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Drugcop4
03-18-2010, 09:29 AM
I am planning a backcountry/backpacking trip to Little River trail at the end of the month and we are trying to decide for sure where to stay. I will be at Campsite #24 (Rough Creek) for two nights and plan on a lot of fishing in the little river there. I am then interested in moving to Campsite #30 (Three Forks) for a night or two. I look at the closed fishing areas on the internet and it appears that all waters near this site are closed to fishing. This is above Meigs Post Prong, and pretty much at intersection with Grouse Creek and Little River. So for those of you that fish this all of the time, help me out so I don't violate the regs please. Can I fish in the area of #30 close enough to make it worth going. Thanks

Rog 1
03-18-2010, 11:01 AM
Hello....where on the internet did you see that the area around CS30 is closed to fishing...a review of the Park's main website does not confirm this and I am certain this area is not closed...actually camped and fished up that way a couple of years ago...I used to fish the Three Forks area quite often when you were allowed to drive up to the forks of the river...to fish there now almost certainly requires an overnight stay of a couple of nights...this is a remote area that does not see a whole lot of traffic due to the distance to get there...if you camp at 30 there is a vertical waterfall a ways up Meigs Post prong that requires a climb up the side but what is on top is delight...pure brookie water....fishing from 24 upstream you have a very good chance to score a slam without leaving the creek...you should definitely walk back down and up Fish Camp Prong...while the lower water is inviting walk about a mile upstream before you start fishing....you will find everything from large plunge pools, riffles and flat water....worth spending a whole day up there alone...I envy your chance to be in this area and please let us know how you fare.

Drugcop4
03-18-2010, 12:07 PM
I located the closed streams on the internet and it appeared as if the waters were closed in that immediate area.

Closed and Excluded Waters for Trout Fishing


Tennessee 1. Sams Creek at the confluence with Thunderhead Prong.
2. Marks Creek at the falls at 2600'.
3. Lynn Camp Prong at campsite #28 (Mark's Cove).
4. Indian Flats Prong at the Middle Prong trail crossing.
5. Meigs Creek at its confluence with Little River.
6. Fish Camp Prong and Goshen Creek at their common junction.
7. Little River and Grouse Creek at their common junction.
8. Road Pr on at its confluence with West Prong of Little Pigeon River.
9. Buck Fork and Middle Prong of the Little Pigeon River at their common junction.
10. Dunn Creek at Park boundary.
11. Indian Cam Creek at Park boundary.
12. Greenbrier River (Little Creek) at Park boundary.
13. Toms Creek at its junction with Cosby Creek.
14. Cosby Creek where Low Gap Trail crosses the stream.
15. Rock Creek at its junction with Cosby Creek .
16. Spruce Flats Creek at its confluence with Middle Prong of Little River.
17. Meigs Post Prong at its confluence with Little River.

Carlito
03-18-2010, 12:29 PM
DC4, I could be wrong but I think most of those areas are closed for brook trout restoration, including where you are thinking about fishing. I'm sure there are others on here that know more than I about that... but I think if you want to camp at 24 or 30 that you won't be able to fish any of that water due to the brook trout restoration program.

Rog 1
03-18-2010, 12:45 PM
I am sure that this is under the old rules...if you look at this list No. 8 is the Road Prong at the confluence with the WP of the Little River....if you look in the archieves of this board you will plainly see that members have been fishing the Road Prong for at least the last 3 years....those streams were under the brook trout restoration program that was deem a success and the waters opened back to fishing...the park's current website says all waters except two or three streams are open to fishing in the park...

JohnH0802
03-18-2010, 12:48 PM
Studies of the effect of fishing on the numbers of the adult brook trout in streams in the smokies showed that allowing fishing showed no impact on native trout populations, so in 2006 the park opened park wide for fishing......is this possibly a little game to keep people off of someones favorite stream?

buzzmcmanus
03-18-2010, 12:54 PM
There are only 2 streams closed to fishing in the park right now, Bear Creek in NC, and Lynn Camp Prong in TN.

http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/fishing.htm

I'm willing to bet, you got your information from an outdated web site. As mentioned above, those all opened up to fishing in 2006. Have a good trip and let us know how you did.

Carlito
03-18-2010, 01:01 PM
I knew I was a little fuzzy on the b.t. restoration details. Thanks guys.

Drugcop4
03-18-2010, 02:47 PM
Thanks to all, now I can breath. Just 10 more days and if I can survive carrying my house and all comforts on my back up to the campsite I will be in the stream. I am traveling with my wife and two late teen boys. If you see a fat guy screaming for a cigarette with a 70 lb pack on the trail, leave me be, and don't try to take my fly box until I am dead.:biggrin:

Carlito
03-18-2010, 03:40 PM
I am traveling with my wife and two late teen boys. :biggrin:

Sounds like what you'll be hiking with will be more treacherous than anything you might find in the woods! ;) Seriously though, it's awesome that you are getting out with the fam and your teen boys are down with back country camping. I wish I had started earlier in life.

afoshie
03-18-2010, 04:03 PM
there are a couple of sreams closed in the park. The best option you have is to go to Sugarlands and get a new fishing map and have the park rangers show you what is closed. That way there is no confusion.

Drugcop4
03-18-2010, 04:14 PM
;) Seriously though, it's awesome that you are getting out with the fam and your teen boys are down with back country camping.

Don't mistake the fact that I am no way in **** gonna leave an 18 and 16 year old boys home alone to PARTY, with the fact that they are really excited about this. One thinks this is cool, the other one cannot believe I am taking him away from his girlfriend "like OH MY GOD DAD, NO CELL SERVICE!!!!!"

GrouseMan77
03-18-2010, 04:28 PM
Drugcop4,

You need to print that information and post it at the trailhead. Maybe it will spare you some company this weekend. :rolleyes:

There are two stream crossings right before #30 that can be a little hairy. I can't remember how far apart they are but one is right before the site. I really like that one.

Carlito,

I regret that I had to work so much when you were younger.

Rog 1
03-18-2010, 05:10 PM
I know there is a tricky crossing at the lower end of CS24...really depends on how much water is in the stream.....this is where rough creek comes in from the left and has washed out the trail by the bridge...there is a nice pool on the left side of the trail by the bridge that generally holds several trout....hard not to see if they will take something...you can usually pick up several small trout in the small glade by the lower end of rough creek by the campsite....if you go higher up in the campsite there are some sites that are a little more secluded....look around and don't just plop down at the lower end no matter how tempted you are....

Drugcop4
03-19-2010, 11:32 AM
Okay I figure the water will be up because of snow pack melt, so ya'll need to specifically define "TRICKY" when talking about stream crossings. When I am in waders I am all over the water, but when I have a heavy pack and cannot breath, this is a different story.

eastprong
03-19-2010, 11:36 AM
From the NPS website:

http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/fishing.htm

Carlito
03-19-2010, 01:18 PM
Okay I figure the water will be up because of snow pack melt, so ya'll need to specifically define "TRICKY" when talking about stream crossings. When I am in waders I am all over the water, but when I have a heavy pack and cannot breath, this is a different story.

My girlfriend can cross no problem using her treking poles for stability. If your wife gets worried about the crossing, just take your pack over first, go back and get hers, then help her over. Worst case scenario, someone gets their socks wet. It's not deep or treacherous. You just have to do a little rock hopping.

Aside to Elkins... touché!

Rog 1
03-19-2010, 01:39 PM
Carlito is right....mostly rock hopping but this can be tricky with a heavy pack and no support....just look for those dry rocks....since I generally hike in in my fishing/wading shoes I will just generally walk through the water and change into my camp shoes while setting up...

David Knapp
03-19-2010, 02:31 PM
Have fun up there! The bears can be problematic at #24 so be careful. Had one tear up my tent there about this time last year...

Carlito
03-19-2010, 03:48 PM
Have fun up there! The bears can be problematic at #24 so be careful. Had one tear up my tent there about this time last year...

P.A., was it you that found someone had buried their trash right where you happened to put your tent?