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Greenie
07-14-2010, 06:04 PM
A buddy and I headed up to Greenbriar for a couple of hours last week. We got in the water at the parking area for the Ramsay Cascades trailhead and fished up to where the creek forks. We only caught two little rainbows about 6 inches each, but had a good time (a bad day fishing is better than a good day doing anything else, in my opinion). I had to be at work by 3, so we didn't venture further up, since it seemed as if trail access was non-existent for a ways up the creek beyond the y in the creek. Beautiful water, though for sure. Those pools definitely look very fishy. In fact, I assumed we would catch more than we actually did, but considering I am a wet-behind-the-ear amateur and he has only 3 fly-fishing years under his belt, I am not totally shocked.

Anyways, my question is this: where the creek forks, does this eventually come back together or is this two different branches? If it is two different branches, which one leads to the cascades, or more importantly, the trail and where does the other go?

Thanks in advance. Also, thanks in advance for your patience with what will undoubtedly be many amateur questions from me.

pineman19
07-14-2010, 06:17 PM
Greenie,

I'll assume you hit the first fork in the river above the parking area. If so, to answer your question after the forks end, you're still on the Greenbriar. Just after the forks end, you'll enter the Greenbriar Gorge which goes all the way to the point where the Ramsey Prong empties into the Greenbriar. The Gorge is one of the most beautiful areas in the Park IMO, I usually fish it once or twice a year. Note: once you commit to the Gorge you have 6-7 hrs of fishing ahead of you until you reach the mouth Of Ramsey Prong. It is a rough area to fish, large boulders and swift water abound. It is best to fish this area when water levels are normal or maybe a bit below normal. It's a great place to fish in summer, I fished it nearly two weeks ago, and water levels were perfect for fishing. If you've never fished this are before, it's best to take a buddy and let someone know where you're going to be fishing. Brookies become more prominent as you head upstream.

Once you reach where Ramsey Prong enters the main stream on the left, the main stem continues on the right. This is some of the better water in the Park for brookies, but it is not for the faint of heart as there is no trail along this stretch of the river.


Neal

Greenie
07-14-2010, 06:30 PM
Greenie,

I'll assume you hit the first fork in the river above the parking area. If so, to answer your question after the forks end, you're still on the Greenbriar. Just after the forks end, you'll enter the Greenbriar Gorge which goes all the way to the point where the Ramsey Prong empties into the Greenbriar. The Gorge is one of the most beautiful areas in the Park IMO, I usually fish it once or twice a year. Note: once you commit to the Gorge you have 6-7 hrs of fishing ahead of you until you reach the mouth Of Ramsey Prong. It is a rough area to fish, large boulders and swift water abound. It is best to fish this area when water levels are normal or maybe a bit below normal. It's a great place to fish in summer, I fished it nearly two weeks ago, and water levels were perfect for fishing. If you've never fished this are before, it's best to take a buddy and let someone know where you're going to be fishing. Brookies become more prominent as you head upstream.

Once you reach where Ramsey Prong enters the main stream on the left, the main stem continues on the right. This is some of the better water in the Park for brookies, but it is not for the faint of heart as there is no trail along this stretch of the river.


Neal

Yes, that is the fork to which I was referring. So, the two forks eventually come back together further upstream?

tennswede
07-14-2010, 06:40 PM
Unless I'm lost it's really nothing more than an island in the stream. As Neal pointed out though, there area is very rough once you are past that island. You can get out at a point about half way in, but it's not recommended. Don't ask me why, just believe me when I say it's not recommended.

pineman19
07-14-2010, 06:45 PM
Yes, the forks are roughly a few hundred yards longs, the right fork carries more water. When water levels are high I'll often fish the left fork since it is near the trail and is easier to handle. Like I said before, the Gorge section right after the forks rejoin, once you get past there it is tough or nearly impossible to get out of the gorge due to the steepness and the rhodo jungle. There is an area higher up where the slope decreases and it is possible to get out to the trail if you know how to read terrain and how to work your way through the woods. I do both for a living, so that helps sometimes when in those types of situations.

Neal

Greenie
07-14-2010, 06:46 PM
Thanks guys. I appreciate the info. Also, I have heard that it is very rough. I am still debating on whether or not to give it a shot.

pineman19
07-14-2010, 06:50 PM
Hans, is right, it's an island, both sections are still the Greenbriar.

Neal

pineman19
07-14-2010, 06:54 PM
Greenie,

It is a special place. Just take a friend and be prepared to spend to spend the better part of a day in there. Take plenty of water and snacks, etc unless you are a camel, lol.

Neal

Jim Casada
07-14-2010, 08:01 PM
Pineman19--Excellent post. I wish I had described the area, especially the gorge, in my book as well as you do in your offering. YOu are definitely right--the gorge is not for the faint of heart or indeed for anyone who isn't at least moderately fit.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com

pineman19
07-14-2010, 08:14 PM
Jim,

Thanks for the compliment. I used to enjoy and do pretty well writing in college. I write in my work, but it's mostly technical writing, just the facts stuff! Once in while I need to use my writing skills online or they will simply fade away!

Neal

GrouseMan77
07-14-2010, 08:31 PM
Greenie - you guys caught two of the three fish up there. :cool:

Any of you guys every see the sections of PVC that are stashed in a "cave" on the left? There must be 10 8'+ pieces of 2" or 2.5". Very strange.

Greenie
07-14-2010, 08:54 PM
Greenie - you guys caught two of the three fish up there. :cool:

Any of you guys every see the sections of PVC that are stashed in a "cave" on the left? There must be 10 8'+ pieces of 2" or 2.5". Very strange.

Haha. I have heard that from more than a few people, which is why I am still debating a trip through the gorge.

Also, now that you mention it, I noticed a large rock there that had 2 holes drilled into it with pipes sticking out a couple of inches. My buddy and I wondered the purpose of that.

pineman19
07-14-2010, 08:59 PM
They have a water quality station setup just below the mouth of Ramsey Prong. I'm not sure what they have going on closer to the trailhead.

Neal

Grannyknot
07-15-2010, 08:11 AM
Any of you guys every see the sections of PVC that are stashed in a "cave" on the left? There must be 10 8'+ pieces of 2" or 2.5". Very strange.

Please excuse the mess. I am building myself a little outhouse up there. Nature always seems to call at the most inopportune times. :redface:

Rog 1
07-15-2010, 08:58 AM
Pineman is right on point. While I was in college...years ago....you could still access the forks of the river up there by car...if you look really hard today you can still see where there was a turn around where the Cascades trail takes off to the left. The year they closed the road my buddy was out of shape when we decided to hike up to the forks. He gave out of gas about half way up and since we could hear the river decided to bushwack to the water. Water was too high to really fish down there and the climb out was almost vertical....Pineman is all knowing.

pineman19
07-15-2010, 11:30 AM
Please excuse the mess. I am building myself a little outhouse up there. Nature always seems to call at the most inopportune times. :redface:



Grannyknot,

Can I have the key when you your done? I'll bring my own paper :biggrin:

GrouseMan77
07-15-2010, 04:07 PM
Grannyknot,

Can I have the key when you your done? I'll bring my own paper :biggrin:

A key? You guys must have fancy outhouses in Luttrell. :smile:

pineman19
07-15-2010, 11:09 PM
Grouseman,

Actually, I was hoping for an upgrade :biggrin:

Neal

smoky
07-18-2010, 06:51 PM
i ventured up the gorge yesterday. Caught a nice bow the first cast. Then things settled until a storm came downstream. Then it was on. Spec-Fest. I didn't expect to do so well in the middle of the day, but it was great. Run and gun. Hit a hole for 3 or 5 casts and then move on. Beautiful day, beautiful fish.
I'm taking the wife up there tomorrow...

smoky
07-19-2010, 09:13 PM
Went back this evening. Water of course was super-high after an impressive early morning storm. But near suppertime, it had dropped several inches. I hate wooly-bugger'n but that's what these conditions called for. Got a nice Spec in some swirly chocolate water with a little weight on the line.