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pitch black
09-21-2009, 11:26 AM
hope to go camping this weekend if the rains quit, what would work best this time of year? dry flies or use a dry and a dropper? which ones, and what part of the creek ? i have never fished it before but been several times to view the elk. thanks

Jim Casada
09-21-2009, 12:07 PM
hope to go camping this weekend if the rains quit, what would work best this time of year? dry flies or use a dry and a dropper? which ones, and what part of the creek ? i have never fished it before but been several times to view the elk. thanks
Pitch Black--If you are fishing Cataloochee proper in the valley, I'd certainly go with a hopper and a dropper. But my real recommendation would be to do one of the following: (1) Take a day and get down in the gorge between the campground and the Park boundary, (2) fish one of the many feeders in the headwaters such as Rough Fork or Caldwell Fork, or (3) if you like to get off trail, try Little Cataloochee. To me, all are more appealing than the slow-moving water and "people infestation" of the main valley. Jim Casada

fearnofishbob
09-21-2009, 12:57 PM
Pitch Black, I agree with Jim, you would be better off on one of the feeder streams. If you go the lower bridge and get there first you can fish the gorge but you'll have to walk back down the creek when you get ready to leave, there are no trails in this section of the creek. Where ever you decide you will see plenty of humanity. The elk are rutting and this is bringing people by the car loads. If you want to escape this madness you can cross over the mountain and fish Big Creek. Best of luck & tight lines...........Bob

Rebelsoul
09-21-2009, 02:11 PM
I'm thinking seriously of going to Cattaloochie in mid Oct. probably the week of 12th thru 16th and would like to camp...I know that Oct is the season of "leaf peepers".
My question is,will the drive in campground there most likely be full during the week or could there be some room?
I hope to stay,but I know anywhere in that time will be busy,I just hate to go try and find a room....which will probably be harder.

fearnofishbob
09-21-2009, 02:30 PM
Rebelsoul, I'd think twice before I'd pull a camper into Cataloochee - very narrow & curvy road. I live 11 miles from the Park boundry at Cataloochee and I am in there very frequently. You can go to the Gov. website and see if you can make reservations for the time you want.....http://www.recreation.gov
The week days would definitely be your best bet... I stay away from that place during leaf / elk rutting season.......Let me know if I can help.......Bob

silvercreek
09-21-2009, 03:45 PM
Used to be Catalochee was first come, first served. Has that changed?

tjw37909
09-21-2009, 04:02 PM
According to the GSMNP website you do not need reservations for Cataloochee campground, but I was there a few weeks ago when the rut first started and could barely find a place to stand let alone camp.

silvercreek
09-21-2009, 04:09 PM
Just checked the National Park Service site. (I should have done that before I posted) It states there are 27 first come sites. There is a group site that takes reservations, and is probably the one that shows up on the government campground reservations website. I would definitely have a plan "B" for camping that time of the year.

Rebelsoul
09-21-2009, 04:09 PM
Rebelsoul, I'd think twice before I'd pull a camper into Cataloochee - very narrow & curvy road. I live 11 miles from the Park boundry at Cataloochee and I am in there very frequently. You can go to the Gov. website and see if you can make reservations for the time you want.....http://www.recreation.gov
The week days would definitely be your best bet... I stay away from that place during leaf / elk rutting season.......Let me know if I can help.......Bob
Sorry Bob,I didn't make myself clear,I tent camp,there's no way I'd try to take a trailer on some of those mountain roads. I just need a spot to pitch a tent.
During the elk rut are the sightseers there because the elk are out strutting or fighting? I don't know how elk are during a rut...I know how deer are.
Thanks for the offer to help...I'll keep that in mind.
Sounds like I might pick another area if it's that crowded....I'm afraid it's going to be crowded everywhere in Oct.
Rick

tjw37909
09-21-2009, 04:14 PM
The big bulls are occasionally fighting, but they were bugling a whole lot.

fearnofishbob
09-21-2009, 04:42 PM
Rick, you might consider Smokemont. You would have plenty of camping room plus you would have a greater choice of water to fish. I don't think you would need reservations especially during the week. I am going to Smokemont Wednesday for 5 days and then I'll be out there again in October for another 5-6 days.
The folks at Duke power are shutting down the power plant on Nantahala for several weeks and the Nantahala should be very wadeable and some excellent fishing. You might consider that area. You could camp at Deep Creek and fish either...........all sorts of possibilities...........tight lines

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pitch black
09-21-2009, 11:32 PM
Pitch Black, I agree with Jim, you would be better off on one of the feeder streams. If you go the lower bridge and get there first you can fish the gorge but you'll have to walk back down the creek when you get ready to leave, there are no trails in this section of the creek. Where ever you decide you will see plenty of humanity. The elk are rutting and this is bringing people by the car loads. If you want to escape this madness you can cross over the mountain and fish Big Creek. Best of luck & tight lines...........Bob
where is this bridge? what hopper and dropper to use? how far apart should they be? what about the area from steel bridge up past group camping? thanks

Rebelsoul
09-22-2009, 08:04 AM
Rick, you might consider Smokemont. You would have plenty of camping room plus you would have a greater choice of water to fish. I don't think you would need reservations especially during the week. I am going to Smokemont Wednesday for 5 days and then I'll be out there again in October for another 5-6 days.
The folks at Duke power are shutting down the power plant on Nantahala for several weeks and the Nantahala should be very wadeable and some excellent fishing. You might consider that area. You could camp at Deep Creek and fish either...........all sorts of possibilities...........tight lines

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Thanks,Bob
I'll study the maps of the area around Smokemont,since I'm new to fishing in the park.
I'm a map junkie,whether it's hiking,fishing or studying Civil War history,I like to get topo maps and read them...heck I just like looking at maps.
Please post about your trip to Smokemont,the only time I was ever in the area was just passing through,being a tourist.
Man,I wish I had started fishing the Smokies a long time ago,but I was into other things,I envy y'all who live close.
Rick

Ghost
09-22-2009, 04:13 PM
What are the dates when the Nantahala flow will be off? [I can't find squat on Duke's new website:-)].
Is the Nantahala all stocked 'bows? When does the state quit stocking? What fly works on stockers?
I ask for convenience since I've got a place there but have never fished it. TIA,Ghost

Jim Casada
09-22-2009, 04:33 PM
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Jim Casada
09-22-2009, 04:38 PM
Ghost--I know the Nantahala intimately, and unlike most folks I do not consider long-term closure of the gates necessarily a good thing for the fisherman. I actualy much prefer to fish the tailwater portion of the stream when the power plant is generating. You have to pick your spots as far as wading goes, and the raft hatch is a aesthetic nuisance, but the fishing is IMO appreciably better. The key thing is that the trout don't have much time to make a decision and therefore can't study what floats by. There are a several places where there are islands which provide fishing away from the floaters, and also a bunch of places where you can work stream edges.
As far as the fish, I probably catch at least half a dozen stream-bred trout to every stocked fish. There are 'bows and browns, with the former predominating, but brown numbers have increased appreciably in recent years. One appealing thing about the lower Nantahala is that it is quite fertile, has fine insect hatches, and produces bigger trout than most mountain streams. You can also fish it at night if snakes don't trouble you, the only stream in N. C. where you can do so.
Jim Casada
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fearnofishbob
09-22-2009, 10:47 PM
GHOST, local word is that the generators will be idle from Oct.1st til the end of Dec. and will start back up after the first of the year. I have not seen anything in writing to confirm this. You could go to Nantahala Outdoor Centers web site and probably get more info. Their existance depends on the power plant and they should have some dates posted for their customers
Sorry I can't be more exact........Bob
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Crockett
09-23-2009, 08:54 AM
Jim I saw where you recommended hoppers in Cataloochee Creek but what would you use up higher on Pretty Hollow or Palmer Creek right about now?

Jim Casada
09-23-2009, 09:34 AM
Crockett--Something like a Parachute Adams, Royal Trude, Elkhair Caddis, Royal Wulff, Orange Palmer, or Tennessee Wulff on top with a small beadhed Prince nymph, Tellico, or Pheasant Tail as a dropper. Also, don't overlook terrestrials such as ants and yellow jacket patterns. I don't know of a katydid pattern (although I suspect some of the fly-tying wizards on the forum will), but stomachs of almost all of a mess of trout I cleaned for the table last week had katydid remains in them.
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