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duckypaddler
12-03-2008, 11:42 PM
This has been a great week so far! The rain over the weekend was just enough to get the Little River flowing at a minimal boatable flow. So monday morning started off with a run from the Sinks waterfall to below the Elbow (2.6 mile above the Y or Wye to be correct). On the way home I stopped at LRO to get some line for my new set up (Sage DS2 5wt 9' & Ross reel). They were more than helpful as usual and didn't even charge me for backing. I would have to wait till Tuesday to try it out.

Tuesday and Wednesday I fished Norris before work. I arrived at the weir dam to find Bill from LRO, who helped me the day before with my line. Tuesday was slower than the typical slaughter than has been happening lately. One nice brown broke my 5X line 5 feet from me. I also had the hardest hit I had ever seen but he took my bait & ran. Another lady fishing on the weir caught this nice rainbow than her boyfriend or wife brought over so I could take a pic before it was released.
http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=48

Today was better for me with the biggest Brown I have ever caught. 18.5 inches left him in the slot limit and to be caught again. It was a nice fight! Here are a couple pics.

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=50

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=51

I may just have to go back tomorrow as this sport has become addictive!
Good luck fishing!
James Locke

flydoc
12-04-2008, 01:20 PM
Those are some great fish. Congrats.

Just a friendly reminder for all of us (me included) that if we are going to release a fish it's best to do so with minimal handling. The key to survival for a fish is their "slime" layer. When we put fish on the ground or rocks for a photo that slime layer is damaged. There have been lots and lots of studies that conclusively show that handling a fish out of the water DRASTICALLY reduces its survival as compared to simply removing the hook, perhaps snapping a quick photo, and gently releasing them back into the water. After they've been out of the water for more than about 30 seconds and have had their slime layer damaged their survival goes way down, even if it looks like they swam away in good shape.

Thanks for sharing and look forward to seeing you on the water! I've been very pleased with the Clinch this year and hope the slots continue to have the desired effect.

Grannyknot
12-04-2008, 02:08 PM
Not to be a downer, but I saw something dissapointing at the Clinch last Sunday that I have been thinking about a lot this week. A guy waded up pretty close to me and yelled "are you keeping fish?" I said no. He pulled a stringer out of the water with 4-5 good fish on it and said "do you want these?". I said that I had no way of transporting them home and advised him to take them himself. He said "I can't because my wife doesn't know I was out fishing". I thought to my self, why did you keep a single fish in the first place?

He waded on toward the bank and encountered a friend of mine, who looked at the fish and said that one was a rather large brook trout. The thing that bothered me most of all was that when I glanced at the fish, one of them looked to be in the 14-20 slot.

I am a catch & release guy, so this affects me a little different than most people. I don't have a problem with people who choose to keep fish, and I understand that harvesting fish helps control their population, I just don't care for waste.

How does everyone handle a situation like this?

ttas67
12-04-2008, 02:55 PM
Here's a clinch river brown I caught on 12/3 ......



http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r159/ttas67/1203081451.jpg

Green Weenie
12-04-2008, 03:24 PM
Now you know that I let you hold that fish for the picture. Don't mislead these nice people.

ChemEAngler
12-04-2008, 03:27 PM
Not to be a downer, but I saw something dissapointing at the Clinch last Sunday that I have been thinking about a lot this week. A guy waded up pretty close to me and yelled "are you keeping fish?" I said no. He pulled a stringer out of the water with 4-5 good fish on it and said "do you want these?". I said that I had no way of transporting them home and advised him to take them himself. He said "I can't because my wife doesn't know I was out fishing". I thought to my self, why did you keep a single fish in the first place?

He waded on toward the bank and encountered a friend of mine, who looked at the fish and said that one was a rather large brook trout. The thing that bothered me most of all was that when I glanced at the fish, one of them looked to be in the 14-20 slot.

I am a catch & release guy, so this affects me a little different than most people. I don't have a problem with people who choose to keep fish, and I understand that harvesting fish helps control their population, I just don't care for waste.

How does everyone handle a situation like this?

Grannyknot,
That is quite frustrating, and I don't know how I would have handled it. Some people just deeply believe that it totally defeats the purpose to go fishing without keeping something. Growing up, I would go to the Clinch with my dad, uncle, and neighbor every Saturday. They would all keep a limit each trip because they thought they had to. Eventually I asked my dad why he kept fish every trip if we still have bags of fish in the fridge from previous trips. Shortly after that, he became much more selective in his harvesting and only kept trout when he had an empty freezer.

Some guys in the catch-n-keep crowd honestly think that their fish are not in the slot. A lot of these bait guys don't carry tapes with them to verify that they are legal, so they are just eyeballing it. Most people don't realize how long a 20" fish is.

ChemEAngler
12-04-2008, 03:33 PM
Here's a clinch river brown I caught on 12/3 ......



http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r159/ttas67/1203081451.jpg

Trevor,

I can't see it on my computer from here at work, but I am sure it is a good one.

I am planning on heading up that way tomorrow. You up for some feeeshin'. Shoot me an email if you are interested.

knxtravis80 at gmail.com

Travis

GrouseMan77
12-04-2008, 04:27 PM
I spend quite a bit of time on the Clinch. I have no problem with anyone keeping fish as long as they are going about in legally. I have seen everything you can think of except any authority figure. I have NEVER been asked by anyone to see a license or trout stamp.

I volunteered for one of the brookie restoration projects in the park a while back. There were a few TWRA guys there and one of them asked what I thought of the slot limit after finding out where I lived. I explained to him that I felt it was a joke because no one seemed to pay any attention to it. He assured me that his people were down there checking. Again, I have NEVER seen anyone down there. The signs explaining the slot limit are tiny.

duckypaddler
12-04-2008, 05:01 PM
Here's a clinch river brown I caught on 12/3 ......



http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r159/ttas67/1203081451.jpg

You got me beat with that one! Love the jaws

ttas67
12-04-2008, 07:43 PM
grouseman77 - I'm of the same opinion as you. I've seen people (particularly at the weir), keeping fish in the slot. the signs for the slot limit are not noticeable at all. I've fished the clinch all my life and have only been checked or even seen TWRA there ONCE, and that was over 15 years ago.

duckypaddler
12-04-2008, 09:16 PM
Thanks for the info about stressing the fish. I am new to this sport, and had been already looking for a net. I will follow your advice in the future. Thanks for saying it nicely to the newby.

As for harvesting fish, I do take some. I carry a tape and strictly adhere to the slot limit. I fished Norris 3 days this week. I took 3 on Tuesday (Yummy)! Took 5 more small ones Wed. And releases all of them today. I am probably harvesting more heavily right now as this is the first year I'm catching lots of fish but none are wasted.

I have never seen the game warden or been checked, but they are out there. I know of 2 occassions they were out there in the last 2 weeks. Once was apparently and angry fisherman who called on a little boy who took a trophy trout from next to where this guy had been fishing all day. The boy was checked, it was legal and they went on there way. I have also seen people with fish in the slot limit. I wouldn't want to be them when the game warden shows up.

Also heard report of trophy brookies taken last weekend. One guy up there swore some were almost 30 inches. I would have to see evidence of that.

Happy Fishing!
James

Worrgamesguy
12-04-2008, 10:38 PM
Thanks for the info about stressing the fish. I am new to this sport, and had been already looking for a net. I will follow your advice in the future. Thanks for saying it nicely to the newby.

As for harvesting fish, I do take some. I carry a tape and strictly adhere to the slot limit. I fished Norris 3 days this week. I took 3 on Tuesday (Yummy)! Took 5 more small ones Wed. And releases all of them today. I am probably harvesting more heavily right now as this is the first year I'm catching lots of fish but none are wasted.

I have never seen the game warden or been checked, but they are out there. I know of 2 occassions they were out there in the last 2 weeks. Once was apparently and angry fisherman who called on a little boy who took a trophy trout from next to where this guy had been fishing all day. The boy was checked, it was legal and they went on there way. I have also seen people with fish in the slot limit. I wouldn't want to be them when the game warden shows up.

Also heard report of trophy brookies taken last weekend. One guy up there swore some were almost 30 inches. I would have to see evidence of that.

Happy Fishing!
James

I'm gonna call a bluff on that brookie... Brookies don't get long, they get fat. If it's true, holy mess, but it probably isn't. I've been fly fishing since June and I've learned a lot. Make sure you wet your hands before handling trout, but it's alright to hold them as you did as long as it is briefly and you don't squeeze the **** out of them (literally). I'm not against keeping trout, but I will never keep another one because I hate cleaning them, and their ribs are a pain in the rear to eat around. The taste varies too much, also. The "wild" trout have pinker meat, and stockers have white meat.

The TWRA has absolutely pounded the Caney lately, sometime in September I went two Sundays in a row and got checked both days. One time, this guy had a nice brown hooked on 7X tippet and he fought it for about 15 minutes, TWRA came up, netted it for him, measured it at 17", let the guy take a picture, and released it. I had a chuckle at that. But they are tightening up and I like it, it keeps all the rednecks keeping everything they catch off the river.

flynut
12-05-2008, 01:11 AM
I'll second the statement that they've been out on the Caney. It's been a little while since I've been checked, but it's been enough that I wouldn't hit the water w/o a license.

How's this for a solution if you see someone taking a fish they shouldn't be taking: Wade over to the shore where this guy is inevitably standing, whip out your cell phone or digital camera, say 'hey, I'll snap a shot of you w/ that fish', snap the photo, get the guys e-mail so you can 'send it to him', and then cc the TWRA...

unrealistic...even when dealing w/ rednecks...but it'd be cool if it worked...

GrouseMan77
12-05-2008, 09:22 AM
ttas67,

Were you at CR Outfitters on Wednesday?

MadisonBoats
12-05-2008, 11:16 AM
Guys,
As far as policing the stock limits - I have the assumption that it is not economically feasible for TVA to do this at the moment with the budget constraints. I have had some serious debates with some of the TVA Corporate Management about this and other field issues.

One issue is; most trout fisherman - do abide the the rules and have their licenses. Anymore, there a very few violators and giving out citations costs TVA Money. The fines may be a couple hundred dollars, but the end up tying up resource officers time in court, etc that is more valuable. Also, it does create a burden on the court system of Anderson County that is struggling with a meth crisis.

In contrast; the summer boating season nets a significant amount of citation dollars and benefits the fund pool significantly. Not sure about next year...

ttas67
12-05-2008, 11:22 AM
grouseman - yes.

buzzmcmanus
12-05-2008, 03:59 PM
How does everyone handle a situation like this?

Call the poachers hotline, 1-800-831-1174. The number should be programed into your cell phone. Give them a description of the guy, and if you can get a vehicle description and a license # give them that. Right now it's also hunting season, so what TWRA has their hands full checking both hunters and fishermen.

Buzz

MadisonBoats
12-06-2008, 11:38 AM
buzzmcmanus (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/member.php?u=2617)

Thanks for adding the poaching number to the post.

Grannyknot
12-08-2008, 11:26 AM
grouseman77 - I'm of the same opinion as you. I've seen people (particularly at the weir), keeping fish in the slot. the signs for the slot limit are not noticeable at all. I've fished the clinch all my life and have only been checked or even seen TWRA there ONCE, and that was over 15 years ago.

I agree that the signs are not noticeable. Education on the regulations is minimal at best. I would guess that some people don't even know the proper way to measure a fish. I am pretty sure when measuring most fish, you are to pinch the tips of the caudal fin together.

Green Weenie
12-08-2008, 12:41 PM
This has been a great week so far! The rain over the weekend was just enough to get the Little River flowing at a minimal boatable flow. So monday morning started off with a run from the Sinks waterfall to below the Elbow (2.6 mile above the Y or Wye to be correct). On the way home I stopped at LRO to get some line for my new set up (Sage DS2 5wt 9' & Ross reel). They were more than helpful as usual and didn't even charge me for backing. I would have to wait till Tuesday to try it out.

Tuesday and Wednesday I fished Norris before work. I arrived at the weir dam to find Bill from LRO, who helped me the day before with my line. Tuesday was slower than the typical slaughter than has been happening lately. One nice brown broke my 5X line 5 feet from me. I also had the hardest hit I had ever seen but he took my bait & ran. Another lady fishing on the weir caught this nice rainbow than her boyfriend or wife brought over so I could take a pic before it was released.
http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=48

Today was better for me with the biggest Brown I have ever caught. 18.5 inches left him in the slot limit and to be caught again. It was a nice fight! Here are a couple pics.

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=50

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=51

I may just have to go back tomorrow as this sport has become addictive!
Good luck fishing!
James Locke
ducky,

May I ask what that is around your neck? I've been puzzling at the picture you posted and, I have to say, I am perplexed.

My guess is you are wearing some type of motorcycle gear (?).

duckypaddler
12-08-2008, 08:38 PM
I split my dry pants open when I fell on my *** on the trophy section in Cherokee, so until the company fixes or replaces them I have been wearing my kayaking drysuit on cold days. It has rubber gaskets at wrists, ancles, and neck (what you see in the picture) to keep you dry while kayaking, swimming, or in this case wading and fishing.

James

Green Weenie
12-09-2008, 08:59 AM
Wow! I don't know anything about kayaking, but I've always wanted to go. Didn't know such apparel even existed. Seems ideal for fishing.

Fishermansfly
12-10-2008, 03:59 AM
When I saw the pics I said the same thing...Then I saw the thread was 3 pages long and I skimmed through to see you asking the same thing that I initially thought.

Yea, those yak tops are an interesting peice of apparel. I don't know how they compare to wearing an actual dry suit (scuba) but the neck peice gets real old real quick! It's a solid rubber band that cuts off circulation to your head, basically! So aside from coming up to quick, you already feel pretty fuzzy!

However it's better than the pinch you get from a vulcanized rubber suit!

~Brett

duckypaddler
12-10-2008, 10:32 PM
You must of tries a drysuit with a new neck gasket that needed to be stretched. When you first wear one it messes with you (kind of like wearing a turtle neck) but after a few times you aren't even consious of it.

It came in handy today when I swam on Elkmont at 4.9 feet or 2000 or so cfs!

Have a good day
James

jmelrod
12-11-2008, 09:35 PM
Brett, do you work for APD?