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eku_brookie_biologist
05-18-2009, 08:49 PM
Has anyone ever had any luck catching Brook Trout in Kentucky? If so where and when? I am currently undertaking a project where i will analyze Kentucky's brook trout populations and then compare these populations to native Virginia populations to determine limiting factors for KY's brook trout populations. I am very interested in hearing first hand experiences with KY brook trout from any who have fishing in KY.

swipper 74
05-18-2009, 09:06 PM
Boy, I'd like to know some info on this too. Making a trip to Kentucky Dam Village State Resort Park in July for the wife's family reunion, and I'll NEED to make time for myself and would love to do some fishing for brookies. I've dabbled with trying to get some info and have come up pretty empty handed, so any info would be appreciated! Good luck on your study by the way!

kytroutman
05-18-2009, 09:20 PM
eku, there are only four (unless it has been changed by KDFW) brook trout streams maintained in KY. These are all C&R and are Dog Fork and Parched Corn Creek in Wolfe County, Shillalah Creek that runs from the Cumberland Gap National Park in Bell County and Poor Fork in Letcher County.

eku_brookie_biologist
05-18-2009, 09:46 PM
eku, there are only four (unless it has been changed by KDFW) brook trout streams maintained in KY. These are all C&R and are Dog Fork and Parched Corn Creek in Wolfe County, Shillalah Creek that runs from the Cumberland Gap National Park in Bell County and Poor Fork in Letcher County.


I have been on all of these streams, but i was wondering if anyone has actually caught any brook trout in KY and when and where?

There is 6 streams in KY that have brookies, 4 of which you named are fishable. The other two are Bad Branch and Martin's Fork of the Cumberland.

Kytroutbum
05-18-2009, 11:29 PM
I had been fishing Swift Camp and decided one day to explore Parched Corn due to the rumors of Brookies I heard. I caught one Brookie approximately 5-6 inches on Parched Corn fishing down from the ridge dividing it from Chimmney Top's drainage. It took an Alexandra wet fly swung under a limestone ledge just above one of the first areas used for camping. I stopped at that point it was the weekend and there were people coming into the area and setting up camp going down stream. With the stream being so small, being somewhat calloused growing up with Brookies in Michigan and my interest has been directed on the other side of the divide, I just never felt an interest in pursuing downstream from that point.

This was approximately 10-12 years ago. It was 2 years after the 1st planting of the Brown Trout fingerlings in Chimmney Top, if that helps give you a date. Fisheries People and Bluegrass TU did the planting of those Browns.

I have heard RUMORS that the Parched Corn fish were placed there by s "Bucket Biologist" many years ago. The fish were supposed to have come from Michigan. I've heard this RUMOR several places going back to the 1970's when I moved from Michigan and did grad work at Morehead. I vaguely remember Dr. Les Meade saying something along that line in one of his Field Ichthyology classes I was in at Morehead. I think the name of the "bucket Biologist" was mentioned but it escapes me. The nature of the dialogue and students with local ties gave me some degree of creditability to that rumor.

I am a retired seconday Science/ Biology Teacher with several Ichythology and Limnology classes. I'm available if you want me to take you to that area and help out some.

Randall Sale
the Kytroutbum

kytroutman
05-19-2009, 08:31 AM
eku, I specified the four as "maintained" since the other two are basically inaccessible and I'm not sure the KDFW is still monitoring them. I have caught brookies in Shillalah Creek just outside the park boundaries at Cumberland Gap and must be accessed from private property. I have also fished the streams in Wolfe County after a trip to Red River Gorge but never caught brookies, only warpaints. I gave up on those streams after fighting the copperheads.

Mac
05-19-2009, 10:59 AM
I did find this thread interesting because I spent a considerable amount of time last year pursuing this Kentucky Brook trout myth in at least two of the streams.

Last year I made multiple visits to Red River Gorge and bush whacked into the very tops of the headwaters of Dog Fork and Parched Corn Creek searching all the way to the tail waters. I will also add that bush whacking in Red River Gorge is like bush Whacking in the Smokies, Lots of Rhododendrons, large and small cliffs to climb down.

I dont claim to be the best fisherman in the area but I did spend a considerable amount of time on these two streams without any success.
What I found was the waters where very very small with few pockets of water that could even hold trout. I did find a lot of "mino's" in both creeks in ankle deep water. If there are still Brook trout or any other trout in these streams good luck because this fly fisherman worked at it pretty hard without any luck.

I have had the oportunity to volunteer to stock Brown Trout and Rainbows with the department of fish and wildlife in other streams within Red River Gorge but I would love to see anyone out there to report on any recent success at Dog Fork or Parched Corn Creek.

sworp
05-19-2009, 11:49 AM
Several years ago, no more than 5 or 6, I caught a brookie while fishing in the Dix River below Herrington Lake. I couldnt believe what I was holding but it was unmistakably a brookie. It took an elk hair caddis in a tailout in the fast water near the spillway. I got my buddy to snap a photo and it's one of our favorite pictures.
Good luck with your search!

kytroutman
05-19-2009, 12:52 PM
sworp, there were a couple of years that the occasional brookie showed up right after the stockings near the Burgin power plant. I personally never caught one but do know people who did. I suspect they were mixed in with the browns and bows that were being stocked by the KDFW.

eku_brookie_biologist
05-19-2009, 08:06 PM
Wow Thanks guys!!! I have shocked up three trout in Parch Corn Creek, all nice size and all returned unharmed, but i have sampled this stream approx 6 times. So not real good numbers. But i am interested in the Poor Fork and Shillalah Creek areas. I think these streams have a really good chance of having viable populations.

If anyone is interested in helping me in my project, just shoot me a line. grayson_patton7@eku.edu

WVBrookie
05-19-2009, 10:05 PM
Following my Easter trip to the Smokies, I tried to add Kentucky to my list of states in which I have caught brook trout - 7 in the Appalachians and 4 in the Rockies.

My target was Shillalah Creek, but the gazatteer and GPS did not match the roads. After driving through two "parking lots" near the visitors center, we finally found the stream. We parked in a church lot and we were asked to leave by a local before we could even step in the stream. He was nice about it and we were very respectful.

I think we may have found the trailhead (unmarked ?) that routes you around the private property, but didn't have time to hike in.

I will be back sometime!

Chris

milligan trout degree
05-20-2009, 09:51 PM
hey eku brookie biologist, you wouldn't happen to know how the carp and smallie fishing in the new is going would you?

eku_brookie_biologist
05-23-2009, 01:06 AM
I will know soon, VERY SOON! Ill call ya up and let you know how it went. Your gonna have to get your azz up here and fish with me soon. You need to be brought back down to earth by the ole goose!!! :)

milligan trout degree
05-23-2009, 08:04 PM
back down to earth huh? thats a lot of trash talk for someone who's been doing more fishing with a backpack than fly rod lately. any, back to tying poppers for the private bass pro pond tomorrow.

eku_brookie_biologist
05-24-2009, 12:51 AM
Huh? Bass Pro Pond?

dalerio
05-24-2009, 01:54 AM
i have been to both. bad branch seems to be the best bet but no fishing. also if you parked at the church you ways along way from the fishable water. there is a trail that goes to hensley's settlement you follow it to get some altitude.

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11212

if you want some help i will go with you but, with the ph martins fork and shillalah is probaly dead. with poor fork not far behind. poor fork has alot of garbage in it and gets really low in the summer but all three has good water temps.

here is you another good articule on them both in bell county.

https://segue.middlebury.edu/view/html/site/appalachiantrout/node/1580635

just let me know,i have rested after turkey season and i am ready for another good hike.

Ky Tim
06-05-2009, 01:28 PM
Boy, I'd like to know some info on this too. Making a trip to Kentucky Dam Village State Resort Park in July for the wife's family reunion, and I'll NEED to make time for myself and would love to do some fishing for brookies. I've dabbled with trying to get some info and have come up pretty empty handed, so any info would be appreciated! Good luck on your study by the way!


You will be far away from brook trout water at Kentucky Dam Village. If it were me I would take some bass and panfish flies and fish around Kentucky Lake, Lake Barkley or some of the small lakes at LBL.

Hoosier
06-05-2009, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by swipper 74
Boy, I'd like to know some info on this too. Making a trip to Kentucky Dam Village State Resort Park in July for the wife's family reunion, and I'll NEED to make time for myself and would love to do some fishing for brookies. I've dabbled with trying to get some info and have come up pretty empty handed, so any info would be appreciated! Good luck on your study by the way!


You will be far away from brook trout water at Kentucky Dam Village. If it were me I would take some bass and panfish flies and fish around Kentucky Lake, Lake Barkley or some of the small lakes at LBL.

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Swipper,

No Brookies, but stocked rainbows are in Casey Creek near Cadiz. I have fished it once in the summer and did catch about 5 in an hour. Ususally I stay with the late fall through early spring during C&R to avoid the crowds. Also there are suppose to be some stocked streams on Fort Cambell nearby.

swipper 74
06-14-2009, 08:44 PM
KY Tim and Hoosier,

Thanks so much for the suggestions! I'll look into both options. Can't wait to wet a line! I'll let everyone know how I did when I return!

Denver1911
11-22-2009, 09:15 AM
8 to 10 years ago on Parched Corn Creek, down the ridge from Chimney Top road. 4-inch brookie. Why? I thought it'd be a good idea to add a Ky brookie to my list of things done. I won't do it again. Too many other things out there to do and too little time.

cardfly
12-22-2009, 11:29 PM
I just got my Ky Afield Winter 2009 and there is an article on page 34 about access to the East Fork of Indian Creek in Red River Gorge. It says that it is a popular trout stream in the Gorge and is stocked in March, April, May, and October.

Anyone know anything about this???

D

Kytroutbum
12-23-2009, 09:53 AM
Most if not all of the streams in "the Gorge" are stocked in October and catch and release till May. BUT this year I am fairly sure they were not stocked in October- The rumor I heard has it that the hatchery at Wolf Creek Dam released into the Cumberland rather than hold them due to water temp problems. I spent a weekend in early November scouting and found no trout had been stocked in the Gorge at that time. You might check with the folks in Frankfort as to updates. Trout have a very hard time surviving the low water and high temps found in the summer. Chimmey top and Parched Corn might be the only natural reporducing streams there.

jeffnles1
12-24-2009, 04:03 PM
You guys can check this website to see when KY stocks streams.
http://fw.ky.gov/troutsched.asp?lid=615&NavPath=C244

This year, most of the state experienced an unusually warm October which caused the state to delay stocking most of the October streams until mid to late November.

Hope this helps.
Jeff