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Bubbatn
03-09-2011, 01:18 PM
Just wondering what you guys thought the water conditions would be like up in the smokies this weekend with all the recent rain? I'm dying to get out, but I figure the tailwaters will be flowing hard all weekend(correct me if I may be wrong). Just trying to explore other options. :smile: Thanks

a_garrett82
03-09-2011, 01:27 PM
I'm wondering about this also. I had planned on camping at Elkmont an fishing Thunderhead and Sams....now I'm not sure.

GrouseMan77
03-09-2011, 01:39 PM
I'd say that you won't be able to fish (wade) the tailwaters for a while. Most of the park streams will likely be running pretty high this weekend. The water levels can fall pretty fast but the ground is saturated. There is also some cold weather moving in.

If the water is rolling down Sam's Creek and Thunderhead I'd find something else to fish. Pretty steep grade up there.

a_garrett82 - is your avatar from over on Hazel Creek?

ChemEAngler
03-09-2011, 02:16 PM
Depending on how soon these showers get out of here will determine how far up and how small of a stream I would start searching for.

I plan to go Friday afternoon, and I have laid out a plan with three different options based on how much water we get between now and tomorrow. Seems that every time I have tried to get up there and fish the water has been too high to fish any of the larger streams. So, I end up going up into the smaller headwaters and trying for the really small fellas. Elkmont was definitely on my list for Friday, but I seriously doubt that the water levels will be what I want by then. So, looks like I am heading to another headwater again.

I miss the Clinch, but am taking full advantage of the early spring hatches in the mountains. Something that I have not taken the time to enjoy in recent years.

a_garrett82
03-09-2011, 02:41 PM
a_garrett82 - is your avatar from over on Hazel Creek?[/QUOTE]


Sure is....heading back that way in 43 days. Hopefully Bone Valley campsite will be open.

GrouseMan77
03-09-2011, 02:44 PM
a_garrett82 - is your avatar from over on Hazel Creek?


Sure is....heading back that way in 43 days. Hopefully Bone Valley campsite will be open.[/QUOTE]

I was pretty sure it's what I thought it was. I may make it over there in September. Really like that area but don't care for the crowds. Please be sure to give us a report.

Rog 1
03-09-2011, 04:17 PM
If you are camping at Elkmont don't overlook Jakes Creek....even with high water the area above Elkmont can be productive...keep close to the bank and look for small pocket water right up against the bank...water about the size of an old wash tub...can be interesting.

whitefeather
03-09-2011, 08:18 PM
The Oconaluftee Gage, measured at noon today, showed a instantaneous reading of downstream water flow at 3620 cfs. The spike occurred a little later in the afternoon at 4200 cfs.

NC side of New Found Gap watershed.

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv/?site_no=03512000 (http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv/?site_no=03512000)

LR above Townsend:

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tn/nwis/uv/?site_no=03497300&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060

LR at Maryville:

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tn/nwis/uv/?site_no=03498500&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060

spotlight
03-10-2011, 04:35 AM
I was hoping the same thing planning on backpacking to #24 but I don't see fishing as an option Little River is blown out! and no telling how high it's going to get after this second wave of rain. It's 3:30AM here in Maryville and it's been coming down steady for the last 2 hours.

And the 11:00 news is calling for near 7" of snow tomorrow night in Gatlinburg??? can that be right? that's going to add a nice drop to the water temps and when 7" melts that is how much water? maybe by April we'll be able to fish in the park :mad:

The whole southeastern US is flooded I wonder if they think we still need rain:frown:

SmokyMt4runner
03-10-2011, 04:58 AM
7 inches in Gburg??

Sounds like a night hike tomorrow after work.

Crockett
03-10-2011, 09:30 AM
I will be fishing Saturday up there and probably Sunday. Going to try and hit some smaller feeder streams but I imagine they will be rolling too. Don't care if I don't catch anything though it will be good just to be in the mountains. I am quite certain in August I will be complaining about there being no water. So goes stream life in the Smoky Mountains as it has for thousands of years I imagine repeated feasts or famines. Spotlight we may have a tough time crossing Rough Creek there before #24.

steamnsteel
03-10-2011, 09:34 AM
The Oconaluftee Gage, measured at noon today, showed a instantaneous reading of downstream water flow at 3620 cfs. The spike occurred a little later in the afternoon at 4200 cfs.

NC side of New Found Gap watershed.

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv/?site_no=03512000 (http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv/?site_no=03512000)

LR above Townsend:

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tn/nwis/uv/?site_no=03497300&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060

LR at Maryville:

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tn/nwis/uv/?site_no=03498500&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060

Thought I would add Cataloochee......

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nc/nwis/uv/?site_no=03460000&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060

whitefeather
03-10-2011, 10:29 AM
And the 11:00 news is calling for near 7" of snow tomorrow night in Gatlinburg??? can that be right? that's going to add a nice drop to the water temps and when 7" melts that is how much water? maybe by April we'll be able to fish in the park :mad:

The whole southeastern US is flooded I wonder if they think we still need rain:frown:

spotlight,

1 inch of rain equals 10 inches of snow or 7 inches of snow equals .7 inches of rain.

duckypaddler
03-10-2011, 11:54 AM
I will be fishing Saturday up there and probably Sunday. Going to try and hit some smaller feeder streams but I imagine they will be rolling too. Don't care if I don't catch anything though it will be good just to be in the mountains. I am quite certain in August I will be complaining about there being no water. So goes stream life in the Smoky Mountains as it has for thousands of years I imagine repeated feasts or famines. Spotlight we may have a tough time crossing Rough Creek there before #24.

Be careful on the feeders streams as many of them are at good levels for kayaking right now, and extremely dangerous to wade. I know a bunch of others that have been boating Lynn Camp & Thunderhead a bunch with all this rain, but I couldn't imagine fishing at these high levels. You may be Ok by Sunday, but that's just my 2 cents.

I will be happy to pull out my double boat and take you for a ride down Lower Abrams if you want on Saturday. It's almost all Class 2 so wouldn't be scary or anything. Elkmont to bridge above Matcalf might be another option. You could even take you rod and fish a few eddy lines. :smile:

Crockett
03-10-2011, 12:27 PM
Be careful on the feeders streams as many of them are at good levels for kayaking right now, and extremely dangerous to wade. I know a bunch of others that have been boating Lynn Camp & Thunderhead a bunch with all this rain, but I couldn't imagine fishing at these high levels. You may be Ok by Sunday, but that's just my 2 cents.

I will be happy to pull out my double boat and take you for a ride down Lower Abrams if you want on Saturday. It's almost all Class 2 so wouldn't be scary or anything. Elkmont to bridge above Matcalf might be another option. You could even take you rod and fish a few eddy lines. :smile:

Oh man James that would be awesome. I already got a 2 night backpacking trip planned though Friday night staying at 21 and Sat at 24. You are right about the fishing probably wont' be any but I will bring my rod and stay optimistic. Heck just walking down to the stream to fetch water could be dangerous I sure am not going to get in to fish. Maybe some bank fishing if anything.

Spotlight got a call from the park service I think saying the crossing to #24 may not be safe. I think that goes for most fordings in the park over the next few days very dangerous.

spotlight
03-11-2011, 01:12 AM
It looks to be dropping faster than before....who knows I'm with you Adam no matter what I'm a die hard or dumb hard take your pick....I'm taking a rod and I waded last year when the water was mad high and caught fish.

No matter what backpacking is always a good time catching some fish is just a bonus! The weekend of the 25th I'll be on Deep Creek with Grouseman and his wife so maybe by then it will be perfect!

I'm sure there are people reading this board wishing they lived as close as us to the GSMNP

Peace

whitefeather
03-11-2011, 01:12 PM
I'm sure there are people reading this board wishing they lived as close as us to the GSMNP

Spotlight,

You got that right and I'm one of 'em! LOL!:biggrin:

Go get 'em, guys, be careful and have a blast!