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BlueRaiderFan
12-12-2010, 09:53 PM
What you guys tying up this Winter? Here's a couple of patterns I tie a lot of in Winter:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/blueraiderfn/155797_1660213499043_1048341616_31798488_5162392_n .jpg

Too much thread on that last one.

This one turned out ok:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/blueraiderfn/157011_1660198178660_1048341616_31798446_1561420_n .jpg

2weightfavorite
12-12-2010, 11:44 PM
Ive been tying all my favorite patters but im substituting CDC in them. They look great, tellico's, pheasant tails, princes... CDC makes em all look better! Ive tied over 150 so far, with my goal being 500. Sounds like alot when I say it, but I went though 400 last summer alone.. I tie more of some patters, and less of others. Ive been putting it off, but id say soon Im going to have to start tying the quill gordons and blue quills...when this snow clears Im going to have to make a major material run to LRO!!

BlueRaiderFan
12-13-2010, 01:35 AM
Impressive 2weight. I don't tie that much. More like 50 for the year. I may tie more this year though.

2weightfavorite
12-13-2010, 06:39 AM
how often do you tie? I try to tie a few every day, even if its just a half a dozen flies. I also understand that most people dont use nearly as many flies as I go through. But I have had folks lose 16 flies in one trip before, so they add up fast!

Grannyknot
12-13-2010, 10:44 AM
I've mostly been tying quill gordons and little black stoneflies.
I'll try to put up some pictures tonight.

BlueRaiderFan
12-13-2010, 11:03 AM
how often do you tie? I try to tie a few every day, even if its just a half a dozen flies. I also understand that most people dont use nearly as many flies as I go through. But I have had folks lose 16 flies in one trip before, so they add up fast!


I don't tie very often. Just enough to get me, my sister and fishing bud through the year. I do need to tie more now that I've gotten my sister into it. She can lose three flies in ONE hole!

narcodog
12-13-2010, 12:28 PM
I usually tie everyday no particular pattern. I just like to tie. Right now I am tying Mabel Abel's for a swap of traditional Catskill style dry flies. Next I will probably tie some s/h's using some Bison under fur and picric dyed Partridge. That fly was working pretty well on the Chattooga last week.

BlueRaiderFan
12-13-2010, 01:41 PM
I've mostly been tying quill gordons and little black stoneflies.
I'll try to put up some pictures tonight.

Lookin forward to it, Granny.

BlueRaiderFan
12-13-2010, 01:49 PM
I usually tie everyday no particular pattern. I just like to tie. Right now I am tying Mabel Abel's for a swap of traditional Catskill style dry flies. Next I will probably tie some s/h's using some Bison under fur and picric dyed Partridge. That fly was working pretty well on the Chattooga last week.


Way above my abilities for now. Would love to see pics.

jeffnles1
12-13-2010, 04:29 PM
95% of my fishing is for warm water species with emphasis on crappie, bluegills and largemouth bass.

I tie some trout flies, but usually end up buying enough to get me through while I'm at LRO. I did tie up a bunch of quill gordons for a spring trip last year. I tie a lot of BHPT's and Hare's Ear nymphs and Tellico nymphs.

I use them for both trout and the warmwater species in the creeks around here. Size's 14 - 18 for trout and 10-14 for the others.

I do also tie some griffith's gnats, adams and midge patterns down to size 20 for tailwaters and days in the Smokys when nothing else seems to be working.

But most of my tying over the winter wil be poppers, gurglers, crease flies, various foam bugs, soft hackles, woolie worms, woolie buggers and various flashy shinny streamers that more or less represent baitfish.

I may give spinning deer hair another try. After about 2 dozen abject failures last winter, I had 8 or 9 flies that were passable. Even the ugly failures produced some nice bass last summer so the fish are not as picky as I am, but they sure were ugly at first.

I'll be posting photos over the winter as I get the tying stuff sorted out again and get my tying station set up for the winter.

Jeff

David Knapp
12-13-2010, 05:00 PM
I'll be tying a lot of the next few weeks. I tie a lot more subsurface patterns than dry flies... Last night I didn't really have time, but just had to tie so I quickly tied a wooly bugger, a Tellico, and a GRHE. Once I get serious about tying, I sit down with specific quotas in mind. I tie Zebra Midges at least by the dozen and usually do 1.5-2 dozen per session with small breaks in between. Normally I try and come up with a list to finish by the end of winter. Unfortunately I never seem to finish it because fishing gets in the way. Maybe this will be the year that I finally just focus on preparing for the next year's fishing. I'm hoping to get out west again this next summer and need to start tying for that... So much to do, so little time...

GrouseMan77
12-13-2010, 07:32 PM
I've have been working on pheasant tails, tellicos and princes. I wish that I could tie very night. I usually limit it to two nights a week and rainy days.

BlueRaiderFan
12-13-2010, 09:15 PM
Good stuff guys! Would love to see some everyone's flies, especially PlateuaAnglers midges, bloodworms etc. Also, any updates on tying stations would be nice as well.

BlueRaiderFan
12-13-2010, 09:18 PM
I've have been working on pheasant tails, tellicos and princes. I wish that I could tie very night. I usually limit it to two nights a week and rainy days.


GrouseMan,

Going to hit an area up around Crossville (You know the one) to look for some Grouse next week. Thinking I may have a shot, but thought I would ask your opinion on it. With that many acres I figure there has to be a few. May head up to southern Wisconsin like you do next year (it's a guess...did I make you nervous? :biggrin: ).

GrouseMan77
12-13-2010, 09:57 PM
GrouseMan,

Going to hit an area up around Crossville (You know the one) to look for some Grouse next week. Thinking I may have a shot, but thought I would ask your opinion on it. With that many acres I figure there has to be a few. May head up to southern Wisconsin like you do next year (it's a guess...did I make you nervous? :biggrin: ).

Good luck with the grouse hunting, if there are any left out that way. I wasn't aware that you had a dog or bird hunted? Anyway, good for you the sport needs more participants.

Head on up to southern Wisconsin next fall.I hear they have a lot of grouse there. I think that Park Falls, WI claims to be the "ruffed grouse capital of the world". You may want to start there. It's not close to where I go but I hear it's good.

BlueRaiderFan
12-13-2010, 10:06 PM
Ah, thanks. Yeah, I have a dog. I can barely hold him when I need to and he gets a bit too far ahead, but he's all I have so...Wifes uncle is a big time bird hunter in Wisconsin. Thanks for the tip. I will consult with him and may make the trip. From what I understand grouse hunting in Tennessee is almost impossible. This will be my first trip for grouse and only third since I was a kid for any bird. I don't know all the lingo, but figured I would get back into it. I love to fly fish but I also like to have other hobbies to keep my mind busy and in my book TV is almost worthless.

GrouseMan77
12-13-2010, 10:19 PM
Ah, thanks. Yeah, I have a dog. I can barely hold him when I need to and he gets a bit too far ahead, but he's all I have so...Wifes uncle is a big time bird hunter in Wisconsin. Thanks for the tip. I will consult with him and may make the trip. From what I understand grouse hunting in Tennessee is almost impossible. This will be my first trip for grouse and only third since I was a kid for any bird. I don't know all the lingo, but figured I would get back into it. I love to fly fish but I also like to have other hobbies to keep my mind busy and in my book TV is almost worthless.

It's not impossible but it is pretty darn tough. I've been out three times to areas that I know hold birds and have not yet seen a grouse or heard a flush. If you need another hobby you might want to look into an ant farm or knitting. BTW, deer season opens back up this weekend.

BlueRaiderFan
12-13-2010, 10:54 PM
I'll stick with bird hunting for now. I tried an ant farm but it gave me calouses and those aren't fashionable. I don't like to hunt big game. Rabbit, bird, fish and the occasional beer are it for me.

ChemEAngler
12-13-2010, 10:55 PM
I'll be tying a lot of the next few weeks. I tie a lot more subsurface patterns than dry flies... Last night I didn't really have time, but just had to tie so I quickly tied a wooly bugger, a Tellico, and a GRHE. Once I get serious about tying, I sit down with specific quotas in mind. I tie Zebra Midges at least by the dozen and usually do 1.5-2 dozen per session with small breaks in between. Normally I try and come up with a list to finish by the end of winter. Unfortunately I never seem to finish it because fishing gets in the way. Maybe this will be the year that I finally just focus on preparing for the next year's fishing. I'm hoping to get out west again this next summer and need to start tying for that... So much to do, so little time...

David,

I do the same thing, as far as the list goes. My wife loves to give me a hard time about it. I have a spreadsheet that lists the fly patterns and quantities I want to have in each box. So, a couple times a year I run through it and take inventory, and it calculates down at the bottom the quantity of each type of pattern I need to tie. Probably 75% of my tying is midges; zebra midges, buzzers, blood worms, brassies, WD-40's, rojo midges, etc. since that is what I fish for the majority of the year. I would say that only 10% of the flies I tie are dries.

I will probably run through 75 - 100 flies in a year if I make it out on my average of 30 trips per year. I usually get my jump start on tying over the Christmas holidays when the in-laws are in town. Gives me something to do when everybody is sitting around talking about a bunch of family members I have never met. :biggrin:

David Knapp
12-13-2010, 11:56 PM
I usually get my jump start on tying over the Christmas holidays when the in-laws are in town. Gives me something to do when everybody is sitting around talking about a bunch of family members I have never met. :biggrin:

Sounds like a good time to head for the SoHo...:biggrin: Let me know if you are interested...:cool:

kentuckytroutbum
12-14-2010, 10:07 AM
I just started tying earlier this year when my wife gave me a Renzetti vice for my birthday present, so I haven't been tying very long.
I'm interested in seeing flies & recipes that everyone is using. Hopefully, it will inspire me to try different things, and work on my execution.

I'd like to see photos of flies that work. Narcodog, I know that you recently joined the Forum, and I would be interested in seeing flies that you tie fishing in Up State New York.

Thanks


Bill

Heavynets
12-14-2010, 10:33 AM
I haven't tried the flexible golden stone, but the other two work quite well.

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/album.php?albumid=77&pictureid=532

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/album.php?albumid=77&pictureid=533

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/album.php?albumid=77&pictureid=534

narcodog
12-14-2010, 12:06 PM
I just started tying earlier this year when my wife gave me a Renzetti vice for my birthday present, so I haven't been tying very long.
I'm interested in seeing flies & recipes that everyone is using. Hopefully, it will inspire me to try different things, and work on my execution.

I'd like to see photos of flies that work. Narcodog, I know that you recently joined the Forum, and I would be interested in seeing flies that you tie fishing in Up State New York.

Thanks


Bill

I can take pictures but I am not a picture poster. I usually email them to someone on the board and they post them for me.

If you want a great book for Catskill style dry flies look at Mike Valla's book Tying Catskill Style Dry Flies. Great book with great photo's.

kentuckytroutbum
12-14-2010, 12:26 PM
narcodog-

Thanks for the book title, I'll try to find a copy of it.

Bill

BlueRaiderFan
12-14-2010, 04:21 PM
I haven't tried the flexible golden stone, but the other two work quite well.

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/album.php?albumid=77&pictureid=532

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/album.php?albumid=77&pictureid=533

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/album.php?albumid=77&pictureid=534


Not seeing anything, heavy.

GrouseMan77
12-14-2010, 07:37 PM
I'll stick with bird hunting for now. I tried an ant farm but it gave me calouses and those aren't fashionable. I don't like to hunt big game. Rabbit, bird, fish and the occasional beer are it for me.

I was referring to deer season opening back up. Need to be more careful. BTW, if your dog likes to get "too far ahead" the birds will likely be long gone. Is he/she a bird dog (setter, pointer, lab, etc.)?

BlueRaiderFan
12-14-2010, 09:45 PM
I was referring to deer season opening back up. Need to be more careful. BTW, if your dog likes to get "too far ahead" the birds will likely be long gone. Is he/she a bird dog (setter, pointer, lab, etc.)?

Ah yes, the deer hunters. Good point. I have plenty of orange for me and the dog though. Yeah, I knew about him getting too far ahead etc but I don't know much more than that so feel free to give me advice as I can always use it. My dog is a lab. He isn't bred for pointing, but I've seen him do it. I've only trained him in the basics up to but not including the flush, but at least I have something. We probably won't do well, but I like to go. BTW skipping the grouse this year and will try next fall. It's after the 10 year peak, but still close. I have scouted out some quail fields near my home and think I have a shot at one or two. They may be sitting too tight though with this weather. I will post pics either way. Here is my dog in a short youtube film I made of him last year (he's too far ahead, but I have a training collar now...he's going to be too old soon anyway, but I'll take him as long as he can go):

http://www.youtube.com/user/blueraiderfn?feature=mhsn#p/a/u/1/un-ZjHDolMk

CB86
12-14-2010, 10:32 PM
Here's some stuff I been working on lately....
http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx107/Caleb_55/PC140397.jpg
http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx107/Caleb_55/PC140395.jpg
http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx107/Caleb_55/PC140391.jpg
http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx107/Caleb_55/PC140390.jpg
http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx107/Caleb_55/PC140393.jpg


And here's a kyped-jaw North GA bow from the weekend.That's a size 6 bugger in his throat...
http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx107/Caleb_55/169500ee.jpg

BlueRaiderFan
12-14-2010, 11:27 PM
:eek:Holy cow...that box is way impressive. My first brassie of the year (it shows :redface: I did manage to glue that thread down with some head cement :cool:)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/blueraiderfn/Fly%20Fishing%20and%20Tying/69743_1663183653295_1048341616_31804413_3581742_n. jpg

kentuckytroutbum
12-15-2010, 10:23 AM
CB86-

Those are some nice flies. I like the way you were able to get the hackle spaced evenly around the thorax.

Please post more when you have a chance.

Bill

CB86
12-15-2010, 11:07 AM
Thanks for the compliments guys. My wife took the pictures, I'm terrible with a camera. She even found a way to make my ugly flies look OK. I'll start trying to put more patterns up. The flies with the orange spots tied in are French style nymphs. They have been really productive for me lately. Basically the ones I tie are a hare's ear or pheasant tail (the PT's are called Frenchie's) with no legs or wingcase and the orange "hotspot" tied in behind the bead. These flies are very simple and very productive on both stocked fish and wild fish in my opinion.

Heavynets
12-15-2010, 01:32 PM
Sorry about my pictures not coming through in my earlier post. The instructions don't seem to match with the screen, or maybe it's just me.

Anyway, if I put my curser on one of the "?" and right click my mouse a menu appears. If I then click on "Open Image in New Window" the image of the fly does appear. At least that's how it is working on my iMac. Maybe there is something similar on the Windows machines.

If anyone wants to make any suggestions on how to post pictures, I'm all ears.

BlueRaiderFan
12-15-2010, 03:56 PM
Use a photobucket account and link them from there.

Heavynets
12-15-2010, 07:20 PM
Pardon me while I learn how to post pictures.

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv346/Heavynets/DSC00987.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv346/Heavynets/Flexible%20Stone%20-%20Golden/DSC00350.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv346/Heavynets/DSC00576.jpg

kentuckytroutbum
12-15-2010, 09:52 PM
Heavynets-

Yup, I think you figured out how to post photos. Those flies are awesome!
That crawdad looks real, and the bead chain yellow prince looks great. I've been meaning to try a bead chain stone nymph that I found on another website. Your prince should get some hookups.

And the frog?, well Kermit gave his all! :biggrin:

Bill

gutshot
12-16-2010, 06:52 PM
I have never understood tying for a whole season in the winter time. I understand the concept, but I find I tie about 4-5 flies in each size I plan to use and in 4-5 patterns before I go fishing one day. I never tie more than 2-3 the same and try to throw in variation in the patterns should the fish change something they like about certain flies. If I find a fly that works very well one day, and I am going the next, I will try up 10-15 just like the one that worked and some variations of it should the fish get finicky. I find it causes me much greater success then pounding fish with flies they don't want to eat, a hard learned lesson that I would rather fish with flies the fish want to eat than ones I want them to eat.

When I go on trips I tie up a lot of patterns only after acquiring as much knowledge as I can about the places I will be fishing. I have found that bringing my tying equipment is much more important that lots of flies as sometimes only one pattern I tue will work as well as I like, or there are newer or more successful patterns working that if I tie 3-5 of those each night my success is far greater than frothing the water with dozens of patterns the fish are not or less interested in eating.

Thoughts?

MadisonBoats
12-16-2010, 11:52 PM
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Nice crawfish pattern! How does it fish?

Heavynets
12-17-2010, 11:07 AM
It's heavy and gets down quick. I'm currently tying a smaller version of the one shown.

So far I've caught a 21" carp, 21.5" catfish, 18" smallmouth and a 28" steelhead with it.

Several nice bass have been caught on the "froggy" and even some bluegill. Hard to see in the picture, but it's laminated with white foam on the bottom and green on top.

flyman
12-17-2010, 12:37 PM
The bead chain has the wheels turning, nice looking flies:smile:

MadisonBoats
12-17-2010, 04:51 PM
It's heavy and gets down quick. I'm currently tying a smaller version of the one shown.

So far I've caught a 21" carp, 21.5" catfish, 18" smallmouth and a 28" steelhead with it.

Several nice bass have been caught on the "froggy" and even some bluegill. Hard to see in the picture, but it's laminated with white foam on the bottom and green on top.

Neat! My biggest problem with the crawfish patterns I have tied is their mechanics. Most of mine want to roll over or spin in circles during the retrieval process. I assume that those front weights on your fly help equalize this issue?

David Knapp
12-17-2010, 10:21 PM
I have never understood tying for a whole season in the winter time. I understand the concept, but I find I tie about 4-5 flies in each size I plan to use and in 4-5 patterns before I go fishing one day. I never tie more than 2-3 the same and try to throw in variation in the patterns should the fish change something they like about certain flies. If I find a fly that works very well one day, and I am going the next, I will try up 10-15 just like the one that worked and some variations of it should the fish get finicky. I find it causes me much greater success then pounding fish with flies they don't want to eat, a hard learned lesson that I would rather fish with flies the fish want to eat than ones I want them to eat.

When I go on trips I tie up a lot of patterns only after acquiring as much knowledge as I can about the places I will be fishing. I have found that bringing my tying equipment is much more important that lots of flies as sometimes only one pattern I tue will work as well as I like, or there are newer or more successful patterns working that if I tie 3-5 of those each night my success is far greater than frothing the water with dozens of patterns the fish are not or less interested in eating.

Thoughts?

I always tie lots of flies when its a pattern I know will work, say Zebra Midges for tailwaters or Tellicos for the Park. I go through tons of those every year and know that eventually, at some time, I will need them.

Other patterns I always tie a minimum of three. One for me to fish with, one as a backup if I lose the first one, and one to give away if someone needs the hot pattern. Of course, with my luck, I usually lose more than 2 so in general I like to have more than that on hand. I always carry a LOT of flies with me on the water though...

As to travelling with tying equipment, I almost ALWAYS do that for overnight trips to the Smokies or anywhere else for that matter. It has saved so many trips for me over the years. Often the "hot" pattern is something I can't just go buy in a shop...either its my own variation on a standard pattern or something that shops just don't carry.

gutshot
12-18-2010, 01:59 AM
I always tie lots of flies when its a pattern I know will work, say Zebra Midges for tailwaters or Tellicos for the Park. I go through tons of those every year and know that eventually, at some time, I will need them.



I appreciate the response. One of the main patterns I learned (negative reinforcement from my experiences) never to tie in bulk was the Zebra Midge. There are often so many subtle changes to the fly that would illicit hooking every fish in the tailout or only hooking one or two when I could see 15-20 fish refusing the fly whose only difference was the amount of the same type of black thread on the hook, sometimes a thickness variation of 1/128th of an inch. Then wire thickness, number of turns on the hook, and so many other unrecognizable variations to the unaware eye.

I would carry no less than 200-300 flies with me (probably more like 400-500 but I don't want to be accused of exaggerating), but I also found that I would lose many flies through the season when they got wet or I guess from humidity rusting the hooks, another reason I only tied for the days I was fishing.

Lessons I learned that kept me from winter bulk tying. Minimal variations are key and will be dictated by the fish, and never leave flies at home, ever.

I still kick myself for not having my ant patterns with me one day and literally having hundreds of trout rising around me refusing anything that didn't look like an ant, two ant patterns lasted three fish, zing pow!

calebB
12-18-2010, 06:14 PM
Hey CB86,

What color of thread are you using for your hotspots? To me they look peach colored. I've been looking for some good peach shades of thread w/ not much luck.


My winter tying has been mostly involved with practicing this wet fly (for a competition). I need to start on a few fishing patterns soon.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5267644854_1ceed1b04c_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51350983@N06/5267644854/)

Caleb

kentuckytroutbum
12-18-2010, 07:31 PM
calebB-

That is an awesome looking fly. Those Bergman-type presentation flies are too beautiful to get wet. Good luck on your competition, hope you win! :biggrin:

Bill

gutshot
12-18-2010, 11:22 PM
Calebb,

Superb fiber stacking. Is that real JC or did you create it? If created what did you use?

Heavynets
12-19-2010, 04:27 AM
Neat! My biggest problem with the crawfish patterns I have tied is their mechanics. Most of mine want to roll over or spin in circles during the retrieval process. I assume that those front weights on your fly help equalize this issue?

I don't think the flattened dumbbell eyes (tail) effect roll-over either positively or negatively. I've heard that crawdads which use stiff feathers for pinchers will spin or roll over. The zonker or squirrel strips that I use help that situation. Also, crawdads pull in their pinchers to align with their body when they swim. I think the zonker pinchers therefore gives a more realistic representation of a swimming crawdad.

However, I alway have to remind myself that every fish that was ever caught used a lure that had a big curved piece of pointed steel wire sticking out of it, so I'm not so sure that "realistic" is all that important.

calebB
12-19-2010, 02:22 PM
Thanks KTB and gutshot. Gutshot, good eyes on the JC. For the comp I am entering in Europe they require a CITES permit for exporting any animal parts from endangered species which jungle cock is. But the permit is $100 so I went with the fake instead. I painted the nails on hen feathers using oil paints.

Caleb

gutshot
12-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Calebb,

Interesting, the pale bottom and the feather fibers threw me off, too pale and too thick, but at a distance good enough for sure.

Have you thought about buying JC in europe and having it there for the competition?

How many guys go to Canada or Europe with flies tied with two JC feathers and risk being put behind bars for it each time even when the fly or feather is bought legally in the US? I have met guys from England in Canada where every fly they had in their boxes (dozens and dozens of flies) had two JC eyes, they didn't know of the legal issues...

The Bluefin tuna will likely go extinct in my lifetime and can't get a CITES listing because it is worth too much and chickens get the listing to make them worth something.....and are not endangered.

calebB
12-19-2010, 09:04 PM
Well this is a rule that the comp has.... the fly will be disqualified if without a CITES.:redface:

CB86
12-19-2010, 10:48 PM
Caleb B-
Not sure what color it is or who makes it ( it's un-labled). They carry it at a local shop here in North Ga. It's looks almost like the fire orange that unithread makes. Looks really good in the water.

Grannyknot
12-20-2010, 10:56 PM
I've been working on different stoneflies in sizes 12-16.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/CodyEdrington/Flies/DSCN2545.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/CodyEdrington/Flies/DSCN2547.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/CodyEdrington/Flies/DSCN2548.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/CodyEdrington/Flies/DSCN2549.jpg

old east tn boy
12-21-2010, 11:44 PM
Ever tie with a Lab in the room with you? She loves feathers, gets pretty worked up and wakes the chihuahua if I don't give her one to play with.

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=79&pictureid=538[/IMG]

silvercreek
12-22-2010, 09:59 AM
Yes, I've tied with a Lab in the room many times, but not in several years. Give her a pat on the head for me.

MadisonBoats
12-22-2010, 04:23 PM
I don't think the flattened dumbbell eyes (tail) effect roll-over either positively or negatively. I've heard that crawdads which use stiff feathers for pinchers will spin or roll over. The zonker or squirrel strips that I use help that situation. Also, crawdads pull in their pinchers to align with their body when they swim. I think the zonker pinchers therefore gives a more realistic representation of a swimming crawdad.

However, I alway have to remind myself that every fish that was ever caught used a lure that had a big curved piece of pointed steel wire sticking out of it, so I'm not so sure that "realistic" is all that important.

Thanks for taking the time to reply and help with my question. I will try a few with zonker strips. I made some that had feathers as claws and a feather as a tail-tip. It looked pretty realistic out of water. However; its action was like a big blob moving through the water.:eek:

olesmoke
12-23-2010, 11:07 AM
the first pattern works and will catch the brown painted fish

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/22midge/PICT0037-2.jpg


this is my new attempt with the weight between the pinchers--lots of action.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/22midge/PICT0005-2.jpg

old east tn boy
12-23-2010, 06:19 PM
SilverCreek, pat on the head applied, dog happy! What happened to your Lab?

silvercreek
12-23-2010, 07:51 PM
Zeke died after 13 years. Your post just brought back some memories.

old east tn boy
12-23-2010, 10:42 PM
SilverCreek, sorry to hear Zeke is gone. Until I got Ms. Annie in July I had miniature Dachshunds. My last one, Oliver, died in March. I was dead set against another dog but had mentioned to my daughter that if I did get another one I might like a Lab. So said daughter brought Annie to me when she was 7 weeks old and I now love her dearly. We are inseparable. Although she shows no interest whatsoever in fish, she loves to hunt. She generally sits on the bank and watches me fish or I put her in the kayak and tether her behind me as I wade tailwaters. We have a lot of fun together.

Have you given thought about replacing Zeke? My neighbor had a chocolate Lab named Scooter who passed away last year. He says losing her hurt so bad he will not get another dog but he sure loves on Ms. Annie every time he sees her. I think he might be about to change his mind.

Ms. Annie finds fly tying interesting especially the feathers. She will pester my continually until I give her an old nearly used up pheasant tail feather to chew on. Probably a bad thing to do if we ever go after pheasants. She will probably eat it instead of fetch it!

Grannyknot
01-04-2011, 09:35 AM
Tied up this little black stonefly last night.
Recipe:
Hook - TMC Scud Hook #14
Thread - Danville 6/0 black
Weight - 1/8 bead & .015 wire
Tail , legs, antennae - Black Goose Biots
Body - Midge size Black vinyl rib
Wing case - Black Stonefly Scud Back
Thorax- Hareline Dubbin "Black"

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