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MadisonBoats
05-28-2009, 09:39 AM
Fished the Clinch Wednesday from 11-6. The day started off very muggy with high humidity and then I was hit with two-quick and heavy showers. Not a good day to leave the rain jacket at home.

When I hit the river - there was heavy bird activity on the surface. There was a pretty good hatch coming off the bottom and the fish were feeding heavy behind the shoals.http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3&pictureid=187

Caught about 20 fish in the 12-14" range and one Perch.
http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3&pictureid=182
http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3&pictureid=185
http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3&pictureid=183

lar
05-28-2009, 11:39 AM
Sounds like you had a good day as well. We fished CWF from 6:30AM to 11:00AM. We caught well into the 30's each. Several in the upper end of the slot range. Should have the pictures later this evening. Mostly used the BHPT #16. We did get a few on large streamers later in the morning. Nice to see the Clinch is still good after all the rain and high flows.

waterwolf
05-28-2009, 12:46 PM
Thanks guys, guess the solitude was too much to ask for this year. Would have been a nice change of pace from years past, but as always it never lasts...

Wilson10
05-28-2009, 01:18 PM
I bet that perch put up a good little fight !

tennswede
05-28-2009, 02:01 PM
Man, Perch in the Clinch great! They are the best eating out there. We have a similar species in Europe and man they are goooood!

P.S. caught one several years ago on Hiwassee.

waterwolf
05-28-2009, 02:09 PM
The Clinch is full of perch and has been since the beginning of time. Yum Yum.

ChemEAngler
05-28-2009, 04:19 PM
Thanks for the reports. Plan on being on the Clinch first thing tomorrow morning and fishing thru lunch if possible.

Mundele
05-29-2009, 08:52 PM
What's CWF?

MadisonBoats
05-29-2009, 09:13 PM
A "Honeyhole"!:biggrin:

tennswede
05-29-2009, 09:44 PM
The Clinch is full of perch and has been since the beginning of time. Yum Yum.

Seriously doubt that, Yellow Perch (perca flavescens) is an introduced species in most of the southeast. If you mean a very long time I buy that but not since the beginning of time in literal sense.

Means of Introduction: The yellow perch has been introduced into Alabama (Smith-Vaniz 1968; Boschung 1992; Mettee et al. 1996); Arizona (O'Malley 1920; Minckley 1973); Arkansas (O'Malley 1920); California (Smith 1896; Shebley 1917; Neale 1931; Moyle 1976a; Dill and Cordone 1997); Colorado (O'Malley 1919, 1920; Ellis 1974; Tyus et al. 1982; Propst and Carlson 1986); Connecticut (Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920); Florida (Kilby et al. 1959; Yerger 1977; Lee et al. 1980 et seq.); Georgia (Dahlberg and Scott 1971a, 1971b; Yerger 1977); Idaho (Linder 1963; Idaho Fish and Game 1990); Illinois (Bowers 1906; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920; Smith 1979; Burr and Page 1986); Indiana (Bowers 1906; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920; Nelson and Gerking 1968); Iowa (Titcomb 1904; Bowers 1906; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919; O'Malley 1920); Kansas (O'Malley 1919; Cross 1967; Cross et al. 1986); Kentucky (Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920; Burr and Warren 1986); Maine (O'Malley 1920); Maryland (Bowers 1906; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920; Lee et al. 1976); Massachusetts (Bowers 1906; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920); Minnesota (O'Malley 1919; Johnson 1915); Mississippi (Bowers 1905; O'Malley 1919; Mettee et al. 1996); Missouri (Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920; Pflieger 1997); Montana (Brown 1971; Cross et al. 1986; Whitmore 1997); Nebraska (Smith 1896; O'Malley 1919; Lee et al. 1980 et seq.; Cross et al. 1986); Nevada (Miller and Alcorn 1946; La Rivers 1962; Deacon and Williams 1984; Insider Viewpoint 2001); New Jersey (Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919); New Mexico (Johnson 1915; Sublette et al. 1990); New York (Bean 1903; Bowers 1906; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1920); North Carolina (Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919; Menhinick 1991; Jenkins and Burkhead 1994); North Dakota (Titcomb 1904; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920); Ohio (Trautman 1981; Burr and Page 1986; Hocutt et al. 1986); Oklahoma (Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920; Hall 1956; Miller and Robison 1973); Oregon (Lampman 1946; Bond 1994); Pennsylvania (Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920); South Carolina (Johnson 1915; Dahlberg and Scott 1971a); South Dakota (Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1920; Bailey and Allum 1962); Tennessee (Lee et al. 1980 et seq.; Starnes and Etnier 1986; Ryon and Loar 1988; Etnier and Starnes 1993; Tilmant 1999); Texas (Hubbs et al. 1991); Utah (Sigler and Miller 1963; Tyus et al. 1982); Vermont (Bowers 1906; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920); Virginia (Bowers 1906; Johnson 1915; O'Malley 1919, 1920; Hocutt et al. 1986; Jenkins and Burkhead 1994); Washington (Smith 1896; Johnson 1915; Chapman 1942; Lampman 1946; Gray and Dauble 1977; Wydoski and Whitney 1979; Tilmant 1999); West Virginia (Hocutt et al. 1986; Stauffer et al. 1995); and Wyoming (Baxter and Simon 1970; Hubert 1994; Tilmant 1999).

ChemEAngler
05-29-2009, 11:13 PM
Some pictures from today. The sulfurs are doing fine, and the trout are fat and happy.
http://knxtravis80.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p930904983-3.jpg

http://knxtravis80.zenfolio.com/img/v6/p673339158-3.jpg

This little guy (about 12") had fresh bite marks all the way around him. Makes me wonder what was after him. Another brown possibly or maybe a pike that came upstream from Melton Hill
http://knxtravis80.zenfolio.com/img/v5/p982981913-3.jpg

Mundele
05-30-2009, 06:08 AM
What's CWF?

A "Honeyhole"!:biggrin:


I KNEW it! Many of the posts on this forum are suspiciously inspecific. Someone needs to teach me the secret handshake...

--Matt

waterwolf
05-30-2009, 06:45 AM
Some pictures from today. The sulfurs are doing fine, and the trout are fat and happy.
http://knxtravis80.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p930904983-3.jpg

http://knxtravis80.zenfolio.com/img/v6/p673339158-3.jpg

This little guy (about 12") had fresh bite marks all the way around him. Makes me wonder what was after him. Another brown possibly or maybe a pike that came upstream from Melton Hill
http://knxtravis80.zenfolio.com/img/v5/p982981913-3.jpg

Striper or another brown, very very unlikely it was a pike. I do not think many remain in Melton Hill anymore, but the stripers have definitely made their way into the CLinch.

MadisonBoats
05-30-2009, 09:54 AM
I spoke with a guy at TWRA this week and he let on that there are many stripers that have moved up in to the tailwater to do some damage on the trout. There may big some trout on trout action; but, I feel that it would probably be more likely from the stripers...:mad:

Travis,
Great layout of your picture with the rod and fly!

As for the Perch; it was the first I have caught on the Clinch with a fly rod. I was dropping a streamer close to a mud bank and bringing it out. Kind of like bass fishing...He just rolled over like a catfish and let me reel him in...:smile:

Stonefly
05-30-2009, 10:53 AM
The Clinch is full of perch and has been since the beginning of time. Yum Yum.

I think of 'em as yankee fish. They eat 'em up there like we do catfish and crappie.

sb

mstone
05-30-2009, 08:49 PM
I'm feelin it too waterwolf, the crowd doesn't need to get any worse. We were up today below PO and I don't remember seeing that many people on the water there in a while. Nice day though.....

ChemEAngler
05-30-2009, 10:13 PM
I'm feelin it too waterwolf, the crowd doesn't need to get any worse. We were up today below PO and I don't remember seeing that many people on the water there in a while. Nice day though.....

Give it another month, and when the sulfurs go away so will a lot of the crowds. I always look forward to the dog days of summer when midges are the name of the game. Lots of people don't like to fish midges, and the crowds typically decline when that happens. Keep in mind too how beautiful of a day it was and this is probably the first chance many have had to fish the Clinch in many weeks.

You know, too often I complain about crowds on the Clinch, and my remedy for that is to go on Fridays and weekday evenings. I know that isn't an option for many people. However, people who know how to fish can catch fish in a crowd, that is probably why I avoid them. :biggrin: In my experience, it isn't the most pleasurable experience to be shoulder to shoulder with others, but there is the occasion when you can learn from the person next to you.

Another option if you don't like the crowds is to try going door-to-door asking for wade access. I know some guys who have used this to their advantage on the Watauga.

BlueRaiderFan
05-30-2009, 10:49 PM
I fished the Clinch the other week for the first time. Lots of people, but I still had a great time. Easy river to catch fish on if you ask me. Had a blast catching stockers all day long. I agree about going when others don't though. It is much more fun.

waterwolf
05-30-2009, 10:51 PM
I'm feelin it too waterwolf, the crowd doesn't need to get any worse. We were up today below PO and I don't remember seeing that many people on the water there in a while. Nice day though.....

I was out today as well, and it was absurd. Sad how one week ago there wasn't a soul on the river, and a few reports slip out and the world descends on the place. Hope the fish don't suffer too bad from the loose lips...

Mundele
05-30-2009, 11:58 PM
I was there too early in the morning. It was the first chance I had to get out in a few weeks. It was pretty crowded. I need to do some negotiating with my work over schedules so I can get out during the week... That or take the canoe out and float to a non-crowded spot.


--Matt

waterwolf
05-31-2009, 06:43 AM
That or take the canoe out and float to a non-crowded spot.


--Matt
Good luck with that, after what I saw yesterday there is not much that would be considered uncrowded. The word is definitely out now, it was calm and peaceful all spring, then the chatter started last weekend and now the place is an absolute zoo.

ChemEAngler
05-31-2009, 09:24 AM
Waterwolf,

I haven't really noticed much internet chatter, but I don't typically check the meat fisherman sites. LRO, SEFF, IA, and CFF are the forums I either read or participate in, and this is the only place I have seen anything regarding the Clinch.

It was terribly crowded this time last year too. I have a picture somewhere, if I can find it, showing one of my favorite runs with probably 6 other people fishing it. And that was on a Friday afternoon. This is a run that once the sulfur hatch was over I could go to and catch fish in complete solitude.

I am not pointing fingers here, but just reminding you that you were also involved in the chatter on this site last weekend in the minor debate you and another member got into. In the heat of the moment you uncharacteristically gave a series of reports that touted the fish as "overly aggressive and they paid the price for their aggressiveness".

We asked for a trophy fishery when we pushed for the slot limit. I too had visions of having a trophy fishery all to myself, however that was unrealistic. A trophy fishery is going to draw people from all around. Plus the recent generation schedules have everybody wanting to scratch the itch to get out. I think this weekend was the perfect storm for crowds on the Clinch.

MadisonBoats
05-31-2009, 09:30 AM
You know, too often I complain about crowds on the Clinch, and my remedy for that is to go on Fridays and weekday evenings. I know that isn't an option for many people. However, people who know how to fish can catch fish in a crowd, that is probably why I avoid them. :biggrin: In my experience, it isn't the most pleasurable experience to be shoulder to shoulder with others, but there is the occasion when you can learn from the person next to you.

- Right on Travis!

I post on here to share my love of fly fishing with others and to learn from others. I enjoy reading the posts and learning.

Life is too short to live it alone and not share it with others!

ChemEAngler
05-31-2009, 10:47 PM
You (cheme) lar, and others highlight the particulars, and it is perfectly up to you, but realize that those decisions can seriously effect not only yours but other peoples day on the river.

Let people go figure stuff out for themselves, if they have the desire they can go investigate and learn firsthand whether things are worth their time or not.


Waterwolf,
I have to tell you this is something I wrestle with consistently. When I was starting out, guys like John Emert, Will Littlejohn, Scott, and even you helped me tremendously. Granted that was one-on-one assistance and here (as well as blogs) many others, including lurkers, can see the information. However, I feel that I should pass on the information I gain, but maybe I can find a better way to do it.

waterwolf
06-01-2009, 06:48 AM
We all got help as we started. I learned most of what I know on my own from trial and error. Heck when I started fishing the Clinch there was no church, no jail, or anywhere at 61 to park, other then the bridge. The islands were like a foreign country, and at that time Peach Orchard didn't exist as well, there was no weir dam as well.

I was 10 years old so I got the sympathy of the handful of folks who fished at that time, some who are now passed on.

If people wish to go fish, they can look at the schedules, they know how to get to the river, and they can observe what is going on when they get there and decide what to use and how to use it. It will make them better anglers over their careers if they don't glean all the pertinent info from a forum or blog, and make those who value some sense of solitude much happier.

silvercreek
06-01-2009, 08:27 AM
It's a two edged sword guys. Without the anglers using the water there would be no stocking, no access for those drift boats, no weir dams etc. Why is face to face fishing knowledge and paid for knowledge (guides) ok and knowledge gained for the internet not ok? By the way, most of what I have gained in 29 years of flyfishing was self taught. I learned to cast from a book. There were virutally no flyfishers on the Caney, and no one knew what a scud on the Caney was until I started giving talks about it at the TU meetings and MIddle Tennessee Flyfishers. I use to wonder why there were so few flyfishers on the Caney. Last time I went a year ago. Everyone was flyfishing and there was a flotilla of drift boats . Careful what you wish for.

MadisonBoats
06-01-2009, 08:52 AM
OK, since I started this topic; I shall clarify my intentions of posting on LRO.

I think it is ridiculous to think the World of 'solitude in fly fishing is coming to an end' due to a few posts on the internet. Travis hit is right when he took the time to offer his opinion on how the past few weeks have been a good opportunity for people to get out for the first time. Most people will start to slack off and do something else once it gets warm.

Either way; it is not my river to dictate who can and cannot fish. I do wish I owned most of the land along the river to preserve it for our children to enjoy in the future.

waterwolf,
You best not worry about the foot traffic on the river! There is a storm brewing for us bro! It is called development! Once the massive development starts on the old Vanoy Farm and the last few farms start selling off on down stream - we will remember the days when we thought it was crowded.:mad:

Are you a member of any conservation groups? I think you would be a great voice in Trout Unlimited or Sierra...! You are very passionate and vocal and that is good at times!

I give many props to those in TU and other groups that have helped make the Clinch a better/cleaner place to fish. I am just starting my time as an advocate and active participant.

Folks, we have to start watching these county planning committees. There are a lot of good old boy transactions that put our precious resources in peril.

waterwolf
06-01-2009, 09:08 AM
This is a very tough subject, and Madison you and Cheme bring up some good points, especially when you take into consideration the need for folks to help standup and fight for our rights or for the sanctity of the river.

Having guided on the Clinch and Holston for a pretty good while, I am partly to blame. Especially for the Holston, and certainly am not innocent when it comes to passing on info, after working in a fly shop for 10 years. Maybe it is the monetary exchange which made it less painful, who knows, but anymore when I do trout fish I hate dealing with crowds.

I don't mind fishing around others, and the bigger issue lies with alot of anglers, especially on the Clinch lack the manners needed to fish around others. Those on here that know me, know I am quick to make my point with a viscious toungue when someone violates river rules. But it is still a hassle.

The only plus side to the development issues on the Clinch for now, is that many farms on the East Side of the river are blocked from development by the rail road track easement issue, and the other farms are held by landowner who probably won't sell ever. There are many of the same farms with conservation easement terms now, which renders them undevelopable as well.

I am a member of the Nature Conservancy, TU, and many other conservation organizations. However, I am not a good voice, far to pointed in the way I handle issues which I feel strongly about. I am a good pit bull, and good rallier, but not a good spokesperson.

MadisonBoats
06-01-2009, 09:29 AM
I am a member of the Nature Conservancy, TU, and many other conservation organizations. However, I am not a good voice, far to pointed in the way I handle issues which I feel strongly about. I am a good pit bull, and good rallier, but not a good spokesperson.

Hey, everyone has their strong points! I am very similar; but, I have tried to step back a bit and use self enlightenment to learn to enjoy life more. I try to worry about the things I need to change and that I can change. Then, I try to support and help larger things that I cannot change solely as an individual.

I admire your passion and I respect your opinions! One thing I like about fly fishing is we seem to be a select group that share a passion for the river and fish. I try to embrace that passion and help others in our group by what I know and I keep my 'ears'-eyes peeled back for great information from seasoned fisherman such as you and many others on this board.

As for fishing manners; most people do not know them that well. I think it basically equates to people just being kind and considerate to others. However, there are people who do not realize they are doing things wrong or bothering others. I find that smacking them in the face does not help:biggrin:. It seems best to offer up smiles and kindness to others to help them learn about our sport and not deter them.

Anyway, lets just keep helping one another and sharing information. Some people live far off and want to fish the Clinch when their stream is off. We and in turn do the same on occasion. They need safety pointers and help too...

Please keep educating us with your knowledge! As for your technique - that is your choice and only your choice bro!

Take it easy!
Shawn Madison:smile:

Byron Begley
06-01-2009, 08:20 PM
Hi Silvercreek,

I was there. I know who you are. I remember when you figured out they were there and told us about the scuds in the Caney Fork at a TU meeting in Nashville. I can still see that slide show. I remember thinking, what the heck is a scud? How long ago was that, 25 years or more? Have you and the guys been on your trip to ET yet?

Byron

silvercreek
06-01-2009, 08:40 PM
Yo Byron. The scud thing gave me away. We are going June 12th. You have a standing invitation to join us on saturday if you can. I'll get in touch later and let you know where we will be fishing. I don't even know yet! This site is great. If I can't be in the mountains at least it gives me a chance to hear about it. Take care.

Stonefly
06-01-2009, 10:00 PM
Huh? MTFF and Cumberland chapter in the 80's? Silvercreek, who dat?

sb