View Full Version : Free Basic Map PDFs are Back
09-03-2010, 10:22 AM
These free map downloads are intended to provide orientation for planning your next trip or just looking up some obscure streams like Devils Tater Patch Branch.:smile:
I hope they are helpful to you.
2/2/12: Decided it would be best to pull the free maps. :frown:
09-06-2010, 09:26 AM
I use these for a lot of virtual trips while @ work :smile:
09-06-2010, 11:56 AM
John, I like that.
What is your biggest virtual fish to date?:biggrin:
09-06-2010, 04:10 PM
Thanks for the maps they are really nice. You should be proud of your work.
Now what I think would be real cool would be if you made a transparent map of the smokies as a .gpx file you could download to your gps. Kind of like the tennessee landform professor does for waterfall, arches, peaks, etc.
Always a dreamer,
09-06-2010, 05:23 PM
I have to admit that I would be more likely to buy these maps if they included a little general direction. For instance the map of Tuckasegee map; If it included a few footnotes on where to camp. Where to park. Where to restock on food etc. I would be willing to pay a bit more and it would be a more meaningful purchase for me. Just a map is ok, but just a little more effort would make it a lot more tempting for me. Just my two cents on your product (sorry, you didn't ask, but I thought it might be helpful) :smile:
09-06-2010, 07:38 PM
Hey Joe Fred, can these be used in Mapsource in conjunction with a GPS?
09-06-2010, 09:44 PM
...would be real cool would be if you made a transparent map of the smokies as a .gpx file you could download to your gps. Kind of like the tennessee landform professor does for waterfall, arches, peaks, etc.
Always a dreamer,
Thanks, James. I'll look into that. I have made use of Professor Tom's impressive material in the past.
Hey Joe Fred, can these be used in Mapsource in conjunction with a GPS?
No, sorry Steve. I'm pretty low tech, but thanks for asking.
I have to admit that I would be more likely to buy these maps if they included a little general direction. For instance the map of Tuckasegee map; If it included a few footnotes on where to camp. Where to park. Where to restock on food etc. I would be willing to pay a bit more and it would be a more meaningful purchase for me. Just a map is ok, but just a little more effort would make it a lot more tempting for me. Just my two cents on your product (sorry, you didn't ask, but I thought it might be helpful)
Thanks, BRF. I am always interested in feedback. Just to be sure we're on the same page, this post was referring to FREE maps. The Tuckasegee freebie is dumbed down from what it once was. I purposely deleted trails and backcountry campsites since they are now on the for-sale downloads (http://www.smokystreams.com/downloads) (left of the freebies)* and the for-sale printed versions (http://www.smokystreams.com/maps) I have developed since. Below is part of the reverse side of the Upper Deep Creek and Forney Creek maps. It serves as the new Tuckasegee System map. There's ample parking at Deep Creek CG and at the various trailheads. There's a number of grocery and convenience stores in Bryson City which, I can say from personal experience, cater to Park visitors. Lastly, even the best of maps still need to used in conjuction with books like Jim Casada's (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com) and some internet seach of towns nearby. I offer these links to Smokies area Chambers of Commerce & Visitors Bureaus (http://www.smokystreams.com/links/#visitor_information).
Thanks for your interest.
*Late evening 9/7 update: The Freebies and the For-Sale Downloads now each have their own page on the web site.
09-06-2010, 10:51 PM
Ah, sounds good. Do you offer trails/info that can't be found on park maps etc?
09-07-2010, 08:10 AM
BRF, no not on the free ones. On the others: pretty much the same as the Nat Geo Trails Illustrated maps (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/store/home.php?cat=997), but on a larger scale so one can more easily see the trail/stream gradients, crossings, etc. Of course, this will require a lot of 11x17 maps to do the job. (A goal is to do a Top 25 park streams.) The 11x17 is a key in that they can be printed on-demand and at a more affordable price on a laser printer versus a large run on a commercial printing press as was the case with the larger Little River premium map. I am currently using Rix Copies (http://www.rixcopies.com) in Morristown. The weatherproof paper we use is sold by iGage Mapping (http://www.igage.com/) based in Utah.
One final point... since I am using shaded relief enhancements of the original USGS quad maps as a background, you will see indications of un-maintained trails/Jeep roads not on the Park Service or the TI maps. Whereas the cemetaries, ruins, etc., that appear are interesting to ponder, I caution against casual use of the old trail info for backcountry hiking.
09-07-2010, 08:50 AM
BlueRaiderFan--All that information is valid (well, maybe the "where to park" is a bit much), but the problem Fred faces, and as someone who has been in or on the fringes of the publishing business for a long time I'm aware of his problem, is one of space. You can only crowd so much information into a map before it become incomprehensible. Most if not all the information you seek can be found in sources such as guidebooks (probably your best bet), literature from local tourism authorities, and Internet searches.
To me, part of the overal experience is what my Grandpa Joe use to call "dreamin' and schemin'; i. e., planning a trip. Still, I know Fred's assiduous work ethic well enough to bet he's going to study your suggestions with care.
P. S. I just went back to the whole thread and see Fred had responded in a somewhat similar vein. As someone who has been blessed to take a bounch of "trips of a lifetime," not to mention a couple which seemed to have me on the fast track to Hades, I know one thing for sure. Detailed background preparation for any trip to new territory, especially if it involves an overnight stay, will be highly beneficial.
09-07-2010, 10:48 AM
Not wanting to get too far off track but this is kind of related to this. A small inset stating the name or location to the local fly shops might be nice. Speaking of that Jim I stayed at burnt spruce a couple of weeks ago and did pretty good on this yellow stimulator with a yellow foam body I got from a little fly shop downtown bryson city right across the street from the iron skillet restaurant. I was wondering if you knew the name of that place. It had hunting and other gear in there too and looked like it hadn't been cleaned since the late 1960's. There was a great big fellow working there that sold me those flys. I really like them but they don't seem to carry the same foam body ones at lro.
09-07-2010, 11:06 AM
Adam--You were patronizing Lester's, and the elephantine individual with whom you talked was likely Lester. Had you made many or any comments, you would have gotten a detailed outpouring of purported wisdom on area streams and fishing, never mind the fact that I doubt if the erstwhile Lester has ever ventured more than a quarter of a mile from a parking area. He's quite a character.
As for the state of the business, yes, it's quite possible it hasn't been cleaned since I was in high school. It's also possible the flies you purchased are vintage items tracing back to Fred Hall days (probably not, but I have a feeling he doesn't stock stuff on a weekly basis).
09-07-2010, 11:15 AM
Yeah that was the place. Lester was a nice guy and he was sitting right behind the fly selection counter on the left hand side of the store when you enter. There was another shop next door to the left of Lesters I think that had a bunch of clothing and women's dresses in it but also had some flies in the back of the store on the right hand side. I love bryson city and I like the atmosphere in those kind of shops you just don't get those kind of eclectic odds and ends in a bass pro shop ;)
09-07-2010, 11:52 AM
Joe Fred, I picked up your Forney creek map at LRO yesterday to add to my collection, good job as always, buy the way. I did notice one thing that may have been inadvertent. By campsite 74, the hiker guy symbol covers up the mileage between the way points on the lakeshore trail. i'm assuming it i supposed to say 1.0 there, but the 1 is covered up. Anyway, it's not really a problem, but something you might want to fix before you have more printed.
Keep up the good work!
09-07-2010, 01:02 PM
Adam--Those two stores are actually one, and I think the seamstress is Lester's wife or mother. I know my father has had pants mended and altered there in the past.
09-07-2010, 02:18 PM
Yeah, currently enjoying the planning of my next trip a week from Friday. Thinking of possibly hitting Cosby etc from Elkmont, but not certain if it's worth the extra drive vs just going above Elkmont. I would like to fish somewhere new. Lot's of choices. I think that my Christmas list this year will include a couple of these maps and on of Mr. Casada's books. Lot's to learn. Now I'm off to tie some Tellico's and some Foam Ants. :smile:
09-07-2010, 04:52 PM
... A small inset stating the name or location to the local fly shops might be nice....
Good idea, Adam. Thanks. I'll have to go there next time. I really like Bryson City.
I did notice one thing that may have been inadvertent. By campsite 74, the hiker guy symbol covers up the mileage between the way points on the lakeshore trail. i'm assuming it i supposed to say 1.0 there, but the 1 is covered up. Anyway, it's not really a problem, but something you might want to fix before you have more printed...
Good eye, ND. I just now nudged the hiker guy further down the trail. Yes. It should have revealed 1.0 mi. Thanks.
...I think that my Christmas list this year will include a couple of these maps and on of Mr. Casada's books. Lot's to learn. Now I'm off to tie some Tellico's and some Foam Ants.
Good gifts IMO, Dwayne. I hope you get your wish. Thanks
09-08-2010, 02:46 AM
Used it to locate a blueline i was missing using another map.
Going to have to make a trip to LRO . Not a bad thing to have to do.:cool:
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