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rockhopper
11-09-2009, 12:15 PM
I enjoyed my first visit to the Snowbird area in over 20 years. Forgot How beautiful the area was. What is the deal with the size of the fish?
Great dry action Saturday evening. :smile:

pineman19
11-09-2009, 12:32 PM
What do you mean by the size of the fish? I'll assume you mean they were small. The average wild trout in mountains streams is pretty small, 5-6 inches. I haven't fished upper Snowbird, but I think it's on par with most Appalachian mountain streams.


Neal

Jim Casada
11-09-2009, 01:06 PM
Rockhopper--You don't make clear what you mean about the size of the fish, but I'm guessing you caught a lot of 5-7" trout and few if any in the 8-9" class. Hopefully you did take a few bigger ones. My theory, and I spet most of the summer doing "research" on it, is that the drought of two and three summers back caused the loss of at least one age class of trout in most streams of the Smokies. I caught a passel of little fish in both Big and Little Snowbird this summer, along with some nicer fish. Virtually no "medium" fish. I'm guessing you had a similar experience. Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

rockhopper
11-09-2009, 01:54 PM
I am sorry that I didnt make myself clear, I just joined and so I am sure that my post was brief and lacking of any meat. The fishing was great and yes there were smallish fish bit there were several nice fish caught. I must have fished several miles. I will take the size of these fish any day. Jim look forward to getting your book . Is it at the fly shop at South Park? My office is in Charlotte so I am there often.

Jim Casada
11-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Rockhopper--Yes, Jesse Brown's should have it, or you can order it from me or through LRO. Jim Casada

JohnH0802
11-09-2009, 10:45 PM
Rockhopper,
I highly recommend the book....great read and great gouge for fishing.

WNCFLY
11-10-2009, 09:38 AM
I enjoyed my first visit to the Snowbird area in over 20 years. Forgot How beautiful the area was. What is the deal with the size of the fish?
Great dry action Saturday evening. :smile:

Rockhopper I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but I wouldn't mention streams like that one here. There are some people who will share open information on spec streams, but I believe they don't need anymore pressure than they already have. With that being said that is a great creek and if you want to email me I will give you info you want.

pineman19
11-10-2009, 11:48 AM
I am not trying to start a battle or anything, but the Big Snowbird is not a secret stream. From what I understand most of the heavy fishing pressure is on the hatchery supported portions of the stream. I have seen several posts on here about people fishing the spec waters, they even ran a Heartland segment on the Snowbird that featured Walter Babb. It's not a secret blue line that is in the middle of nowhere.

Neal

rockhopper
11-11-2009, 01:09 PM
I have read this forum for several years , not until recently have I decided to comment. I am not very confrontational nor do I believe this board is for arguing. However, I saw similiar comments made when a friend of mine mentioned road prong. Guys these streams arent overly fished or overly crowded. If me and two other fellows I saw on 14 miles of stream overly fished than I like my chances. There are those that like their privacy.

pineman19
11-11-2009, 01:49 PM
rockhopper,

Don't sweat it. Things have changed on this board during the last year. People used to post a lot more reports on fishing on various types of trout water, then a chosen few began to discourage such activity, some of these used to post reports as well. If you wanna post a fishing report on a particular stream go for it. It's a free country and if other people don't like it then they'll have to live with it! I mean it has become silly at this point. I can understand people not posting about blue lines, etc., but people get worked up when someone post a report about the Clinch River like it is a secret stream:rolleyes: If you ever want any information from me I'll be glad to share it with you. I am just a lackey, not a flyfishing expert like many on here, but I don't mind sharing information with people who are into the sport and don't expert to learn everything from a forum.

Neal
pineman19@yahoo.com

PeteCz
11-11-2009, 08:18 PM
I agree with Neal. Snowbird Creek is no secret. Any stream that is stocked is not a secret. The spec section is not stocked, but its also 5 miles away from any roads...

IMO, any stream that takes more than 60 minutes to get to is probably safe to talk about on some levels. If a person would rather not, I have no problem with that, but chastising someone who talks about a stocked stream or one that is 5 miles from any roads is a bit much. Very few people will make the effort to hike an hour and a half. Just because a report is posted about some far off stream does not mean that a) it will get anymore pressure than it already does and b) guarantee that anyone reading the report will have the same likelihood of success...

Besides, Eastern FlyFishing Magazine did a very nice article on Snowbird Creek in its March 2008 issue. Also, a nice article was done for the Game&Fish website detailing some of the best walk-in fishing in WNC (http://www.ncgameandfish.com/fishing/trout-fishing/NC_040502/index2.html), by a certain author who contributes to this forum:rolleyes:...

Anyway, most of the fish in Snowbird probably have ended up in Santeetlah Lake today...(after 3.5 inches of rain yesterday in the Robbinsville area):eek::biggrin:

rockhopper
11-12-2009, 11:32 AM
Thanks for the response back guys. The brookie section was some of the most beautiful water I have ever fished. I will certainly be back ( I guess I will go alone again , at risk of injury, but I know the importance of secrecy)......:biggrin:

gmreeves
11-12-2009, 11:50 AM
The last time I went to Snowbird creek and hiked in, I couldn't get a 50 yard stretch of water to myself from above Big falls all the way past upper falls. I still caught plenty of fish but the remote feel and solitude just wasn't there. This was several years ago so maybe things have calmed down or I may have just caught it on an off day. I'm impressed you only ran across two other fisherman on the trail. Regardless of that, post away if you want to. It is a highly talked about stream and the fishing has always been excellent. You could always alter the stream name in your reports and call it something like Winter Traveller Creek, Retiree Creek, or Warm Weather Fan Creek. ;)

Jim Casada
11-12-2009, 01:29 PM
All--The key factor of change on Big Snowbird Creek, and the reason I've begun writing about it in recent years, is accessibility. Since the construction of the Cherohala Highway bushwhacking into the headwaters (and poaching) is far too easy. I'm sure all of you have gone the traditional way, up the trail (actually an old railroad grade) which begins at the Junction (old railroad turnstile), across Sasafrass Creek, past Mouse Knob Branch at the head of Mouse Knob Falls, and into speck water. But there are other, much shorter ways, down Meadow Branch and other feeders. Locals know them as do others with good woodscraft skills. In short, far from being secret, Big Snowbird is very well known and really quite accessible.
Now there are some other destinations in Graham County that I'll say and write nothing whatsoever about.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

fourx
11-12-2009, 03:47 PM
I am sorry that I didnt make myself clear, I just joined and so I am sure that my post was brief and lacking of any meat. The fishing was great and yes there were smallish fish bit there were several nice fish caught. I must have fished several miles. I will take the size of these fish any day. Jim look forward to getting your book . Is it at the fly shop at South Park? My office is in Charlotte so I am there often.
Welcome to the board Rockhopper.
Is it possible that the "bigger" fish you were catching were in a stocked section of the stream?

4X

Jswitow
11-20-2009, 11:50 AM
Hey you might want to check out the Snowbird Creek thread in "Troutfishing in other states". I started one over there several years ago. Glad you had a good day of it!
Best,
John

rockhopper
11-20-2009, 01:18 PM
Thanks I will take a look at it ! I would like to ask you a few other questions about the area sometime.

Jswitow
11-20-2009, 11:03 PM
Welcome to anytime. Or email if you like; jswitow@hotmail.com
Tight lines,
John

Dawgvet
12-05-2009, 01:40 PM
I feel that I would like to express my opinion on the idea of not mentioning stream names on the board. I saw this policy implemented on another southeast trout fishing forum and I believe it hurt alot more than it helped. Snowbird is by no means a super delicate fragile hidden gem. It is a great stream and needs to be shared with others. I firmly believe that we need to encourage all fellow fishermen to get out as much as possible as our sport is in jeopardy of losing participants as its members age. Newer fishermen will be turned off on the sport, and, more importantly, protecting the resource, if they do not have good info on where to fish. Moreover, you can find out about more streams than you can cover in a lifetime through any of the better books that have been written recently on fishing for trout in the south. Most of the remote little brookie streams are too far back for most to bother with. Also, I have personally discussed this idea of "overfishing" with Steve Moore, head fisheries biologist for GSMNP. He has more hard data and a career's worth of experience to prove that angling does little if any to affect fish populations, specifically to brook trout streams (he was instrumental in opening most of the brook trout waters in the park). And do you remember how little effect fishermen had on the stream that the biologists asked people to catch and keep all the fish you can before they chemically removed all the rainbows from? Most he said are actually overpopulated and benefit from thinning out the populations. He even asked me to keep a few fish along to help with this! I understand everyone wanting to protect their favorite headwaters, but I believe we hurt more than we help by not sharing it with like-minded, conservation-supporting fishermen. The more you see of our wonderful resources, the more you will do to protect them.
Sincerely,
Jedidiah Green
PS- I am off to our local TU Christmas banquet and plan on putting some money where my mouth is tonight!