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mstone
06-07-2009, 05:51 PM
After a slow start, a friend and I had a fair day on the river. I was dissapointed that not many sulphurs at all came off. A dry with a split case dropper worked pretty well. I believe I had three in the slot including one that wrapped around the only log in the river and got off, but I was able to get a good look at him. After the mass of people left the water around lunch, the river was fairly peaceful. Fish appeared to get on midges late in the day as we were leaving.

mstone

fourx
06-18-2009, 05:22 PM
You know, it stinks that this hatch will move upriver above "the jail" into private long before it peters out. Drifting is going to be the only option from now on to get into these yellow bugs. Sure would be nice to get into some of that hard to find leased property upriver to see what's going on for us wade fishers.

4X

MadisonBoats
06-18-2009, 08:38 PM
Well, from my latest observations. The water temperature around the jail is too warm for the larger fish. Also, I noticed there was little hatch of anything this week. However; I hooked in to a couple of nice fish, but my overall numbers are down.

If you are fishing at the jail; you best walk the 1.4 miles to the upper shoals around the private boat launch. That is where the last set of deep shoals are and I saw a few nice trout running in there...

ajh10567
06-18-2009, 09:46 PM
I have always wanted to do that, but I thought you would have to cross private property in order to do that. Would it be legal to just walk up the bank, or is there some other way to get up there?

fourx
06-18-2009, 10:10 PM
I don't think your going to see too much temp. fluctuation on a tailrace in a mile or so's distance. Just a thought.
But, people are piling up in the area where the new walking trail from the church ends at the river. I mean stacked up! So, you're probably better off walking up just to get away from the crowds.
On a side note: Do want to do something funny? Rig a realistic (split-case, etc.) nymph as a top nymph and put a #8-#10 hot-wire copper john on as a dropper and fish it throughout these long riffles down there.
You'd be surprised how many big fish you'll find holding right at the front of these riffles with that big bottom tumbling fly. I taped a 22" 'bow on my last outing using a bright red copper john. But, I'm catching 80% on the split-case but none of those 17" plus fish I'm gettin' on the "wire".

4X

mstone
06-18-2009, 10:56 PM
I did notice a big difference in the hatch from the jail area, to upstream about a mile and a half, from one weekend to the next. By now I would not think there are many left anywhere. Just me...

waterwolf
06-18-2009, 11:24 PM
I am going to offend, but here goes...

The hatch isn't moving upstream, that is completely false. Grab a handful of moss in front of the jail, then go up to Miller's Island and do the same. Numbers of nymphs in each handful will be dang near equal. This logic is the same which was used a few weeks back concerning the high flows destroying the hatch, once again that was wrong as well as this.

The water temp at the jail was 48 degrees Sunday, 49 degrees on Monday afternoon, and 49 degrees on Tuesday. Sure with the monsoons the last couple of days and an increase in runoff it will alter the temp slightly, but water temp and the Clinch is not an issue, it has never in the last 24 years I have fished the river ever exceeded 59 degrees which occurred during lake turnover.

Walking the tracks only leads you to trespassing, which is illegal, causes bad blood, and can actually get you killed on a couple of farms. Do not do it, do not advocate it, and if you are going to cross private ground in that part of the world you best have permission or suffer the consequences. If you want private access get off your butt and go ask! There is only one lease and it isn't that hard to get on if you try rather then whine about it. I have 3 other farms I fish off of, which I acquired from a simple request to the landowner. And BTW there are better fish this year from the top of Lewallen Island down to 61 bridge then anywhere else in the river.

One more thing on the sulfurs, the hatch is winding down for the year, get over it, it happens every year about this time. Do you all expect it to last year round?

MadisonBoats
06-19-2009, 10:07 AM
I am going to offend, but here goes...


Looks like the only person that is offended may be you...:biggrin:

As for my points; I did not say there was any difference in the hatch from spot to spot. I understand Entomology well enough to not debrief everyone on the hatch variances.

Well, from my latest observations. The water temperature around the jail is too warm for the larger fish. - I read on my thermometer 62 degrees Wed. at noon around the grassy area of the Church. The sun was very hot and we had some previous rains. Also, I noticed there was little hatch of anything this week. However; I hooked in to a couple of nice fish, but my overall numbers are down. - I was only insinuating that the hatch was tailing off...

If you are fishing at the jail; you best walk the 1.4 miles to the upper shoals around the private boat launch. - You can easily do this in the river and not trespass. The depth of the pools at the church do not compare in relation to the pools above the island. Additionally, those pools remain deep and cold during slack water. That is where the last set of deep shoals are and I saw a few nice trout running in there...

As for giving away secrets; I do not let things like that bother me. This forum is a popular forum, but you can notice topics go for a day or two with minimal views. I hope my information will help some fellow members enjoy our sport. The river is not mine nor anyone else's... Hopefully, by sharing information and helping others fish; we can alleviate some of the congestion down in the Church area...

If you see me on the river; say hello and let us learn from each other and make an effort at finding a new friend instead of earning a new enemy!

Here is a picture of my boat and you cannot miss me... I am 6'4" and 235 lbs. and usually pushing this boat around the river somewhere.

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3&pictureid=199

waterwolf
06-19-2009, 10:48 AM
There are no secrets with regards to the Clinch, don't think I ever insinuated that in my post. I was simply responding to false information which was posted. I did not name any names or quote any posts in my response.

I am not out to make any enemies either, but I will correct when the need arises, if that applies to you, then so be it, but it is nothing personal.

I would highly caution promoting folks near or on the property where the private boat ramp is located above the island. Not a good idea, and the same goes for the farm which spans the east side of the river, basically from the bridge to the top of the island. It is wadeable to the top, and then gets quite deep in a hurry. Most folks don't have the stomach to fish the deep flat water anyway, which is pretty much all that lays between there and Coldwater.

Misinformation does not do anyone any favors, and will not help them out on the river.

mstone
06-19-2009, 10:52 AM
I was not sure about the hatch "moving" upstream. but I have fished the Clinch long enough to know that the sulphurs had to be about done for the year. Oh well, time to change flies and move on. That's part of the game. Won't get to fish there for few weeks, leaving tommorrow for some saltwater action. Will dig out the midge box when I get back.

mstone

flyman
06-19-2009, 11:19 AM
Thanks Madison, I'd like to fish with you sometime. I like your style :biggrin:

golfballs03
06-19-2009, 03:16 PM
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golfballs03
06-19-2009, 03:20 PM
Walking the tracks only leads you to trespassing, which is illegal, causes bad blood, and can actually get you killed on a couple of farms. Do not do it, do not advocate it, and if you are going to cross private ground in that part of the world you best have permission or suffer the consequences.

We're some mean SOB's up here in Clinton

ajh10567
06-19-2009, 05:16 PM
Hey Madisonboats,
Were you fishing down at the church wednesday morning? I was fishing above you and I think we chatted for a minute based on your picture in your avitor.

MadisonBoats
06-20-2009, 08:31 AM
ajh10567,
Yes, I was the oaf pushing the boat:rolleyes:

Stop me again next time and you are welcome to ride on up the river with me....

CinciVol
06-22-2009, 08:45 AM
Madison, this may be a little off topic, but could you tell me a little about your boat? I'd eventually like to get something that I can fish in the tailwaters and also take in the lakes occasionally to hunt for bass/carp, kind of a do-it-all boat. Your boat looks like to may fit the bill.

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! Dave

MadisonBoats
06-22-2009, 10:00 AM
CinciVol,
No problem bud...

My boat is a 1962 FeatherCraft 14' Semi-V to flat bottom.

I purchased it in decent shape at a fair price. You will see these on Craigslist all the time for about $1,000 with trailer and motor.

I have a '64 Johnson 5.5 that I welded a rock guard around the prop and I completely rebuilt the engine and repainted it.

As for the boat;


Sanded it completely down and used an etching agent sprayed from a 5 gallon utility sprayer to prep for paint. I rolled on a metal primer and filled all the divots/dents with bondo. Also, I beefed up the front keel with about 2 inches of bondo tapered along the profile.
Painted it black, blue, and striped silver. I put about 3-4 coats on since it was so easy to spray (had to thin about 30%).
Replaced the transom board and glassed it for longer duty.
Added 40# trolling motor with 21' 6 gauge jumper cables as wiring to the deep cycle mounted in the bow.
Added two pvc pipes for mounting my two big lots umbrellas for rain and heat protection. I have to snake a bungee around them so they do not blow out and it gives them flexibility.
Added an anchor davit to the nose for quick and easy anchoring. I welded a walmart $8 davit to some stock steel and mounted it to the top nose handle.
Just added two swivel seats and posts. Had to create a top plate and bottom plate of glassed wood for each since the aluminum was so thin. Also, I welded a bracket with legs that mounted to the pedestals and extends to the floor to some shoes I made. These are glassed and bondoed to the floor.
Stripped and repainted the trailer too. New bearings, races, etc...Use LED Lighting for long lasting use and durability.

You should be able to get a boat similar to this and set it up like this for around $1,500.

*The key is balancing your weight out in the boat and to minimize your draft. I did add some flotation foam under the three-seat channels inside the boat to help reduce the draft. I can take it through about 2" of water, but I have to get out and push it along. The only shoal on the Clinch that gets me is Johnson Shoals when it is way down and coming up the river by the jail in a few spots.

Email me and I can help you with the specifics and send you pictures.

Hope I was helpful bud!
SM:smile:

CinciVol
06-22-2009, 01:09 PM
Thanks Shawn. Email sent.

pineman19
06-22-2009, 01:54 PM
Shawn,

I wouldn't have guessed that your boat was a 60's model, not that I know much about boats, but you have done an excellent restoration job. The price can't be beat either considering the cost of a new boat. Thanks for sharing.

Neal

MadisonBoats
06-22-2009, 07:41 PM
Thanks fellas! This setup works well for me and my constraints. Other setups work well for others.

I will try and add some detail and photos later to help guide anyone that is looking for a similiar set up. Learn from my mistakes...:biggrin:

Anyway, I design boats and boat components. I have done that for the past few years and worked for one of the large wakeboard boat manufacturers and the largest boat conglomerate in the World. I handled the International stuff so it was more fun and we had more liberty in our designs than the Domestic Market.

I am planning on releasing my own drift boat design towards the end of the year. I really think it will wow some people and maybe earn me a few orders. Plus, I want to significantly lower the costs and make it more affordable without cutting corners.

There are some patent issues that are holding me up right now. I have a few patents out already and they are expensive to support. This boat would probably have 3-4 patents involved and maybe one utility patent. So, it gets difficult for me to front on the money for production and patent costs - even though I usually handle most of the paperwork.

Keep an eye out for Madison Boats....I think it will suit many with something they want, value in using, and very affordable....

monktrout
06-22-2009, 09:50 PM
Shawn, Really interesting stuff. I wish you well on your boats. I plan to be fishing the church area on Friday morning unless we opt out for the Caney. Hope to see meet you on the river soon. I've got a faded green pork pie hat and a lousy cast. Monk

MadisonBoats
06-23-2009, 08:35 AM
Your description cracked me up! Thanks!

I will look for you if I head out that way or if the water is amicable to fish...