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BlueRaiderFan
12-27-2009, 11:54 PM
Is it possible to fish from the trailhead toward the Big Shoe? Also, any fish in Forge Creek?

bones
12-28-2009, 09:39 AM
Only fished Abrams once so no info there, everytime I've been down except once there has been higher than normal water. But Forge creek has plenty of fish and I was suprised at the average size. All the books I had read said they were average 5-8 inch fish. I caught at least a dozen a trip last fall that were between 9 and 12.

Hugh Hartsell
12-28-2009, 10:07 AM
Dewayne,
It is very possible to fish Abrams Creek downstream if you chose to do so. You can use streamers very effectively and you can do downstream drifts and catch some fish. There are some problems to consider. You need to be very sure where the Horseshoe begins and have it marked with a piece of tape on a limb that is visible so that you will know exactly where to end the trip. Everyone knows how slick that Abrams Creek is, so fishing downstream is going to be a little bit riskier than fishing upstream.
My recomendation would be to fish it upstream, at least one time, from the point where the Horseshoe ends, up to the beginning of the trailhead. After becoming familiar with that stretch, you can negoitate the stream in the opposite direction and be a little safer and probably more effective if you choose to fish it that way. There are ledges and bluffs all the way down on one side or the other, so knowing when you need to cross the stream before hand will help a great deal. All that being said, consider safety above everything else and have a productive and safe trip when you try it.
Hugh

nvr2L8
12-28-2009, 10:31 AM
I'm not familiar with Forge Creek. Where is it?

Kytroutbum
12-28-2009, 11:11 AM
Abrahm's can be a dangerous place to fish. Its a beautiful- quieter place to fish but!! Look at the number of warnings commented in previous years and take them very serious. I would not fish too far down from the trailhead and would have a partner this time of the year. Have a set of warm dry clothes nearby. THIS IS THE SLICKEST STREAM I'VE EVER FISHED!!
In my opinion the fishing is just as good in other parts of the park since the trophy status was lifted.

Randall Sale
the Kytroutbum

BlueRaiderFan
12-28-2009, 11:12 AM
Mr. Hartsell,

How long to fish that stretch?

lauxier
12-28-2009, 11:59 AM
may 16,1982-fished downstream a little ways--slipped and cracked my right elbow--it was slick,slick,slick--was by myself--that place was hairy--would not go alone---that darned elbow still gives me fits--abrams is a highly regarded fishery,its a beautiful stream --what i've seen of it--tony bennett left his heart in san francisco--i left my elbow in abrams creek.

BlueRaiderFan
12-28-2009, 12:15 PM
Ha!:biggrin: I'm taking my sister. Looks like we may just hit a few spots from the bank! I'm just going to give her a casting/entomology lesson, so mabe we'll go to Metcalf Bottoms instead:eek: I would seriously like to fish it for a bit, even if it's from the bank.

MtnMike
12-28-2009, 12:26 PM
BRF, It is about 1 mile from the trailhead downstream to the beginning of the Big Shoe. Most of that follows right by the trail with one small bend around a little ridge at about the 1/2 way point. So, time depends on your personal pace.
I have fished either the Big Shoe or the Little Shoe every spring for the past several year. And while I truly love the "experience" the fishing has been less than spectacular the last couple of years. Actually my first year '04 was maybe my best year and I had just started fly fishing.
Mike

Troutman
12-28-2009, 12:32 PM
Ha!:biggrin: I'm taking my sister. Looks like we may just hit a few spots from the bank! I'm just going to give her a casting/entomology lesson, so mabe we'll go to Metcalf Bottoms instead:eek: I would seriously like to fish it for a bit, even if it's from the bank.

Fish the spring creek section instead. Not slick and better water temps this time of year. some nice flat water for a casting demo. will probably find a better diversity of bugs for the entomology lesson as well.

Hugh Hartsell
12-28-2009, 12:33 PM
Dewayne,
Here is a bit of wisdom from many past trips. First, everything that all the people who have responded to you have said are very, very true. Abrams Creek is a very dangerous creek, especially to people who aren't familiar with it. If you do make the trip with your sister, walk about 100feet below the confluence of Mill Creek and Anthony Creek and take your sister out into the long flat pool. It is not very dangerous and you can work on the casting lessons in safety. After working on the casting techniques, let her fish back upstream to the footbridge. There are some decent trout right through that section and it 's not too dangerous. As for yourself, and a later trip on downstream to fish the section that you first mentioned, it will take most of the day to fish all of that stretch properly. Give yourself some time and experience to get to know this creek. You'll live to fish much longer if you do.
Hugh

MadisonBoats
12-28-2009, 12:45 PM
Fun place to fish! Like most have said; it is super slick and the slickest place I have ever fished. My brother took an impromptu dunking and I came close a few times.

There are some large fish in there...

I liked the seclusion and privacy at the shoe...

*Always thought if you brought one of those float tubes that you could hike in from the bottom and just float back out...:biggrin:

BlueRaiderFan
12-28-2009, 01:41 PM
Guys thanks for all of the info and guidance! I have two books on fishing in the Smokies and neither of them comes close to the info I get on here. I will look into the spring creeks and hopefully we can catch one. She has never even been able to get one baitcasting, so I would like to help her get her first on a fly rod.

ukfb1
12-29-2009, 08:00 PM
As a newbie to flyfishing this was one of the first creeks to grab my attention as a spot to go. Is it really that though to wade or fish? My experince has been in rocky bottom creeks in VA and WVA.

BlueRaiderFan
12-29-2009, 08:31 PM
I know this: I was wading in the park one day just off the road by the LR and I came into a stretch of rock that I don't know what was on it, but it was slicker than owl **** and I had felt soled boots on. If it's anything like that stretch, it is SLICK!!! :eek:

Waterborn
12-29-2009, 08:40 PM
Slicker then snot on a doorknob...i've done many a slick rock shuffle to much of my embarrassment - take a wading staff for sure, but thats no guarantee it'll keep you upright. But don't let that scare ya off, I think we've all been baptized in its soft waters- maybe a rite of passage as it were...personally I like the spring section, though not much wading there - you do and you've already spooked most the fish in that stretch... doing some bankside spot n stalk, find the undercut banks here and there, or hit the current breaks make fish more agreeable to catching. Have the smokey side arm casting down and highstick in your presentation quiver. The waters can be gin clear as smooth as glass make it it tough- but a fun challenge. However, if you can catch it slightly high and stained - magic, man...there are some brusier in there as smokey 'bows go - I've got proof if a buddy of mine will ever send me the pix of his pentax - hint, hint if your reading this... :-O

nvr2L8
12-29-2009, 10:49 PM
Caught a trout last winter in the Spring Creek section of Abrams when the air temp was 29 and the water temp was 53. Having said that, haven't caught another fish there since. :redface:

sammcdonald
12-30-2009, 11:41 AM
forge creek comes down from gregory bald trail head area to cable mill area....you would cross over it when you begin parson's branch road.
two cemeteries in area of parson's branch access....boring and post

Crockett
12-30-2009, 01:57 PM
I have driven by Forge Creek many times over those wooden bridges and always thought it looked like it would be a good stream to fish but never have seen anyone fishing it or heard much about it.

BlueRaiderFan
12-30-2009, 02:10 PM
Is the "Spring Creek" section the one that runs through the cow pasture?:confused:

sammcdonald
12-30-2009, 02:15 PM
spring section is from trail head back to the wooden bridge (area of obvious beaver gnawn trees)

BlueRaiderFan
12-30-2009, 03:01 PM
Thanks! Sounds like fun.

Ghost
12-31-2009, 11:51 PM
To confirm what everyone is saying, Backpacker mag rates the Abram falls hiking experience as '1 of 10 most dangerous' in NP's. http://www.backpacker.com/october_08_americas_10_most_dangerous_hikes_abrams _falls_great_smoky_mtns_tn/destinations/12628?utm_source=newsletter01&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter01

Ghost