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buckeyetrouter
03-10-2010, 06:36 PM
so Abby has never seen the mtn laural bloom and was talking about when that may happen.......cha-ching......a great chance for me to get back down....

now I need help....when does the mtn laurel start blooming?

thanks for any help....

bob

Jim Casada
03-10-2010, 06:46 PM
Buckeyetrouter--It depends on the elevation (figure about two weeks difference for every 1,000 feet of elevation change), but you'll find in blooming from May through early July, with the first two weeks of June probably being the peak. That's also an absolutely wonderful time to be wandering in the Smokies if you love wildflowers--it's the peak of the spring bloom.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

Plunker
03-10-2010, 06:57 PM
It starts blooming in Janurary, again in Februrary, March, April........
and it only blooms on trout streams each day of each month.:biggrin:

Hey you were looking for an excuse to get back down...sorry couldn't resisit, I ve been picking up bad habits from some of these other jokers around here.:p

Botanically speaking (generally) it blooms between may and june... I'm not sure about the geographic specifics.

After a smart**s comment like that, I shouldn't have the nerve to ask but I saw this post from you and it reminded me that I wanted to ask you about the materials for that beautiful glowing green weenie on your avatar...I searched for the recipie the other day but never found it...could you help a misguided soul?

All in fun, all in fun

pineman19
03-10-2010, 07:12 PM
As a bonus, the rhododendrons will peaking around the same time, and the wild azaleas on the balds as well!

buckeyetrouter
03-10-2010, 08:00 PM
thanks guys, we are going to be down mid June for a Christian Fly Fishers camp out so it sounds like we will hit it just about right.....

Plunker, I'm gonna use that first line as my standard excuse from now on:biggrin:
truth is she fly fishes also so I really don't need to prod her. As for the material for the Blood Green Weenie I don't know what it is called.....I found it at a hobby lobby in a clearance bin and haven't seen it since. I do have a bit of it that I would send to you if you want to try some. all I did is lay down some red ultra wire and then tye the weenie over it.....let me know if you want me to send some to you....


Bob
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l303/buckeyetrouter/GreenWeenieblood.jpg

Grannyknot
03-10-2010, 08:01 PM
Buckeyetrouter...these aren't very clear pictures, as they were taken years ago, but this was at around 3,000 ft on July 4th if that helps any.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/CodyEdrington/Citico%20Creek/Citico007.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/CodyEdrington/Citico%20Creek/Citico005.jpg

By the way...Lima, OH...do you know Jerry Maus? Just curious.

Jim Casada
03-10-2010, 08:59 PM
Grannyknot--I don't know anything about your roots, but the photos you posted intrigue me. They aren't mountain laurel, they are rhododendron, but many of the old timers in the Smokies once called rhododendron laurel and called mountain laurel ivy or bush ivy. I just wondered if you are of that ilk and whatever the case, it tickled my fancy and took me straight back to memories of my paternal grandfather--a truly nice moment of nostalgia.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

Plunker
03-10-2010, 09:10 PM
I found it at a hobby lobby in a clearance bin and haven't seen it since. I do have a bit of it that I would send to you if you want to try some. all I did is lay down some red ultra wire and then tye the weenie over it.....let me know if you want me to send some to you....


Bob
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l303/buckeyetrouter/GreenWeenieblood.jpg
I think i know what that is...or know of a good substitute. The close up really helped. Looks like some of that stuff you'd use in cub scouts to tie those braided lanyard key chain thingys. Though this stuff looks a little "foamy" and round rather than flat. I haunt the local Hobby Lobby regularly and think I can scare some reasonable facsimilie up.
If I find some that works I'll give you a shout out.

Appreciate the info!!!

Grannyknot
03-10-2010, 09:52 PM
Grannyknot--I don't know anything about your roots, but the photos you posted intrigue me. They aren't mountain laurel, they are rhododendron, but many of the old timers in the Smokies once called rhododendron laurel and called mountain laurel ivy or bush ivy. I just wondered if you are of that ilk and whatever the case, it tickled my fancy and took me straight back to memories of my paternal grandfather--a truly nice moment of nostalgia.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

Yeah, I know there's a difference, and I figured someone would call me on it. I just assumed thats what he meant.

Crockett
03-11-2010, 10:16 AM
last year I noticed the mtn laurel bloom was a lot prettier and seemingly more prolific than the rhodo bloom. The mtn laurel looks kind of pink when it blooms as opposed to the white for the rhodo.

ZachMatthews
03-11-2010, 02:02 PM
My understanding is that you can tell mountain laurel from what we call rhododendron based on the laurel's squared off or polygonal blossoms.

Last year the mountain laurel was in full bloom right at the trailhead to Lynn Camp Prong Trail (all the way up the dirt road past Tremont) during Troutfest! So that would be a great time to plan a trip.

Interestingly, 'rhododendron' is actually a genus (class of plants) that includes a lot of the azalea plants we all have in our lawns (me included).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhododendron

There are actually many types of rhododendron and I suspect that includes the various kinds and colors we see in the Park.

Here's some mountain laurel (Kalmia latifolia) in bloom during Troutfest last year:

http://www.itinerantangler.com/photoblog/images/20090528075808_rhodieblossomssmall.jpg

Now here's some rhododendron (I believe) getting ready to bloom out:

http://www.itinerantangler.com/photoblog/images/20060516212816_03small.jpg

I have some blooming shots but none of them are on the net, so I'll borrow this one:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2309/3534103439_6c7d4e3892_o.jpg

See the wrinkled, round edges on the flowers? The foliage is a little bigger and a little more rubbery, too, but not enough for me to really notice except when it's in bloom. Both are beautiful and abundant in the Park.

Zach

flyman
03-11-2010, 03:19 PM
Does anyone know what this is? It was blooming right beside some mountain laurel.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y166/flyman1/fishing%20and%20misc%20flies/IMGP0025.jpg

GrouseMan77
03-12-2010, 06:11 PM
Does anyone know what this is? It was blooming right beside some mountain laurel.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y166/flyman1/fishing%20and%20misc%20flies/IMGP0025.jpg

I looked through the books that I have and could not find an exact match. I may go do some field research tomorrow.

tlshealy
03-12-2010, 08:55 PM
Here are some Rhododendrons along Ramsey Prong Blooming in July. I caught them with a size 16 parachute Adams.

http://i39.tinypic.com/n64aza.jpg

Tad

silvercreek
03-12-2010, 09:10 PM
Jason, it matches my Audubon book for Moutain Laurel. Silvercreek

GrouseMan77
03-13-2010, 01:05 AM
Jason, it matches my Audubon book for Moutain Laurel. Silvercreek

Thanks.:redface:

flyman
03-13-2010, 02:06 AM
It looks like it may be a species of Mountain Laurel called "Minuet".

http://landscaping.about.com/od/galleryoflandscapephotos/ig/evergreen_shrubs/minuet_laurel.-CAD.htm

Jim Casada
03-13-2010, 11:26 AM
Flyman--I'm not a trained naturalist, just someone with a keen interest in wildflowers and a lot of "field research" (i. e., time in the woods and waters), but I'm guessing this is just a variant mountain laurel plant which has an extraordinary amoung of magenta in it. I've never seen one quite so beautiful.
By the way, along the general lines of this thread, when old-timers speak of "laurel hells" they are referring to thickets of rhododendron. Also, as someone pointed out, there are many members of the rhododendron family and there are many colors of the plants generally called rhododendrons, although I've never seen colors other than white and various shades of pink and purple.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

gmfishe
03-13-2010, 08:30 PM
Here is pretty member of the family http://www.grandfather.com/conservation_interpretation/wildflowers/punctatum/punctatum.php

BlueRaiderFan
03-13-2010, 11:11 PM
Does anyone know what this is? It was blooming right beside some mountain laurel.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y166/flyman1/fishing%20and%20misc%20flies/IMGP0025.jpg


Peyote? :biggrin: