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BlueRaiderFan
01-08-2009, 10:49 PM
What's the difference?

Paula Begley
01-08-2009, 11:14 PM
Capes and Saddles are both used for creating dry flies.

Saddles are the long feathers that come from the back of the neck and are of similar size. The cape feathers come from the lower and sides of the neck and are more varied in sizes. Of course, I may be totally wrong...but that's my understanding, someone correct me if I'm drinking the Kool-aid.

Paula

Tarheelflyfishing
01-08-2009, 11:16 PM
Your not doing the Kool-Aid...that's exactly the difference.:biggrin:

BlueRaiderFan
01-09-2009, 12:45 AM
Paula,

Thanks...This stuff can get confusing.

Dwayne

Gerry Romer
01-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Capes and Saddles are both used for creating dry flies.

Saddles are the long feathers that come from the back of the neck and are of similar size. The cape feathers come from the lower and sides of the neck and are more varied in sizes. Of course, I may be totally wrong...but that's my understanding, someone correct me if I'm drinking the Kool-aid.

Paula

Okay now I'm really confused. You mean Batman, Superman and all the rest were really wearing saddles :confused:

I think I need to completely re-think this fly tying business. I mean, if all of my useful analogies for keeping my materials straight are totally erroneous....


Now what do I do?!

:redface:

rgp759
01-09-2009, 04:40 PM
Okay...let's try for a bit more of an in-depth definition here. Capes and/or neck hackle are from the neck of the bird. If you look at a full cape, you can see how the feather size varies from the small feathers at the top of the cape to larger feathers at the bottom. If you try to visualize how this looks on the bird, the small feathers are around the head, which is obviously cut away when the bird is skinned to make the cape, and the feathers get larger as you move down the neck.

Saddle hackle is from the back and sides of the bird. Visualize the bird from the side, and the area where you would put a saddle on it if it were a horse. This is the "saddle" of the bird, and where the hackle gets its name from. Typically, a saddle hackle patch will not have as many different sizes of feathers as a neck, but they will be longer. The longer length is ideal for palmered hackle flies, or some bushy dry flies if the feathers are dry fly quality. Lower quality saddle hackles with more web are typically used for streamer patterns.

Paula.....What was in that kool-aid and where do I get some?? :biggrin:

Bob

Plunker
01-09-2009, 06:57 PM
If you try to visualize how this looks on the bird, the small feathers are around the head, which is obviously cut away when the bird is skinned to make the cape, and the feathers get larger as you move down the neck.


What do you mean cut and skinned!?!?:eek:
You mean all this time the birds were not willingly donating the feathers:eek:

and we call ourselves sportsmen...what about catch and release? good enough for the fish but not for the birds?:eek: wait 'til I call PETA

:p:biggrin:

Tarheelflyfishing
01-09-2009, 07:04 PM
HA...PETA...they're already ticked off about all the fly fisherman and fisherman on the streams...I'm sorry, but to me PETA just makes me want to catch more fish...:biggrin:

Plunker
01-09-2009, 07:09 PM
HA...PETA...they're already ticked off about all the fly fisherman and fisherman on the streams...I'm sorry, but to me PETA just makes me want to catch more fish...:biggrin:

Wonder what they would say about the calico I caught while practicing my cast on the lawn?:cool:

Ohhh you mean I should have cut the hook off of that practice fly?:p

Tarheelflyfishing
01-09-2009, 07:13 PM
What fly did the cat take...:biggrin::p

Plunker
01-09-2009, 07:21 PM
Seriously....he pounced out of the bush I was casting under, snagged it, got claws caught in the chennile and was into 25 yards of backing before I got him loose from it...think I needed to set the drag a little heavier?:cool:

Tarheelflyfishing
01-09-2009, 07:31 PM
Too funny...cat probably thought it was a mouse or something. Hey I sympathize w/ the cat, I caught myself out in Montana in June. I was digging around in a my vest, and a fly that somehow found it's way into my vest got me:eek:. Had to go to the ER at Madison River Valley Hospital where they filmed the part movie the Patriot w/ Steven Seagal. Fun stuff...memories, memories, memories....:redface::biggrin: So far the biggest thing I've ever caught on a fly rod is well...myself...

BlueRaiderFan
01-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Okay...let's try for a bit more of an in-depth definition here. Capes and/or neck hackle are from the neck of the bird. If you look at a full cape, you can see how the feather size varies from the small feathers at the top of the cape to larger feathers at the bottom. If you try to visualize how this looks on the bird, the small feathers are around the head, which is obviously cut away when the bird is skinned to make the cape, and the feathers get larger as you move down the neck.

Saddle hackle is from the back and sides of the bird. Visualize the bird from the side, and the area where you would put a saddle on it if it were a horse. This is the "saddle" of the bird, and where the hackle gets its name from. Typically, a saddle hackle patch will not have as many different sizes of feathers as a neck, but they will be longer. The longer length is ideal for palmered hackle flies, or some bushy dry flies if the feathers are dry fly quality. Lower quality saddle hackles with more web are typically used for streamer patterns.

Paula.....What was in that kool-aid and where do I get some?? :biggrin:

Bob


Thanks for the help. That explains a lot. Hopefully I can get the KGB...I mean the IRS off my back this year and get to a tying class.

Tarheelflyfishing
01-09-2009, 08:06 PM
Thanks for the help. That explains a lot. Hopefully I can get the KGB...I mean the IRS off my back this year and get to a tying class.


Funny stuff...:biggrin::p