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Mr. Mike
11-17-2009, 01:51 PM
If I access this way, am I south or upstream of the part of the creek that is the TN/NC boundary? I'm trying to determine if I need an out of state fishing license.

Grannyknot
11-17-2009, 02:09 PM
When you get down to slickrock, technically you will be in North Carolina. The state line is only a short way downstream.

You will know when you are at the state line when you see Big Stack Gap Branch Trail (#139 I think) across the creek heading up the ridge.

Mr. Mike
11-17-2009, 03:32 PM
well, not the answer I was hoping for, but thanks for the info.

Jack M.
11-20-2009, 04:55 PM
If you are within the park boundaries, either states license is sufficient. Sorry, but I don't know the location you are talking about as to whether this is of any help.

Jim Casada
11-20-2009, 07:14 PM
Slickrock Creek is not in the Park, and with portions serving as the boundary between N.C. and TN but other sections being wholly in N. C., knowledge of the geography is important. Jim Casada

Jswitow
11-20-2009, 11:23 PM
If you are going to fish, I would enter Yellarhammer or the trail that enters at the mouth of the creek on Calderwood. This time of year you stand a chance of finding some big run-up browns out of the lake. They can't get past the first waterfall though about a mile in, so they will be in the lower creek or in the big pool at the base of the first water fall. If my memory is good, you can walk in and out the same way by the lake, or catch yellarhammer gap ........ but it is a tough one, pretty good hump over a ridge. The last time I was through there, there were a lot of trees down on the trail. I bet they are long gone though, it's been 10 years! Where does the time go?!
If you go let us hear about it... and take a bunch of golden stone nymphs 14's to 6's. Make sure nothing is out in your car either, historically a lot of break-ins at the Big Fat Gap parking area. You might call the Cheoah Ranger district for current info.
Best,
john

WRN
11-24-2009, 09:03 PM
Mr. Mike, Did you ever go fish Slickrock? I used to visit it few times each year. Browns you know and a real jewel in years past but I think the drought conditions in 07 hurt it some.

Jim Casada
11-24-2009, 09:38 PM
WRN--Slickrock is but a pale shadow of what it once was in its glory days. Maybe most forum visitors know, but the was this stream was stocked has always fascinated me. Fingerly browns were carried in by members of the CCCs in specially made aerated backpacks. Obviously the fish, to use the mountain parlance, "took holt." While I'm sure the two years of drought had a negative impact, the fishery was in abject decline well before that. This was once a stream with almost predictable green drake hatches in May. No more. I don't have the answer but suspect acid rain is at least part of the problem.
Jim Casada
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duckypaddler
11-27-2009, 10:10 PM
In fact anywhere in Joyce Kilmer Wilderness is ok just to have Tennessee liscense like in the park.

Drought last 2 years killed all the Browns that used to thrive there.

WRN
11-29-2009, 01:04 PM
Is any study being launched to maybe check the creeks current condition as to aside from drought why the decline in the brown trout has occurred?

Jim Casada
11-29-2009, 01:57 PM
WRN--I'm not aware of any study, but I've been familiar with the stream for decades. It has been in a long, slow state of decline, and that began well before the droughts of 2007 and 2008. A good friend of mine and fishing buddy who lives in Robbinsville, Marty Maxwell, says the stream is at best a pale shadow of what it was in the 1960s and 1970s. Other than acid rain and Anakeesta rock leaching, I have no theories. It is, however, something more than just drought. Jim Casada
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Grannyknot
11-30-2009, 09:35 AM
In fact anywhere in Joyce Kilmer Wilderness is ok just to have Tennessee liscense like in the park.

Drought last 2 years killed all the Browns that used to thrive there.

That is fairly mis-leading.....a good portion of the stream lies solely in North Carolina, including most of the headwater tributaries. Only the "border portion" may be fished with either license.

As far as using a Tennessee liscense anywhere in Joyce Kilmer....I don't know where you got that information, as most of the streams are in Graham County, NC and follow the NCWRC wild trout regulations.

Jim Casada
11-30-2009, 12:07 PM
Grannyknot--I'm glad you posted this correction. I was 99 percent sure the license was not reciprocal for the entire drainage, but I didn't want to take time to go to the NCWRC regulations to check and be sure. Instead, I just shook my head in doubt and let it pass. Jim Casada

GrouseMan77
11-30-2009, 03:58 PM
Grannyknot,

I am glad that you posted the regulations for those that were questioning. I would hate to hear that someone got a big fat ticket due to an instance where poor information was given on a board. :rolleyes: