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rbreedi1
02-28-2011, 06:38 PM
How do you guys fish these small midges? I'm going to fish the clinch this coming weekend and I want to become more efficient with these. I have had limited success and would appreciate all knowledge you can give like depth, size, weight or no weight, indicators, where to fish (riffle, run, pool) ect. I have a few zebra midges in size 18 and 20 Thanks guys for your help.

ChemEAngler
02-28-2011, 06:44 PM
How do you guys fish these small midges? I'm going to fish the clinch this coming weekend and I want to become more efficient with these. I have had limited success and would appreciate all knowledge you can give like depth, size, weight or no weight, indicators, where to fish (riffle, run, pool) ect. Thanks guys for your help.

Personally I fish them in tandem with multiple midges. Probably 95% of the time my midge fishing is in slow deep pools. By slow and deep I mean my indicator is usually set at least 4' above the bottom fly, and the current is so slow you can take a break and eat a sandwich before you have to cast again. Ok, so maybe that last analogy was a bit extreme, but you get the point. Midges are most common in the slower moving water, but this also requires lighter tippet. So, I typically use a 9' 5X leader with a 3' 6X fluoro tippet attached to the end. Then any additional flies are dropped about 12" below that fly. Nothing will help more than getting out there and making an obvious attempt at learning how to midge fish. I did this 3 years ago, and I have reaped the benefits from it 10-fold. It is amazing how often the lessons I have learned from those painful days of midge fishing have helped me on all the area tailwaters, and even occasionally in the Smokies.

Hope this helps.

BIGBR
02-28-2011, 06:49 PM
A lot of people use #18 black w/ red wire gold head or #18 black w/ silver wire silver head. I like to fish them 1.5' - 4' below a dry fly. Use something you can see like a #14 or 16 parachute. Any fly that you can see well will work. I like the faster water around shoals but a lot of guys fish the slower water. There was a post a few days ago by troutslayer3393 where he was fishing slower water and caught some nice fish. If you use yarn as your indicator i would use the smallest piece i could, but thats just me, i don't like using a tennis ball for an indicator.

troutslayer3393
02-28-2011, 06:51 PM
The midges in the 18 th 20 that you have are the way to go. To catch the large fish I prefer to fish the deeper, slower runs. I usually fish 2 midges about 4-5 feet below an indicator for the deeper water.

For me, the two biggest keys for success on the clinch(or any tailwater)
Is #1-Dont get seen by the fish
#2-Make sure your drifts are drag free

Black/silver, Red/silver, and olive zebra midges have been the best colors for me recently.

Hope you wear em' out:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

fourx
02-28-2011, 07:54 PM
To fish a dropper the easiest knot to secure your bottom fly to the top is:
Substitute your index finger for an imaginary hook eye. Loop your tippet material around your finger and tie a loose version of whatever knot you would normally tie to a hook eye (I prefer the improved clinch knot). Slip this premade knot off your index finger and loop over your hook bend on the upper fly. Wet, cinch slowly, and clip the tag end. I separate my top and bottom fly by 8"-10". I feel a short span tangles less.

I fish a tandem rig nearly everywhere/everytime I fish subsurface. Not only does it give the trout two choices for meals but, (IMO) most importantly, you are adding extra weight that happens to also have a hook in it.
Another thing, slow your cast down if you don't want to get tangled up all day.
As far as best water? Move around! Sometimes they're in the shallows and sometime in the troughs. 50ft. can make the difference in some areas.
Best of luck. When you've got the right bug, rig, and drift, midge fishing is the easiest fishing there is with a fly.
Heck, rent a video, youtube-it, or buy a book and that'll help too.

4X

rbreedi1
02-28-2011, 08:10 PM
Thanks for the information guys, it is extremely helpful. I greatly appreciate it. Looking forward to giving these midges another whirl.

JoelO
02-28-2011, 08:25 PM
General rule of thumb (to be modified based on stream speed) is to drop your fly 1.5 times the water depth. I like to use a dry fly as an indicator if I'm fishing the same water depth but since you can't move the dry up or down to change the depth of your midges its sometimes preferable to use an indicator (ball type or yarn).

MadisonBoats
02-28-2011, 09:47 PM
For me, the two biggest keys for success on the clinch(or any tailwater)
Is #1-Dont get seen by the fish
#2-Make sure your drifts are drag free


Exactly and well put!

*This one does pretty well too...I just revised this pattern.:biggrin:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/185706_10150157030233319_718858318_8165123_2672718 _n.jpg

rbreedi1
02-28-2011, 10:35 PM
Good looking pattern there Shawn!

troutslayer3393
02-28-2011, 10:57 PM
WOW! Shawn......That looks like the real thing. Is that finger nail polish over it? and/or what is the best stuff to use to get that look?

gutshot
03-01-2011, 12:32 AM
Great advice. One personal difference for me. I fish midges in faster and shallower water (<4 feet) generally speaking. I find the fish respond better to it in these depths. Deeper water to 15 feet or so shows better results with pheasant tail nymphs, scuds, sowbugs, or other patterns.

Why?

I think the midges are in the faster water and there is larger aquatic life in the slower water. The big bugs work in deeper water and I vary their size depending upon clarity, speed, and fish response, make them obvious for cruising fish. I will fish the largest pattern they will eat as it holds the fish better and may also allow for a larger class tippet. I have fished scuds up to #8 hooks and broken off fish on 10lb tippet...

Use a very long leader >15 feet at least, I can stand the fish seeing me more than they will stand the fly line going over their heads.

I fish the largest indicator I can get away with but I fish a very small one in water less than 4 feet and I try to use browns, greens, and blues, in the shallow water. Over 6 feet I use bright orange or reds to help me with long drifts over the length of my entire fly line plus some backing. I only fish one fly at a time. You lose less flys that way and end up catching more fish. Learn to fish one fly well, don't hope two poorly fished might improve your chances.

#1 drag free drift. If you can't do it, you are wasting your time until you learn how to make it happen. You can stand in good water and catch fish at your feet. They don't care. Let the line drift down below you until you learn how to make perfect drag free drifts the length of your fly line. Then learn to cast and make them drag free.

I caught over thirty trout one day within five feet of a buddy's feet. He was standing in waist deep current. Those fish saw him. I watched them eat the fly. Now big fish require much more stealth, but those are fish over 20".



Food for thought.

waterwolf
03-01-2011, 07:56 AM
Fishing midges is no different then fishing any other nymph on the Clinch. Use one fly under an indicator at whichever depth desired. It is really very simple and also effective.

MadisonBoats
03-01-2011, 10:35 AM
WOW! Shawn......That looks like the real thing. Is that finger nail polish over it? and/or what is the best stuff to use to get that look?

I posted the instructional for this pattern in the fly tying section.:smile:
http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?p=90684#post90684

gutshot
03-01-2011, 03:28 PM
Very nicely done.

fourx
03-01-2011, 06:10 PM
Fishing midges is no different then fishing any other nymph on the Clinch. Use one fly under an indicator at whichever depth desired. It is really very simple and also effective.

How do you know? You don't fish anymore.

Regards,
4X

DBKSTONE2
03-01-2011, 08:21 PM
Madison,

That is one great looking bug. I have been experimenting some more with glass beads. I love those things! The color combinations are infinite and versatility covers butt,body thorax and head. I tied some yesterday using an opaque white/silver bead that was tied on top of the hook shank (somewhere around the thorax) to simulate the gas bubble of an emerging pupa. A little light dubbing to hide the tie thread and man do I like it. It just adds a different dimension to the fly. I would love to take credit for the fly idea but its not mine. I will say that tying that bead to the top of the shank is HARD!!! I made up a few cuss words during the learning process.

flyman
03-01-2011, 10:29 PM
I know some of you have seen this, but I still think it's one of the best introductory articles on midges I've ever seen.
http://www.flyfisherman.com/content/midge-tailwater-trout/1



I also recently found this guys blog while searching for midge patterns, he ties some great ones and has some great advice on fishing them.

http://poudrecanyonchronicles.blogspot.com/2010/11/essential-midge-patterns-red-hot.html

Midge fishing has some special flies, knots, and techniques. I suggest you hire a guide that fishes tail waters or pair up with some of these guys that fish tail waters regularly. A day spent with a good midge fisherman can steepen the learning curve considerably.

BIGBR
03-03-2011, 10:25 PM
HERES A COOL LINK TO READ ALL ABOUT MIDGES.http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/flies/oswald_midges_in_paradise.aspx

Mundele
03-10-2011, 11:11 PM
Personally I fish them in tandem with multiple midges. Probably 95% of the time my midge fishing is in slow deep pools. By slow and deep I mean my indicator is usually set at least 4' above the bottom fly, and the current is so slow you can take a break and eat a sandwich before you have to cast again. Ok, so maybe that last analogy was a bit extreme, but you get the point. Midges are most common in the slower moving water, but this also requires lighter tippet. So, I typically use a 9' 5X leader with a 3' 6X fluoro tippet attached to the end. Then any additional flies are dropped about 12" below that fly. Nothing will help more than getting out there and making an obvious attempt at learning how to midge fish. I did this 3 years ago, and I have reaped the benefits from it 10-fold. It is amazing how often the lessons I have learned from those painful days of midge fishing have helped me on all the area tailwaters, and even occasionally in the Smokies.

Hope this helps.

By "Learn to fish Midges" do you mean without an indicator or dry?