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knucklehead
01-29-2009, 01:15 AM
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm228/knucklehead1979/sohobrownandothers004.jpg Strange happenings at the s. holston today(1-20). Raining, strong wind(10-20mph) and......a ridiculous hatch! Not sure what was hatching but managed to "catch" a couple via foul-hook(#20 bwo). the one pictured was the closest to their mouth i could get. The other 2 I hooked much closer to their tail. I think I was just slow on the uptake and ended up kind of snagging a couple of decent browns. Just below the weir(sp?) dam, fish were slurping, slapping and leaping for bugs. All in the rain and howling wind. eventually one other fisher person joined me on the dam. and of course, the not-so-friendly wildlife officer. he wasn't mean or rude or anything, just not a friendly type like I've encountered before. all in all, a very impressive scene. fish rising left and right so close you could kick them. wow....cold rain, miserable wind. bugs got to be tough...

Waterborn
01-29-2009, 09:19 AM
Could've been some olives, midges, or blackflies, maybe some little caddis though not sure on there hatch - any number of winter fare but the foul weather can keep emerging bugs stuck in the surface longer or knock the ones that make it back into the water...keeps the food around concentrated longer and sounds like they were on the emergers ...that's one reason why i love foul winter fishing another it keeps the crowds of the water...awesome to experience, good to see someone's getting out there to enjoy it!

Green Weenie
01-29-2009, 09:36 AM
I'm no expert, but I would say that you have experienced the daily blackfly hatch at the weir dam. It is unbelievable. The fish just stack up there waiting on these bugs to come through the grates.....and they always do. These fish can be tough to catch because they see so very many flies at the weir. They can afford to be very picky when it comes to which ones they actually put in their mouth. Believe me, it can be quite maddening watching those fish feed right at your feet and then reject your offering.

cockeye valdez
01-29-2009, 10:40 AM
I've experienced the same action on the so.ho. usually it is either a black fly (26) or b.w.o. ( 24) that has been taken just at the surface. try a #18-#20 b.w.o. with gray c.d.c. and tie on a dropper about 16 inches. You'll foul hook more and unless you are an absolute purist, it'll be fun.
cockeye valdez

milligan trout degree
01-29-2009, 11:18 AM
the stripper midge in rediculously tiny sizes will catch fish rising to black flies, as well as a midge hook wrapped in black thread and coated with head cement or a black fly tied with small black vinyl ribbing and some peacock herl around the head. drop these flies off of a small bwo emerger of your choice. its tedious fishing, but its effective.

asummitt
01-29-2009, 02:15 PM
The best days I've had on the South Holston have been during downpours.

canerod
01-29-2009, 05:06 PM
Not trying to start an argument but I doubt there are any black flies in the S Holston. If you have ever fished up north you know what black flies are. True black flies are of the order Diptera /family simulium. What most call black flies on the S Holston are true midges. Order diptera family chironomidae. Real black flies need blood to complete their life cycle. If y'all want to call those little black bugs black flies so be it but???

Fishermansfly
01-29-2009, 10:09 PM
No argument need started..The Black Flies that appear on the South Holston are more commonly known as LBF's or Little Black Flies. It is a rather common hatch on this river as well as the Holston River, the Clinch River, and the Watauga River. Not sure on the Caney Fork but I'm sure Byron or Plateau Angler could give some insight. I've personally photographed these lil guys after retrieving stomach contents of several fish on the South Holston. Hugh Hartsell would be more punctual on this conversation as it relates to the Holston River, as he spent the last year attempting to "match the hatch" appropriately for one of his clients.

The little black fly is similar in shape to a common house fly scaled down to 1/4 of the size. The midge your refering too also habits many of our streams and tailwaters. Chironomidae have a much longer abdomen wings and much longer legs. This fly has the appearance of a mosquito which is why it can be a rather favorable "go to" pattern for this bug.

References,
Chironomidae-http://www.troutnut.com/specimen/680

LBF-http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/IN157

And if all that doesn't work here's a picture from the one I pumped on the South Holston
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n209/fishermansfly/DSC00060.jpg

Black Flies are also rather common in the smokies if I'm not mistaken, at least in the heat of the summer my arms and legs feel the pain of this nasty lil "Buffalo Knat's" More commonly known on the Tellico River as "Dog D*&% Knats"

~Brett

knucklehead
01-30-2009, 12:01 AM
I am not ashamed to admit that I enjoy foul-hooked fishing. Figured they were something small so I had an 18 or a 20 bwo.....with a strike indicator. Couldn't tell the fly from rain drops on the water. couple of strikes on the indicator. chances are, you could've tied on a woolybugger, slashed it through the feast and probably snagged a fish or two. seriously thought about it. cool picture of the gnat/fly. never seen anything like that frenzy in east tn. Strange, but my two best fishing days were both in the pouring rain....I need a better raincoat.

cockeye valdez
01-30-2009, 11:02 AM
I can settle arguement, stop going to the So.Ho. it is too technical, go the clinch. Probably will not catch any fish but you won't be in my way.

Waterborn
01-30-2009, 11:38 AM
I started to think the opposite - mostly what people though were midges, were mainly blackflies or whatever the non biting form we've got around here...the larvae are everywhere in the tailwaters and often confused for midges - but hey, really its all the same for a patten so no point splitting to many hairs - zebras, zebras, zebras - it'll cover your midge and your blackfly larvae. Though, emerging - its interesting to note that blackflies bubble up and do the caddis thing so for what thats worth...so thier dry profile is different if you'd really want to make seperate patterns - sometimes that part does make a difference on finicky fish... heck when in doubt, chuck a streamer go for the monster thats trying to eat the little guys sipping the micro bugs :p

stuart
02-02-2009, 01:34 AM
I think "black fly" is a generic term of that iritating little bitty black "bug" that comes off on the soho that you can bearly see. I don't think it is any kind of Latin genus species type thing. I have never understood all the technical stuff. If it looks like a mayfly throw a PT if it looks like a little black fly of a thing use a zebra or something. I try to keep it simple, if not you will loose me! But simple catches fish!

STU

milligan trout degree
02-02-2009, 03:13 PM
K.I.S.S. method.....i like it

Tedious
02-02-2009, 04:05 PM
Cockeye Valdez - Are you a Semper Fi guy?

tennswede
02-02-2009, 10:47 PM
Anthony, Glad to see you on here. Would love to hear some of your SoHostories.

Waterborn
02-03-2009, 01:16 AM
I agree - fish don't speak latin, (nor the labels on our gear for that matter ) and subscribing to the KISS is my goto 99% of the time...sometimes though, theres that frustrating 1% when working a particular fish, that some distinctions in bugology or adapting a different technique can hook that fish where my general goto methods had previously failed...

cockeye valdez
02-04-2009, 09:58 AM
No Tedious, I'm not "Semper Fi" I'm just a guy that is addicted to the So.Ho. I fish there 45-50 times a year. I, like most everyone have had occasion to think that I have figured it out. After all, if you go thru all the seasons and have sucess, same approach should work next season. NOT SO ! This winter has been slower for me. The last 2 months not been the same as last year. Hey thats why the fish growing. I take the sport seriously, perhaps too much.
I still say, "the drive is too far and the fishing is too technical, go to the Clinch and I'll let you know when the fishin is easy on the So.Ho.

stuart
02-07-2009, 10:08 PM
You mean fish can't read? Ok I guess I can leave the Orvis hat at the house then! CV the soho has been whipping my butt this winter too don't feel bad.
STU

cockeye valdez
02-09-2009, 10:40 AM
:cool:
well, what a difference 60 degree days make !
everyone who owns a fly rod was in, around, beside thrashing the so.ho. At one point I looked up and I thought I saw the "three horsemen" coming up the river, one on each side with one in the middle. For a second, I wasn't sure if they were fishing or trying to shock up a fish. the water temp was 42 early but I expect the number of anlers body temp. raised it a few degrees.
T.V.A. generated til 11 a.m. thank you so much for that Kilgore, its a long way to Kingston, maybe their trying to wash out the fly ash.
was a hatch for a couple hours (1-3) then the fish decided to take a nap. left me with my butt kicked. maybe 10 fish.

You mean fish can't read? Ok I guess I can leave the Orvis hat at the house then! CV the soho has been whipping my butt this winter too don't feel bad.
STU

stuart
02-11-2009, 09:52 PM
I was there saturday this last week too many people I spent about all day hiding and looking for a place to fish. I wish I had stayed home. If there are many trip like that this month not sure if I will renew my Tenn. Lic. or not his year. I just don't like crowds.

STU