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fishndoc
01-27-2011, 06:07 PM
A fishing buddy of mine in California sent me this article about something called a Yellow Legged Mountain Frog, as an example of the mindset that is taking hold in that state and it's gov't:
http://anuranblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/trout-impacts-on-yosemite-streams.html

The findings of this study serve as yet another example of the considerable impacts of trout introductions on Sierra Nevada aquatic ecosystems. Given the almost complete absence of watersheds anywhere in the Sierra Nevada that haven't been stocked with trout, it is clear that we need to think about how to restore at least some entire watersheds to their historic fishless condition
and, in the comments to the article:
Unfortunately, a halt to stocking will not be sufficient to remove trout from those streams and lakes where they have been introduced as most quickly establish self-sustaining populations. Those populations can only be eliminated using active removal methods (e.g., gill nets in lakes, electrofishing and piscicides in streams)
:mad:
I'm afraid this stuff is in our future, as well,

Wayne

Knothead
01-27-2011, 07:45 PM
Would someone explain to me how these people know that there were fishless streams in the Sierras? The quality of stupidity in this country is amazing!

Corbo
01-30-2011, 10:58 PM
Special Interest Groups (mostly liberal) are the tail that wags the Government dog.

We have become a country of too many supposedly good ideas that all seek a government remedy and money; the State and Federal bureaucracy readily accepts and endorses any idea or notion put forth by anyone claiming a constituency that makes them more powerful, gives them a bigger budget and usurps more of our liberty.

Anyone remember the snail darter?

Grannyknot
01-31-2011, 09:18 AM
Anyone remember the snail darter?

Let's talk about what a huge booming success story that project has become.

Knothead
01-31-2011, 11:58 AM
Sort of like the Cherohala Skyway from the Tellico River and Robbinsville, NC. Has it made any impact on the economy in that area? I have driven it twice. The first time we saw two vehicles- parked just over the NC state line. Deer hunter, I'm thinking. We didn't see anything until we were almost to R'ville. The second time we probably saw 8 or 10 cars between R'ville and the Tellico River.
Snail darter? Do they taste like chicken?

Jim Casada
02-02-2011, 09:18 AM
John--The Cherohala Highway was not only a boondoggle in terms of use (although it does get considerable crotch rocket traffic in the summer); it did considerable harm to the fishery in that whole drainage area. Did you happen to notice the $750,000 "crossing" for flying squirrels towards the upper end? The sheer stupidity of today's environmentalists, and, sadly, of too many so-called wildlife biologists (especially those fresh out of college) is beyond comprehension.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

NDuncan
02-02-2011, 11:02 AM
$750,000 for a squirrel crossing? I'm in the wrong business...

Corbo
02-02-2011, 07:15 PM
I'll bet there are annual management, operation and maintenance expenses on that critter crossing and I would like to bid on these services.

Crockett
02-03-2011, 09:32 AM
How did they spend 750k for that I can only imagine a sign? I have driven the skyway a few times but missed it. Is it a wildlife overpass or something?

GrouseMan77
02-03-2011, 05:57 PM
How did they spend 750k for that I can only imagine a sign? I have driven the skyway a few times but missed it. Is it a wildlife overpass or something?

Adam, next time your up there look for some out of place poles on the sides of the road. I think the flying squirrels are supposed to glide from one to another. It's pretty goofy.

whitefeather
02-15-2011, 10:46 PM
A flying squirrel trans-avenue airport! What will they think of next to waste taxpayers money on?

kentuckytroutbum
02-16-2011, 09:26 AM
What will they think of next to waste taxpayers money on?

Well, they seem to find lots of ways to do it. Look at our National Debt! :frown:

Bill

whitefeather
02-16-2011, 08:27 PM
Well, they seem to find lots of ways to do it. Look at our National Debt! :frown:

Bill

Bill,

I'd rather not, it's too scary and that big number leaves my eyes blurry and out of focus. But I'm with ya on that one! They seem bent on financial suicide so we all suffer!

JohnH0802
02-17-2011, 12:59 PM
Let me tell you about the Fairy Shrimp in Southern CA. This small shrimp is in vernal pools, (low spots that can hold water from infrequent spring rains). These shrimp hatch, develope, and breed in as little as a week or two. On Marine Corps Base, Camp Pendleton there were several Artillery Firing Areas that were off limits to firing due to fairy shrimp habitat.

We could drive through these areas, train there, but could not do any digging. You are not allowed to fire a howitzer without digging in the spades, and thus we could not use these artillery firing areas to fire artillery. I happened to be doing a recon of a particular artillery firing area on the top of a ridge on the north end of the base. This artillery firing area could not be used because of fairy shrimp, and vernal pools. As luck would have it I was there right after an infrequent spring rain. I looked around and there were two low spots or depressions that had collected water on the reverse slope of the ridge. When I looked closer I realized that these low spots were old fox holes. The shape of the depressions and the C-rat debris and spent M-1 spring clips showed me that they were pretty old fox holes.

As it happened, one of the base naturalist stopped by while I was there. I showed him the two depressions that had collected water and discussed with him the fact that it was digging in the first place that had made these depressions and that just maybe, allowing us to dig in our howitzers would actually increase the number of vernal pools in the area, seeing has how the only two present were old fox holes. He did not have much to say.

Later on that day I got a call from my Battalion Commander, who had gotten a call from the Regimental Commander about some Captain interfering a base naturalist and causing him to have to stop working for the day. I explained myself to the Regimental Commander. Apparently me just having a normal conversation with the naturalist caused him to take the rest of the day off.

Also in Southern CA, landowners that own land bordering Mexico have sued the Border Patrol for driving over their land. When the border patrol drives over thier land, it leaves depressions, and when it rains, these depressions turn into vernal pools, and then the landowner looses the use of his land. These lawsuits forced the Border Patrol to disc thier tire tracks so that the landowners did not loose the use of thier land.

One other note on this. I had a conversation with another naturalist on Camp Pendleton at another AFA. It was the middle of the day, and as we were talking and looking over the area we saw no less than 4 coyotes within 100 yards of us. I made the comment to the naturalist that it was not our activity that was having an impact on the population of kangaroo rats, but the overpopulation of coyotes. He laughed, but the live fire range in the same area stayed closed to training due to kangaroo rats.

John

kentuckytroutbum
02-17-2011, 05:59 PM
JEEEEEEZZZZZ! What will they think of next? :frown:

Ft. Knox, 30 miles south of Louisville, used to be the home of the US Army Armor Training Center, before they moved it to Ft. Benning a few months ago. On cloudy nights, with low clouds and the right conditions, you could hear the thunder of the tanks, and the exploding rounds at the impact ranges. The sound was bouncing off the clouds all the way to the Louisville area.

I had several friends who were company or battalion commanders tell me that some of the best deer hunting on the base was adjacent to the impact areas. They would sit in the turrets of their tanks and watch the deer feeding in the early morning mist.
When the first round was fired, the deer were gone. As soon as they finished, the deer would come back and continue feeding.
Obviously, the deer were wise to the exploding ordnance, and it didn't seem to hurt the deer herds any. Go Figure.

Ft. Knox would have their own deer hunting season, separate from the statewide seasons. It was managed by the Base Recreation Office for recreation and population control of the deer herds. You could apply for a permit to hunt on the base for a reasonable fee. Shotguns, with buckshot or slugs only.

Knothead
02-22-2011, 07:46 PM
Wouldn't it be cheaper to hire police officers to direct squirrel traffic? It would create a number of jobs- officers to direct squirrel traffic, clerks to keep records, mechanics to maintain the vehicles, dealers who would sell the vehicles, inspectors to ensure that everything is conducted according to law, accountants to keep track of funds, EPA and USFWS people to do their thing. Now that I think of it, it would be cheaper to put up poles. At least the poles don't take 2 hour coffee breaks and get three day weekends.

kentuckytroutbum
02-23-2011, 10:03 AM
Sounds like the CCC that Roosevelt established to get the economy going in the 1930"s, put people to work, and build the infrastrure at GSMNP and other parks. Make work = more jobs & taxes. :rolleyes: