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prosigna
07-17-2009, 06:12 PM
I am taking a group backpacking to #17 on Abrams Creek next weekend. I will not be able to fish full time but will get a few hours in while I am there. I would expect to be in the general area of #17.

What patterns should I be using?

tennswede
07-17-2009, 10:06 PM
Poppers for smallmouth, unless you hike up towards the falls area. Then standard mountain fare for Rainbows.

sammcdonald
07-17-2009, 10:33 PM
remember to get your permits (free) and that the maximum party size is 8

prosigna
07-17-2009, 10:55 PM
Poppers for smallmouth, unless you hike up towards the falls area. Then standard mountain fare for Rainbows.

Are there no trout in the section between the Hatcher Mountain Trail ford and 17?

remember to get your permits (free) and that the maximum party size is 8

Can do. I am a nooby flyfisherman, but an expert backpacker. I have been taking groups up to 17 for 20-years. I do not consider the backcountry regulations to be optional!

Kytroutbum
07-17-2009, 11:24 PM
I've caught some rainbows just above the campground years ago. If my memory serves me correctly, you get into a canyon type area up a ways. My best memory was that of a Raccoon trying to eat from my pan while it was still over a burner!

Randall Sale
the Kytroutbum

tennswede
07-19-2009, 02:48 PM
prosigna,

Very few trout below Rabbit Creek. For prime trout fishing you really need to be on the other side of the falls. There are some better fish above Little Bottoms in the wintertime, right now you would be better of fishing for rock bass and such.

MadisonBoats
07-19-2009, 05:11 PM
prosigna,
I think Abram's Creek is a wonderful place to guests. Here are a few pointers from my experiences....


Super slick in the creek bed. (be careful and expect it to be VERY SLIPPERY)
You can read about the fish in the creek on the campsite message board. Several are protected.
The famous 'Horseshoe' is up the creek and about a 3-5 mile hike...
The fly I have found successful in the creek is the 'greenie weenie'. Just let it drift in to a pool and it will dance for the fish...:biggrin:

One thing I have always thought about is taking some kind of float tube so that I could float back to the campground....

Tippet
07-21-2009, 08:48 PM
I second the green weenie. A buddy got me to use them. I also like to use a Charteuse San Worm. Its the same color as the green weenie obvioulsy, but it is just another version of the green inch worm that I have used recently.

BlueRaiderFan
07-21-2009, 09:32 PM
The worms that I've been using from a local shop are done after one strike...Is this normal? If so, you may want to take a few. Just a thought.

Tippet
07-23-2009, 07:19 AM
I tie my own worms, and they seem to hold up just fine. Of course I use them mostly on the little fish in the streams.

Tarheelflyfishing
07-23-2009, 12:55 PM
Try putting a drop or two of Hard as Hull on the body of your SJW's.

duckypaddler
07-24-2009, 12:41 AM
My best memory was that of a Raccoon trying to eat from my pan while it was still over a burner!

Randall Sale
the Kytroutbum

Those racoons at 17 are pro's for sure. We were trying to sleep outside our tents one night and they crept up on us. One was so big I thought it was a baby bear at first! It was the only time I ever thrown a rock at wildlife, but after 3 encounters in ten minutes, I was pretty frustarated. I hit one with a rock bigger than a softball and it just stared back at me without even flinching like it was saying is that the best you got. We eventually set up our tents and hid from them for the rest of the night. While many here on this board are scared of bears & snakes, I'm scared of the racoon at campsite 17.

Ooh and can someone tell the boy scouts about the maximim party size as I have run into huge groups on 3 occasions there that were many multiples of 8.

prosigna
07-25-2009, 04:39 PM
I have many stories of racoon encounters at 17. I have seen some that were easily 50-lbs. They seem to be less trouble since the bear-bag cable systems were installed a few years ago.

I was taken by suprise at the trail head. There is a sign that says reservations are required for 17. The new (2007) maps in the box also show 17 in red, indicating reservation requirements. The GSMNP website does not list 17 in there list of reserved sites. I guess they are working it in slowely. I am going to call the backcountry reservation desk on monday and see what the story is.

Also, the Abrams Fall Trail from Cades Cove to the falls is closed due to bear activity. We dayhiked up from 17 to the falls expecting it to be alone. NOT SO. They are make no effort to enforce the trail closure. It was a normal Friday in July crowd.

We fished mostly at the campsite in the deep pools. There were tons of fish but they wanted nothing to do with anything I threw at them. We fished a little right above the falls and did not see ay fish but we only went a few hundred yards.

All in all it was a great trip but no fish (unless you count chubs!).

BlueRaiderFan
07-25-2009, 06:39 PM
I tie my own worms, and they seem to hold up just fine. Of course I use them mostly on the little fish in the streams.


Never tried to tie one. I guess I should. The SJ worms I have bought aren't very sturdy.

prosigna
07-27-2009, 03:51 PM
So.....

I called the park and #17 does indeed require reservations. Also there is a change on the new maps to allow groups of 12 (by reservation) at 17, 20, 46, 60, 86, and 90.

The new maps have a 2007 date in the corner of the map. They supersede the maps dated 2008. Go figure.

Although I completely agree with the 8-person backcountry limit, imposed in order to preserve the wilderness experience of others..... 17 is a HUGE campsite and can easily host a group of 12.