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David Knapp
05-04-2009, 04:47 PM
So much for what I though was going to be a good summer on the Caney Fork. After fishing on Friday I had high expectations but now I just hope that there are a few fish left and something for them to eat. Current forecast releases are showing over 20000 cfs for the next few days...:eek: Hope the large fish at least find a way to ride it out. All those fresh stockers are going to become striper and brown trout bait though I fear...

ChemEAngler
05-04-2009, 05:10 PM
:eek:
Whoa! 20,000 CFS, that is rolling. I expect the same on the Clinch before all is said and done. My guess is that before the week is over, the Clinch is either sluicing or has the flood gates open.

Norris is already at summer pool according to the TVA website. And the water level is continuing to rise. Only 14' from the top of the flood gates.

I wonder how that will affect the sulfur hatch.

BlueRaiderFan
05-04-2009, 05:11 PM
Yeah, I hope they stop generating by Mid May. I may have to go to the Duck. I need to tie some flies and get ready.

irfishing
05-04-2009, 07:06 PM
Planning to go to the Duck? Check the TVA website for release information. At over 8000 cfs it is really roaring so don't go. The stocking last week was probably a waste of resources. Those fish will probably end up a long, long way downstream.
Anyway last year's talk of rationing water, etc due to low lake level should not be a topic of discussion this year. Current level is just over a foot below the top of the flood gate.

MadisonBoats
05-04-2009, 07:16 PM
:eek:
I expect the same on the Clinch before all is said and done. My guess is that before the week is over, the Clinch is either sluicing or has the flood gates open.

Norris is already at summer pool according to the TVA website. And the water level is continuing to rise. Only 14' from the top of the flood gates.
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You are probably right! I checked some of the rain gauges in areas upstream and it as insane...

Daily Precipitation for May 2009 (inches) Gage ID - Location (Operator) 5/1 (Oneida, TN COE)
Fri 5/2 - 0.59 Inches
Sat 5/3 - 1.29 Inches
Sun - 3.70 Inches
Monthly - 5.58 Inches :frown:

David Knapp
05-04-2009, 09:13 PM
Yeah, I hope they stop generating by Mid May. I may have to go to the Duck. I need to tie some flies and get ready.

Man, at this rate they'll be generating all summer. If they quit by sometime in June I'll be happy...:frown:

Worrgamesguy
05-04-2009, 09:27 PM
When I was driving back from Elkmont and I passed the Caney it was over it's banks, and almost onto the pasture. I knew it would be A LONG time before I would be able to fish it again.

BlueRaiderFan
05-04-2009, 10:08 PM
Man, at this rate they'll be generating all summer. If they quit by sometime in June I'll be happy...:frown:

They get you addicted and then pull the rug out from under ya. I guess I could go to the Clinch again.:eek:

BlueRaiderFan
05-04-2009, 10:31 PM
Planning to go to the Duck? Check the TVA website for release information. At over 8000 cfs it is really roaring so don't go. The stocking last week was probably a waste of resources. Those fish will probably end up a long, long way downstream.
Anyway last year's talk of rationing water, etc due to low lake level should not be a topic of discussion this year. Current level is just over a foot below the top of the flood gate.

Yep, I always check the generation schedule. If they stop generating at all, it will be better than the Caney.:frown:

flynut
05-05-2009, 12:09 AM
I don't see them backing off on the generation on the Caney anytime soon...I guess it's time to focus on bass and panfish...

BlueRaiderFan
05-05-2009, 01:26 PM
I'm doing some research on hatches in Middle Tennessee and then I'm going to start tying.

Skipjack
05-05-2009, 08:38 PM
Guys I too wonder if I will ever get to fish the Caney this year-----so I found the cure for my longing to wade and fish for trout on the Caney---fly fishing for super size bream in one the local lakes in my home town. I use an 8 ft. Pelican boat with a Minn Kota trolling motor I bought at Academy Sports two years ago to get in those small and out of the way places on the lake. I have been having a blast catching bream in the 12 to 14 oz. range on some of the local lakes. I have caught most of the larger ones on a black and red nat in the nymph style. Most have come from the edge of weed beds about 2 to 3 ft. deep---making tight loop cast in tiny openings and watching my indicator for a super fight using 5X leader-----by the way I started using the Reconnect Leader by Scientific Angler, I really like this leader because it locks and unlocks the line to the leader with a simple twist, and the best part is you can use the connector as your indicator---really nice because it float high in the water. The past 3 weeks have been great for me with the fly rod.

gutshot
05-05-2009, 08:50 PM
23,500.

The river is 10 feet higher right now than with 6,900 cfs, 2 generators. WOW! And the lake is still rising.....

David Knapp
05-05-2009, 08:58 PM
Flood watch posted for the area tomorrow...if we get even a part of the rain they're forecasting things will get interesting...

Worrgamesguy
05-05-2009, 10:34 PM
Anyone want to toss in money to buy thousands of tarps to cover the Caney from rain? If it means getting on the water faster, I'm down :frown:

Grumpy
05-06-2009, 09:10 AM
ahh guys, July will be here before you know it:eek: I have a list of #'s just begging to be called when the water shut's off, course, i'll have to take a week or two to figure it out;)

Grumpy

David Knapp
05-06-2009, 11:04 AM
ahh guys, July will be here before you know it:eek: I have a list of #'s just begging to be called when the water shut's off, course, i'll have to take a week or two to figure it out;)

Grumpy

Grumpy, if you need help figuring it out let me know...:rolleyes::biggrin:

Grumpy
05-06-2009, 11:25 AM
As o f yesterday, they had 5 of the 8 floodgates open:eek:

Grumpy

David Knapp
05-06-2009, 12:47 PM
Grumpy, based on past events, what do you think this will do to the fishery?

Jswitow
05-06-2009, 03:33 PM
Sorry to talk about the Clinch rather than the Caney, Plateau. I think it was 1998 that we had loads of rain. They blasted the Clinch for ~ 3 weeks at 27,000 + cfs. The Sulphurs were gone after that, not sure that they have come back to pre 98 numbers even now. I hope that doesn't happen this season. Should be right in the middle of the Sulphur hatch, though I have not been out to fish it. Any of you having a good time with the Sulphurs prior to the rain?
Best,
John

Flat Fly n
05-06-2009, 04:26 PM
John,
I am still not convinced that the lack of sulphurs on the Clinch for a few years back in 1998 were all from the big flows for several weeks. I am not a card carrying engineer but all flow is not turbulent, and especially in rivers it is usually laminar, therefore slower the lower you go to the bottom. Were the insects unable to hatch and get to the surface with that much water going, and therefore died, my money is on this and not stream bottom disruption.

During that time I and my son found chlorine and phosphates from the canoe lauch site at Norris Dam to below Miller's Island. (Science project with kits supplied by AmeriCorp) IF you remember for a long time the grass/moss/algea was thick from the dam down, but then for about 1-2 years looked like a freestone stream. It was around this time of the big flows as well. Where there was once HEAVY sowbug and scud populations above the weir, they dropped off and now are just starting to come back as is the greenery. Now unfortuneatly, we have Didymo replacing alot of the algea.

My theory on the Caney that as Grumpy kind of eludes to is that it won't make a difference, just bigger fish when the generators shut off, and from the sounds of it, the Caney could use a break from all the pressure in the past few years.

Grumpy
05-06-2009, 11:57 PM
I'm a little worried because that's a lot of warmwater being dumped in, hopefully, there's enough coming through the generators to cool it, then again, we're looking at a 18' rise of nothing but warmwater:frown:

Fingers crossed & knocking on wood!

Grumpy

Mike_Anderson
05-07-2009, 07:42 AM
I think the major problem the Caney faces in floods like this one is the silt that's left behind on the river bottom that will smother out the aquatic insects. No food, no decent Trout. Pretty sure the Bow population will be hurt pretty badly but the Browns should be fine and fatter then ever. This is another prime reason the Brown Trout need better regulation then is currently in place.

Got Striper?
Mike

gutshot
05-07-2009, 06:22 PM
9 of next 10 days forecast more rain.......

Has anyone heard how the leaks in the dam are holding up?

BlueRaiderFan
05-07-2009, 09:14 PM
All dams in Middle Tennessee are generating 24/7, 2 generators.

Stonefly
05-07-2009, 10:33 PM
We had a speaker at our club meeting from TVA, said that Caney is one major rain event (4-5 inches I think he said) from wiping out the trout. My understanding was that the danger was during warm months, and would continue as long as the dam repairs are underway, ie the next few years

sb

Grumpy
05-08-2009, 07:36 AM
We had a speaker at our club meeting from TVA, said that Caney is one major rain event (4-5 inches I think he said) from wiping out the trout. My understanding was that the danger was during warm months, and would continue as long as the dam repairs are underway, ie the next few years

sb

&we're working on our 2nd rainfall:mad: i agree with Mike, the browns have a chance, not sure about the bows or specks though.

Grumpy

Jswitow
05-08-2009, 09:53 PM
I know what you mean about the slower water in the bottom. I wonder if maybe just the shear volume of water during the peak of the Sulphur hatch made it nearly impossible for the bugs to get to the surface, or if they were successful getting out maybe the eggs never made it to the bottom. In either case, lost. All I know is they were all but non-existent for 4-5 years, and it followed the flooding.
Best,
John

Fishermansfly
05-08-2009, 11:55 PM
I too was wondering about the seepage problems. USCORPS stated, which is still on their website, that they were going to keep the levels at 630 ft above sea level. It appears as if there 19' above that mark and climbing. 649.02ft, I was wondering if this was making for some nervous folks downstream. They say 630 ft is between 5 to 10 ft of normal pool.

I hope the fish and the river system pull through. I was convinces that the next state record brookie would come from that river system. They did exceptionally well in that river. Absolutely beautiful strain of brook, almost as good as something you would catch in the upper elevation of the park. Just alot longer and fatter!

Rainfall doesn't make things look too hot!

~Brett

Stonefly
05-09-2009, 11:43 AM
My bad, Center Hill is a Corps dam, not a TVA. Speaker was from the Corps.
I realized my error shortly after shutting down my computer, but haven't had a chance to correct myself until now.

sb

David Knapp
05-09-2009, 03:42 PM
The one good thing about all this water is that it is early enough in the season that the temperatures should not be lethal to trout, at least not yet... All the rain we got this morning is definitely not helping the situation unfortunately...

gutshot
05-09-2009, 04:26 PM
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn96/stillinscrubs3/5-9-20093-21-34PM.png

Lake rising and CSFs going down. I assume the Csfs does not count water through the flood gates i.e. warmer water.

So more warm water over the dam?

Worrgamesguy
05-09-2009, 09:49 PM
It should be pretty cool because it's taken from the bottom of the lake as well as the rain drop temperatures. But those turbines could warm it up...

Grumpy
05-11-2009, 09:00 AM
Actually, the water comes from a midway point, around 618 i believe(?) & all the water that's entered since has been warmer.
Whether or not it can mix & cool will be the question, lake on the rise again:mad:

Grumpy