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GrouseMan77
03-01-2011, 09:33 PM
First attempt at spinning hair and tying a speck. I'm not satisfied at all but I think it will hunt. I glad I didn't have a timer going and I doubt this is one that I could tie in church (colorful language).

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5013/5490055595_2ab1ef18aa_b.jpg

MadisonBoats
03-02-2011, 09:40 AM
First attempt at spinning hair and tying a speck. I'm not satisfied at all but I think it will hunt. I glad I didn't have a timer going and I doubt this is one that I could tie in church (colorful language).



Jason,
Spinning hair drives me crazy too:rolleyes:. It seems like it always has a mind of its own. I have been working on some Serendipity Patterns and it seems wasteful that you have to cut away so much material to create the pattern. One think I found that is helpful is to have a good-sharp old-school razor blade to trim the hair. I was trying to use my scissors and they were not sharp enough. The razor made a great difference. Keep sharing your patterns if you do not mind...(?) I am new to spinning hair and I need some pointers.

flyman
03-02-2011, 10:27 AM
That looks like a pretty good first attempt to me. Having the right hair makes a big difference. The hair needs to be hollow right down to the tips. Check out Walter Babb tying them at Troutfest this year, like everything else he ties, he makes it look easy.

Grannyknot
03-02-2011, 10:48 AM
J...looks pretty darn good.
The best tips I received on spinning hair were to put the clump of hair at a 45 deg angle on the hook, then make 2 loose wraps, and make the 3rd one tight and pull it down to start the spin. I've also found that the hair spins easier on a bare hook shank than one that has thread wound around it. I still use scissors (curved) to trim the hair. I tried exacto knives, but i'm still no good at trimming with blades.

Flyman...what sort of hair do you find works best for this fly?

GrouseMan77
03-02-2011, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the kind words.

Flyman...what sort of hair do you find works best for this fly?

I've been advised to get some caribou hair.
Flyman probably uses his back hair. :biggrin:

Heavynets
03-02-2011, 11:46 AM
This link will take you to a lengthy pod cast with Chris Helm. He gives a lot of details on spinning deer hair.

http://flyfishohio.com/Chris_Helm_Interview.htm

donwinn
03-02-2011, 06:03 PM
Thanks for the kind words.



I've been advised to get some caribou hair.
Flyman probably uses his back hair. :biggrin:

No, I think he probably uses caribou. Flyman is too much of a "fashion icon" not to utilize the appropriate fashion material in the flies he ties. You can see what I mean in a picture he submitted in the 30" brown thread.

I wear a customized pair of overhauls when I'm fishing:biggrin:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/easterbunny-06/March%20of%20Dimes%20Tie-A_Thon/HillbillyOveralls.jpg
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GrouseMan77
03-02-2011, 09:22 PM
Donn, Flyman's belly is waaaay more defined that that guy's. :rolleyes:

flyman
03-02-2011, 10:24 PM
Thanks for the kind words.

I've been advised to get some caribou hair.
Flyman probably uses his back hair. :biggrin:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/nepal_flyfishing_guru/redneck-nascar-tribute.jpg
Well my secret is out, I got the idea when I started shaving my NASCAR hero's number before each race.:biggrin: I've been thinking about some other types of body hair, but most of it is too curly.:biggrin:


Really Caribou is great, so is cow elk, and mule deer. Look for hair that is hollow all the way to the tips. You can look at a patch of hair and judge how much of it is hollow by how far down the shaft the black or dark tip extends. Lighter hair is usually better. Chris Helm is the man when it comes to hair, the link given with an interview with his is well worth a listen.

gutshot
03-03-2011, 12:00 AM
I've been advised to get some caribou hair.


Don't do it. Caribou is soft hair with lots of waste and not that great. For your small stuff, I like that use northern whitetail or coastal blacktail. Belly hair is shorter in many cases if you can stand the white or just get it dyed.

Some places sell 2x10 inch strips or some such sizes, a real deal if you plan on tying a lot.

Get a tool to pack the hair, don't do too many wraps with your thread (3) max, and use disposable razor blades. I get the two sided and the one sided for different applications. For rounded body work the two sided can be bend for a better cut. For the flat underside or cutting up against the hook the one sided blade has more stability.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn96/stillinscrubs3/IMG_1044.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn96/stillinscrubs3/IMG_1043.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn96/stillinscrubs3/IMG_1046.jpg

flyman
03-03-2011, 12:19 AM
Since the speck is actually a wet fly I wouldn't pack the hair.

gutshot
03-03-2011, 11:53 AM
Then caribou might be a good idea. Lol

flyman
03-03-2011, 01:20 PM
Couple interesting links about hair:smile:
http://www.flyfisherman.com/content/tying-caribou-hair


A speck always looked quite a bit like an irresistible to me:smile:
http://globalflyfisher.com/staff/helm/selecting/types.html

gutshot
03-03-2011, 02:35 PM
Nice article, for the caribou hair lobby. After tying dozens and dozens of bombers for an Atlantic salmon trip with caribou, deer, and elk. One thing stood out. Caribou was crap. Those flys were not worth a thing and were a waste of time tying. the caribou hair cost about three times as much, also.

flyman
03-03-2011, 09:28 PM
OK Gutshot you win:biggrin: I'll be sure to use something else if I tie any bombers. I sure would like to catch a Salmon on a dry fly:smile: I've never caught an Atlantic, only caught Pacific species so far.

GrouseMan77
03-03-2011, 10:18 PM
The peeing match can be cancelled.

I've ordered some caribou to try. Like I said this is my first attempt at spinning so I am no where near expert level.

The two recipes that I have say that caribou is a great material for spinning. Two pretty knowledgable guys: Ian Rutter & Walter Babb.

donwinn
03-09-2011, 07:15 PM
GrouseMan77,

I don't know about salmon flies, but Flyman is pretty good at tying trout flies. Check out the Little River Journal for examples and most of the eastern fly fishing show's (including Troutfest) tyer list for proof.

Walter Babb, Ian Rutter, and Flyman - that is a good enough for me.

By the way, I am very envious of anyone who has had the pleasure of fishing for salmon - Atlantic or Pacfic.