 11:40 PM
Last time we were there it was crazy crowded from the brige all the way up, but if you went downstream from the bridge around the bend there wasnt a soul. Theres even a nice little trail that follows the stream. Bring your camera, the elk herd comes to the big field by the upper parking lot a ton. Every night when we came out of the stream the elk were in the field by the cars. I was less than 50yds from 2 sparring bulls, pretty neat stuff.
Chris Fisher
P.S. I won't post it on here, but the fish are starting to get educated davidson river style, e-mail kytroutbum@insightbb.com and i'll tell you the magic fly.

whitefeather
02-11-2011, 02:59 PM
Last time we were there it was crazy crowded from the brige all the way up, but if you went downstream from the bridge around the bend there wasnt a soul. Theres even a nice little trail that follows the stream. Bring your camera, the elk herd comes to the big field by the upper parking lot a ton. Every night when we came out of the stream the elk were in the field by the cars. I was less than 50yds from 2 sparring bulls, pretty neat stuff.
Chris Fisher
P.S. I won't post it on here, but the fish are starting to get educated davidson river style, e-mail kytroutbum@insightbb.com and i'll tell you the magic fly.

I believe that is the Oconaluftee Trail in GSMNP that runs along the river up to the visitor center from the park side of the Blue Ridge Parkway bridge. I think the trail is still part of the park but the Cherokee own the river up to the confluence of the Raven's Fork.

Snippet from the park trail map:

http://www.myphotos.yahoo.com/s/20yakcy0osufod3npfca

Cherokee Trophy waters:

http://www.myphotos.yahoo.com/s/20yakcy0osufomnhwwax

WRN
02-13-2011, 09:25 AM
Maybe our Native American friends got educated on how Tennessee doubled out of state fees a few years ago.

whitefeather
02-13-2011, 08:14 PM
Maybe our Native American friends got educated on how Tennessee doubled out of state fees a few years ago.

Could be! I hope NC doesn't follow suit!

Randy Ratliff
02-14-2011, 12:51 PM
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Knothead
02-15-2011, 08:51 AM
Maybe our Native American friends got educated on how Tennessee doubled out of state fees a few years ago.

Not the best of situations. Remember that Tennessee hadn't raised fees for a number of years. Rather than raising it a bit each year or two, they had to do a quantum leap to keep up. My license and trout stamp plus migatory bird permit cost $48. That is cheap if I want a good supply of fresh fish. Price fish by the pound at the local grocery. Also, call some of the local golf courses and check on their greens fees. Some courses in Chattanooga are over $40 for 18 holes on Saturday. I think you will find that fishing is still a bargain.

tennswede
02-15-2011, 06:54 PM
John,

You are absolutely right no one want to pay anything but then they wonder why there's lack of maintenance, services, etc, etc. It goes for any revenue stream. It's a lot more cool to complain about taxes, and fees ad naseam but never come up with a solution to the problem. You can't have services if there's no revenue. Simple as that.

I do think, out of state is what's hurting people and it probably hurt Tennessee in the long run. People bring in a lot of revenue when they come here to fish. If it gets too expensive people go somewhere else or they stay home. But for in state, I agree, it's not that bad.

whitefeather
02-15-2011, 10:33 PM
I either buy a NC non-resident license or a Tenn non-resident license, depending on the area I want to fish. I pay as much for a ten-day non-resident in Tenn as I do a full year in NC. Most of my fishing is in the park so I can do that with the NC license. So I generally get in a couple of two week trips a year on it. Haven't really done too much Tenn fishing except for the Tellico watershed, but I plan on doing the South Holston and Clinch on my next trips to Tennessee.

I have really only "scraped the surface" on fishing in the park so there's alot more water to cover.

Fishing Tenn waters is a trade off though for the increase in license fees, I save that amount on fuel not having to pull the travel trailer around (Waynesville) the mountain range to get to the NC side of the park. We like Smokemont Campground quite a bit, especially before May-October season begins! Hardly a soul around. We were there for a full week a couple of years ago before any one else showed up.

501
02-17-2011, 10:42 PM
Whitefeather,
Agree with you hardily on liking Smokemont. Didn't use to think much of it until we discovered the wooded sites on the loop across Bradley Fork. Now we frequently stay there when we are on that side of the Smokies.

Lee