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knucklehead
04-09-2009, 11:36 PM
Has anybody seen rattlers yet? Still seems a bit early, but one never knows. I have a strange fascination with them. absolutely love them. Saw 4 last year. Can take anyone to the exact spot, almost. just wondering.

kytroutman
04-10-2009, 09:28 AM
Your name befits you ;-). I think they are unique but the more distance between them and me is my comfort zone.

Fishermansfly
04-10-2009, 01:43 PM
I only kid by saying this, but I see where you got your board name! LMAO! I don't mind them and actually like seeing them, but I keep my distance.

~Brett

hedge
04-10-2009, 02:12 PM
I don't like snakes, any snakes. Gives me chills just thinking about them.
My only snake encounter in the park was last summer at Metcalf. Was walking down a path toward the water and there he was, right in the middle of the path. Don't know if he even saw me because I was gone back to the car and off to another fishing spot. Didn't ask him what species he was.

Worrgamesguy
04-10-2009, 04:46 PM
I don't like snakes, any snakes. Gives me chills just thinking about them.
My only snake encounter in the park was last summer at Metcalf. Was walking down a path toward the water and there he was, right in the middle of the path. Don't know if he even saw me because I was gone back to the car and off to another fishing spot. Didn't ask him what species he was.

:p

I had the stuff scared out of me fishing in the Cranberry backcountry in WV. I was rock hopping (boulder hopping it seemed) and heard rattling and couldn't tell where it was coming from, so I turned around real slow and ran and jumped so fast I almost fell down the rocks to the water. I was SO scared.

knucklehead
04-11-2009, 12:19 AM
Snakes and fishing tend to go hand in hand (hopefully not literally, though). I always consider the day extra good with fish and a shnake. garter snakes and caddis flies are out along the river in sevierville. I picked up a garter the other day and it gave me a present: a fresh frog. gotta love the serpent's defensive tactics.

milligan trout degree
04-11-2009, 12:29 AM
I've seen three small water snakes this year fishing the same stream. two of which fell out of a tree. just something else to think about while climbing through the rhodie.

Lumber_Jack
04-13-2009, 10:58 AM
They are out I am sure, but you would have to stumble on one right now to see him. They are going to be very sluggish due to the cool temps we are having. The large amount of rain will also limit the amount of distance they will have to travel for water. I wouldnt spend too much time trying to find one until after the 4th of July. They will be much more active then. Believe me as a Forester, I see more than I care too.

Carolina Boy
04-13-2009, 11:18 AM
It's strange I count myself very luck because all my time in the park and I have never come across one, although I am sure they were there, bears elk, deer, racoons, boars, beavers, otters, tubers, but no snakes. Course I kinda avoid big creek in the summer cuz I have heard it's really snaky? I do not like snakes so i'll stop talkin before I jink myself!

Treecatcher2
04-13-2009, 11:19 AM
Wife and dog found a snake in the front foyer this weekend. Not a rattler but she hates snakes almost as much as I do. It came up from the ground through the space around the radiator pipe. Spent saterday sealing spaces aorund radiator pipes. Looks like it might have been a good day to fish but I wasn't so lucky -there is a radiator in each room of my house.

Hal M
04-13-2009, 12:00 PM
The snake I can see doe not bother me. It's the one I don't that concerns me!!

Hal M

BlueRaiderFan
04-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Rattlers will give you plenty of warning if you listen for them, so when on the trail, be quiet and listen for rattlers and make noise for the bears:biggrin:

Rog 1
04-13-2009, 04:59 PM
Had fished for years in the park without seeing the first snake...then the end of one summer I was up from Florida with my best friend while in HS...grandfather took us up Tremont a couple of miles past the parking lot and while pushing through some high grass my buddy uttered the word "snake" in such a way I knew it was trouble...turns out I had walked over a 3-4' rattler stretched out across the trail...on the way back down found a 3' copperhead in the exact same spot...found another copperhead the next day crossing the gravel road above the institute....after that we fished somewheres else the rest of that week.

jmelrod
04-13-2009, 09:16 PM
I have yet to encounter a rattler in the park. I have seen quite a few copperheads in the park and Cherokee NF.

flyguys
04-13-2009, 09:18 PM
Had fished for years in the park without seeing the first snake...then the end of one summer I was up from Florida with my best friend while in HS...grandfather took us up Tremont a couple of miles past the parking lot and while pushing through some high grass my buddy uttered the word "snake" in such a way I knew it was trouble...turns out I had walked over a 3-4' rattler stretched out across the trail...on the way back down found a 3' copperhead in the exact same spot...found another copperhead the next day crossing the gravel road above the institute....after that we fished somewheres else the rest of that week.

I never have had any encounters with a rattlesnake in west tn. Watch out for the copperheads though, they can be very agressive and MEAN! How does the temperment of a rattlesnake compare to that of a copperhead? flyguys

knucklehead
04-13-2009, 11:11 PM
The few coppers I've encountered in the park were all rather docile. Watchful but calm, never aggressive. Even the rattlers had a calm and sedate demeanor. The first rattler I found rattled like crazy but never made an aggressive posture. Just sat off the trail coiled and rattling. The only truly offended snakes I've seen were northern water snakes and black rat snakes. there was a rat snake that nearly broke my camera last year while I was trying to photo it. But snakes are like people in that they don't all behave the same. I've been chased by cottonmouths in west tn and drifted right by them in a boat without any kind of acknowledgment.

Mark_Cathey
04-14-2009, 01:48 AM
At least there are no water moccasins in the park. They are particularly agressive, whereas rattlers and coppers are mostly just defensive. Still think the Tennessee Titans should have been the "Copperheads" or at least SOMETHING mean with Tennessee roots. What the heck is a Titan anyway? Sorry for rambling. Its 2 am.

ruggerfly
04-14-2009, 10:02 AM
Titan= think Greek mythology & deities.

Although you may have asked more in jest (especially with reference to how it relates to TN).

flyred06
04-14-2009, 10:10 AM
The only rattler I ever saw in the park was on the Abrams falls trail. He was about 2' long. My buddy had just stepped on past a smaller snake when I saw this one. My friend just took the end of his rod and tapped on the snake till it moved off the trail and we stepped by it. The snake was not aggressive at all. I have came across many water snakes. I actually stood in the water with ones head at my boot while I fished one day. Snakes and spiders are the two things that I don't like. I like to call the snake "the beady eyed hand puppet of satan".

Kytroutbum
04-14-2009, 03:37 PM
As a retired Biology/ Science Teacher and amatuer Herpetologist, just remember to admire from a distance and don't touch. Around 70% of bites come when people try to handle or kill one. I would venture that most of the other 30% have occurred from being stepped on or grabbed while walking, climbing etc. I've seen enough pictures of tissue damage to not handle one unnecessarily unless it were a danger to others, children etc. Reminder- They are protected in the park.

Rog 1
04-14-2009, 03:50 PM
My uncle tells the story of a park "touron" who came upon a snake and broke off a limb from a nearby tree to kill the serpent....this was witnesses by a park ranger who wrote him a pair of citations....one for killing the snake and one for breaking off the limb to bludgeon it with.

Mark_Cathey
04-14-2009, 06:41 PM
Thanks Rugger. I actually know what a Titan is (roughly) but yeah, you're right- it was the whole Tennessee connection I didn't get.

And anytime a snake squares off against a tourist, I'll always be pullin for the snake.......

BlueRaiderFan
04-14-2009, 08:22 PM
As a retired Biology/ Science Teacher and amatuer Herpetologist, just remember to admire from a distance and don't touch. Around 70% of bites come when people try to handle or kill one. I would venture that most of the other 30% have occurred from being stepped on or grabbed while walking, climbing etc. I've seen enough pictures of tissue damage to not handle one unnecessarily unless it were a danger to others, children etc. Reminder- They are protected in the park.


Many animals that depend on water retention in the Summer will urinate if you just move them and then become dehydrated. This probably isn't an issue for any animals in the park, but you never know. I try and walk around them if possible.

Kytroutbum
04-14-2009, 09:04 PM
"remember to admire from a distance and don't touch."

Crockett
04-15-2009, 01:45 AM
I ran into a pretty big one last year that was drinking from a spring on the Bote mountain trail near where the finley cane trail intersects. He rattled when I snapped a pic of him and then went into a hole right at the spring probably a good hunting spot. No I wasn't fishing this day just on a leisurely jaunt to Spence field and back lol. Here are some pics I took:

http://gosmokies.knoxnews.com/profiles/blogs/1060157:BlogPost:22161

adirondack46r
04-21-2009, 09:04 PM
Has anybody seen rattlers yet? Still seems a bit early, but one never knows. I have a strange fascination with them. absolutely love them. Saw 4 last year. Can take anyone to the exact spot, almost. just wondering.

Hey Knuck,

I'll take you up on that. I have been fishing the mountains for almost 5 years. No rattlers yet - and I watch for them. Drop me an email and we'll take a hike. adirondack46r@yahoo.com.

46r