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flatserious
01-15-2010, 11:09 AM
Hello all,

I am planning a trip form myself and seven friends coming up from Florida to come up and backpack and fish at the end of April. I am buying the flies for everyone and for ease of purchase a large quantity against my normal train of thought I was going to bulk up on just a few fly types. SO

If you could only carry 7 flies, I like odd numbers, into the mountains for all types of trout fishing which would they be. A mix of dry, nymph and maybe a streamer. I may be a dreamer but I am a dreamer on a budget and 25 each of seven fly types is about the max on my budget.

Thanks in advance.

buzzmcmanus
01-15-2010, 11:46 AM
I know you're looking for 7 different kinds of flies, but...I would have 4 different colors of elk hair caddis flies, and 3 parachute adams, all size 16. This is pretty much what I fish with 90% of the time.

*edit* I do not fish nymphs in the park. This is a personal choice, and I do not look down upon those who do. Therefore, I have no recomendations that I can give you about which nymph or streamer patterns to get.

Carolina Boy
01-15-2010, 12:25 PM
I don't know, having landed quite a few browns in the park over 18 and 20 inches on nymphs I find that it is quite a bit more fun than watching grass grow? Due to the fact that you (none of us) know what the weather and rain will be like in advance of your trip i would certainly be ready to potentially fish higher water ie...streamers and nymphs. I would agree with (elk hair) caddis but I would advise a large stimulater which can be rigged with a dropper of course double you chances. It is rare I ever fish only one fly, unlessagain high water streamer pitchin. I would say orange and yellow bodies on the caddis or stim's, by end of april that should be fine. Call and talk to Byron, Paula, or Daniel and they can set you up for sure. I will be like the zillionth person to say this but in the park, presentation is most important period, followed closely by wading(or lack there of) and stealth, followed by pattern. Good Luck!

BlueRaiderFan
01-15-2010, 01:47 PM
At my skill level, if I don't fish nymphs, I don't catch fish. Well, I do use a dry as an indicator, but have never caught a Smoky's trout on it.

GrouseMan77
01-15-2010, 03:01 PM
I almost always fish a dropper and prefer a prince or Tellico. Dries would be stimulators, para adams & elk hair caddis.

Jack
01-15-2010, 03:44 PM
I like a teleco nymph (size 10) with a bhpt, hares ear, or copper john (size 16 or 18) as a trailer. For dries, para adams, stimulator, elk hair caddis or mayby a wulff pattern with a dropper. Good luck and tight lines.

Jim Casada
01-15-2010, 07:35 PM
Flatserious--Taking into consideration there are many variables in weather, stream flow, and the like, here's a list of seven:
1. Parachute Adams
2. Elkhair caddis or Deerhair
3. Royal Wulff or Tennessee Wulff
4. Inchworm nymph (Greenie Weenie)
5. Beadhead Prince nymph
6. Cooper John
7. Tellico nymph
I don't list a streamer because I seldom fish them, but they can be mighty effective in high or slightly colored water. Also, I almost always fish a dry fly and dropper tandem. I see there are already a bunch of responses, and in all likelihood one of them has mentioned this. If so, forgive the redundancy, but pattern isn't nearly as important as presentation. Trout in the Smokies are pretty much opportunistic feeders. Also of considerable importance is how you approach fish--low profile, using streamside vegetation or rocks to hide your approach, wearing earth tone clothing, and even avoiding bright lines. I go into great detail on most of this in my book. I would add one final thought--leave your double hauls and long casts behind. Precision and good floats are what matter most here.
Finally, tight lines!!
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

sammcdonald
01-15-2010, 09:12 PM
i'd take something yellow....yellow always works...add it and drop one of the nymphs...get some yellow sallies or something like it

Bran
01-17-2010, 12:59 AM
Don't forget a Smoky MT. Blackbird guys!

jeffnles1
01-17-2010, 10:47 AM
There are guys who fish the park a LOT here and are very much experts. I fish the park a couple times a year and am not an expert. So, with that, take what I am saying with a grain of salt.

Here's what I use most when I fish in the park and what most of my fish are caught on.

Adams (various sizes. 14 - 16)
Bead Head Pheasant Tail
Hare's ear
"Green Weenie"
Elk Hair Caddis
Any yellow dry fly about size 16.

In the fast flowing freestone streams in the mountains, size and presentation seems to be more important than color and style. In fact, I would rate presentation above size.

I haven't found trout in the Smokeys too sensitive about "matching the hatch".

However, stealth is important, hide behind rocks, stay low, don't wear bright clothing, don't wade out in the stream unless you have to, oh, did I mention stay low? These fish are about as spooky as any I've ever fished.

Also, getting a good drift on these streams is harder than you may think. Keep casts short (I rarely cast more than the length of my leader and maybe 1 or 2 feet of fly line out) and control your drift. As soon as the fly starts dragging, it's over, pick it up and cast again.

It's really not hard fishing but it is fairly technical in that the currents in the streams are tricky and one has to really keep a eye out for drift all the while trying to hide behind a rock or squat down on his knees so the fish won't see him.

This book will help you a lot if you or your friends haven't spent a lot of time fishing in the mountains. Jim has spent a lifetime fishing there and does frequent this board. http://littleriveroutfitters.com/store/product.php?productid=18520&cat=995&page=1

Hope this helps.

Hello all,

I am planning a trip form myself and seven friends coming up from Florida to come up and backpack and fish at the end of April. I am buying the flies for everyone and for ease of purchase a large quantity against my normal train of thought I was going to bulk up on just a few fly types. SO

If you could only carry 7 flies, I like odd numbers, into the mountains for all types of trout fishing which would they be. A mix of dry, nymph and maybe a streamer. I may be a dreamer but I am a dreamer on a budget and 25 each of seven fly types is about the max on my budget.

Thanks in advance.

Kytroutbum
01-17-2010, 02:20 PM
I would be lost without these dries:
1. a Mr. Rapidan- 12-14 a March Brown/ Quill Gordon imitator
2. Parachute Adams14-16
3. Elk hair caddis-#14

I usually prefer my "yellow flies" toward Mid May into summer.

I really would recommend that you carry these nymphs. The water levels were higher and cooler than normal this last spring. I normally just do dries but these two nymphs really saved the day for me in late April and Mid May right before troutfest. The water was higher and colder than it had been for several years. More toward normal than we've experienced. Luckly, I carried these as I had tied them up for heading west later that summer and they saved the day for me.

4. Heavily weighed golden stonefly nymph 10-12
5. Some smaller tungsten bead head nymphs. Hare's ear's etc. not really specific.

I'd wait to the last minute to purchase flies watching the stream conditions, etc.

Randall Sale
the Kytroutbum