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Stonefly
09-09-2009, 02:59 PM
I've read several things recently about western October caddis, and was wondering if that is the same bug that we have here. I've fished 'em a bit smaller, about a #12, in the Hiwassee,and occasionally hear of 'em in other east Tennessee streams. Out west they seem to be #8's though. Any one know much about these?

sb

Hugh Hartsell
09-09-2009, 03:49 PM
Stonefly,
The October Caddis will start showing itself in about 1-1/2 weeks from now and all through the rest of Fall until it frost hard. A size #12 will work nicely on most streams. They are noctornal creatures for the most part, but you will see them fluttering around from bush to bush occasionally during the daytime. You can tie good patterns with CDC feathers and light reddish blonde deer hair or just tie them as you would a large Elk Hair Caddis. They are one of the best dry flies for the late season. Good luck.
Hugh

Stonefly
09-09-2009, 03:56 PM
Thanks much Hugh. Then it's true that we don't have the big #8's that are found out west?

Good to see you back on here, hope you're feeling good.

sb

kytroutman
09-09-2009, 04:29 PM
stone, I picked up some 8 and 10's on a trip out West. I have used the 10's with success in the Smokies but the 8's seem to be too big.

flyman
09-09-2009, 10:30 PM
Yes we have a smaller version of the Western variety of October Caddis, or Great Brown Autumn Sedges as they are know. Same family I think, just a different genus and species P. guttifer are the most common. They actually occur in some western locations as well. Don't overlook the pupa stage of this insect. It will often leave the case a day or two before it hatches and makes easy prey for trout. A size 10-12 hook is just about right.

http://bugguide.net/node/view/85436

kytroutman
09-10-2009, 09:30 AM
Don't overlook the pupa stage of this insect." Agree, I used what was called an October Caddis Nymph that I had purchased in ID. The browns loved them.

Rog 1
09-10-2009, 09:31 AM
Anyone who camps in the Park in late Sept. thru Oct. will have these caddis flies hanging around their lanterns....they are huge and more of a Texas burnt orange than a Volunteer orange....looks like something a big Brown would suck up late in the evening.

tennswede
09-10-2009, 03:06 PM
An orange stimulator size 12 with oversized hair will do.

bones
09-10-2009, 06:36 PM
If you shoot me your address I will send you some flies ( dry and larva) I use for this bug in the smokies and Va.

Stonefly
09-10-2009, 06:47 PM
You talking to me? If you are, my e-mail is rsteven_baker at earthlink dot net

Thanks much.

sb

Troutman
09-17-2009, 10:06 AM
My good buddy and smoky mtn fly fishing guide Chad Williams, ties these for me. A very good Oct. caddis dry fly pattern.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/gltroutman/SD531518.jpg

Stonefly
09-17-2009, 08:42 PM
That's nice Troutman. Is the body made of tubing? Don't think I've seen a dry made that way.

sb

Troutman
09-17-2009, 11:06 PM
Its latex. cut out from a latex exam glove. Its a nice cream color and you can color them any way you like with prismacolor markers.
I tie some generic attractor caddis patterns and can color them as needed. This one is just tied with deerhair (notice the black tips) and the plain cream body tied on standard dry fly hook.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/gltroutman/flies2018.jpg

latex tourniquets also make nice segmented bodies on stoneflies.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/gltroutman/flies109-1.jpg

Tennessee Jed
09-18-2009, 09:31 AM
Those are great looking stoneflies Troutman!

Stonefly
09-19-2009, 02:01 PM
Very nice Troutman. How's the floatability of the dries?

sb