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bigjim
05-08-2011, 07:05 PM
I was wondering if anyone knew about how long the Caddis hatch lasts on the Holston?

Hugh Hartsell
05-08-2011, 08:20 PM
Big Jim,
You will see the hatch dwindling down as this month progresses on the lower part of the river and it may last until June in the mid sections. Most of the Caddis are gone by July up close to the dam. You will probably see another smaller hatch begin in the month of November in the mid and upper sections. It is really going strong right now.
Hugh

pineman19
05-08-2011, 08:24 PM
I was wondering if anyone knew about how long the Caddis hatch lasts on the Holston?

Hello Jim,

It was nice meeting and talking with you today. A little hint, check out that top run out we were discussing today. Saw a very nice fish caught up there today.

Neal

pineman19
05-08-2011, 08:28 PM
Big Jim,
You will see the hatch dwindling down as this month progresses on the lower part of the river and it may last until June in the mid sections. Most of the Caddis are gone by July up close to the dam. You will probably see another smaller hatch begin in the month of November in the mid and upper sections. It is really going strong right now.
Hugh

I agree Hugh, I have been hitting Nances Ferry hard the last two weekends and the caddis hatch has been great, hitting on top and subsurface. I figured it would be over soon, so I'm striking while the iron is hot. BTW, I did pretty well two weeks ago on the SOHO with your BWO emerger pattern I got from you around a month ago, the browns and bows wore one out, I need to get with you and order some flies for the upcoming sulfur hatches on the SOHO.

Neal

Hugh Hartsell
05-08-2011, 08:51 PM
Neal,
Thanks for the kind words and for trusting the flies. I have seen some great fish caught on the last 2-3 trips that I have made on the Holston. About 4 days ago the PMDs were hatching and the Sulfurs will be starting up "Big Time" there as well as the Caddis. Good Sulfur hatches should be starting right away on the South Holston as the water temps get to where they need to be. Be sure that you get the Tan Wulff and the Rockhold Sulfur Emerger to take with you to either river when this hatch gets under way. It's good to hear that many people are getting out now and some great fishing is taking place.
Hugh

pineman19
05-08-2011, 09:00 PM
Neal,
Thanks for the kind words and for trusting the flies. I have seen some great fish caught on the last 2-3 trips that I have made on the Holston. About 4 days ago the PMDs were hatching and the Sulfurs will be starting up "Big Time" there as well as the Caddis. Good Sulfur hatches should be starting right away on the South Holston as the water temps get to where they need to be. Be sure that you get the Tan Wulff and the Rockhold Sulfur Emerger to take with you to either river when this hatch gets under way. It's good to hear that many people are getting out now and some great fishing is taking place.
Hugh

Hugh, I saw a very nice brown caught today where you told me a friend of yours had caught one over 20". I took some pics since the fella didn't have a cam, I would estimate it at least 18", neither of us had a tape measure. I have been very impressed by the average size and vigor of the fish at Nances Ferry this year. Most are healthy and fat and seem bigger on average than the last few years> Thought maybe all the early generation has been a factor, not as much pressure giving the fish more time to grow?

Neal

Corbo
05-08-2011, 11:01 PM
Thanks guys for sharing about the Holston below Cherokee.... I would enjoy bumping into either of you on the river so long as we don't cross back casts!

This may a dumb question.... but... does Nance's Ferry area get very crowded with wading anglers? I went there last fall but couldn't wade due to high water and it appeared there were shoals up river... is it generally "okay" to walk up the riverbank next to that meadow or does the land owner require that access be only at the landing and wading up-river be the only means to reach the shoals? Water looked pretty deep in front of the launch.

Not a day goes by that I don't wish I lived in lower Grainger County; sadly I've been out voted by the wife and family....

pineman19
05-08-2011, 11:10 PM
Thanks guys for sharing about the Holston below Cherokee.... I would enjoy bumping into either of you on the river so long as we don't cross back casts!

This may a dumb question.... but... does Nance's Ferry area get very crowded with wading anglers? I went there last fall but couldn't wade due to high water and it appeared there were shoals up river... is it generally "okay" to walk up the riverbank next to that meadow or does the land owner require that access be only at the landing and wading up-river be the only means to reach the shoals? Water looked pretty deep in front of the launch.

Not a day goes by that I don't wish I lived in lower Grainger County; sadly I've been out voted by the wife and family....

Corbo,

It hasn't been crowed at all, and the size of the river gives plenty of room for fishing. Yes, you can walk along the field, never had any problem for the last four years, just follow the path along the edge of the pasture field and you'll be fine. The path will break off and bring you out at the first riffle, which is the area that gets hit hardest by anglers. I prefer going up higher, it's easy wading along the rivers edge, generally less crowded and I like the variety of water upstream as well.

Neal

bigjim
05-09-2011, 07:28 AM
Hugh:

Thanks for the information; I appreciate it. Pineman heartly endorsed your flys yesterday when we spoke on the river. I'd like to order some for the Sulhur hatch on the Clinch. What would you suggest?

Pineman:

It was great meeting you yesterday I'm glad you had a good day on the river. I agree the fish look great on the Holston this year. Even the short guys look fat and healthy. If the ever shut off the Clinch maybe we could hit it together; even though you're a Browns Fan!!!

Hugh Hartsell
05-09-2011, 08:15 AM
Jim,
So that we don't violate any board rules, I will suggest this. I am going to be tying at Troutfest on Sunday, starting at 1:00PM. To help many who love fishing the tailwaters or the mountain streams, I'll be tying, and explaining, and answering questions about all the streams and the flies that will be hatching on each one. You'll pick up more information than you can imagine in the 5 hours that I will be behind the vise. You'll feel like you have been on a days guided trip by the time that you leave. I hope to see you and many others there.
Hugh

MadisonBoats
05-09-2011, 08:16 AM
Hugh:

Thanks for the information; I appreciate it. Pineman heartly endorsed your flys yesterday when we spoke on the river. I'd like to order some for the Sulhur hatch on the Clinch. What would you suggest?

.....

You can throw just about any type of sulphur fly during the limited hatches on the Clinch and do well. I usually throw my largest dry flies during this time. The key is making sure they get the trout's attention and separate themselves from the group....I usually do this with a few bumps of the line to create the trigger...:biggrin:

Corbo
05-09-2011, 09:41 AM
My dumb question?

Up in Maine the caddis hatches were an evening affair.... like the hatch starts just as the sun sets and you fish till it's over; usually like 11 PM or later. Caddis don't really start there until late June and come AFTER the may fly hatches!

Are the Caddis here a daytime hatch? Size 14 tan okay?

I fish very few Elk Hairs caddis and usually tie on a CDC tan emerger with a shuck tucked hard into the film; might this work on Dixie Browns?

Hugh Hartsell
05-09-2011, 10:07 AM
Corbo,
There are at least 3 different types of Caddis on the Holston River. You need to think in sizes @16- 22 on this river. You can use a larger size for the top fly in a lighter color as an indicator if you like, but you will catch more fish in the mid and upper sections of the river on a darker, size#20-22. The hatch usually starts in the mid morning and goes through the mid afternoon. Some days it will go into the evening. The majority of Caddis you see in the late evening are egg layers that come from bushes and trees along side the river. If you are fishing the Watauga River the sizes will run larger. The emerger will catch fish here as well. Just think a little smaller in size.
Hugh

Corbo
05-09-2011, 10:25 AM
Thanks guys;

Wasn't certain I would attend the TroutFest BUT as Hugh will be there and I would like to see these caddis ties perhaps I'll convince my wife to let me out of the house (watching grandkids for 5 days) or perhaps we all go!

I'll assume darker means brown instead of tan.... looks like I'll be at the vise today.

bigjim
05-09-2011, 02:51 PM
Hugh:

I''ll make it a point to be there on Sunday look forward to meeting you. LRO has been very helpful in the past and I do buy from them quite a bit for them. I tried to claim them as a deduction last year but the IRS wouldn't go for it.

Thanks

pineman19
05-10-2011, 08:34 PM
Pineman:

It was great meeting you yesterday I'm glad you had a good day on the river. I agree the fish look great on the Holston this year. Even the short guys look fat and healthy. If the ever shut off the Clinch maybe we could hit it together; even though you're a Browns Fan!

Hey Big Jim,

Went back to Nances Ferry on Monday as well. Caught a really nice bow (15"?) up where I told I had been fishing. My email is pineman19@yahoo.com. Drop me line sometime and we'll hit the Clinch or the Holston some time. I hope to head to head to Nances Ferry tomorrow after work if it isn't raining. I figure the caddis won't last too much longer on that part of the river.

Neal

MtnMike
05-11-2011, 12:12 PM
Hey guys, I have only fished the Holston a couple of times and haven't been there in a couple of years. How long does it take the released water to reach Nances Ferry? Thanks.
Mike

Hugh Hartsell
05-11-2011, 01:56 PM
It usually takes about 5 hours to reach Nances Ferry and that can vary a few minutes either way depending how much water they are releasing. There is some good fishing down there right now.
Hugh

MtnMike
05-11-2011, 02:17 PM
Thanks Hugh, I appreciate the info, Hope you are doing well.
They show a one hour pulse this morning of around 2100 cfs, can you wade through those when they arrive at Nances Ferry?
Thanks Again,
Mike

Hugh Hartsell
05-11-2011, 03:11 PM
Mike,
You can continue fishing that far downstream when a pulse comes through. The biggest problem with any rising water on the Holston is that it can turn the fish off for a little while. If there is a hatch taking place when it happens usually the fish will continue feeding. Good luck on the river.
Hugh

pineman19
05-11-2011, 03:54 PM
Thanks Hugh, I appreciate the info, Hope you are doing well.
They show a one hour pulse this morning of around 2100 cfs, can you wade through those when they arrive at Nances Ferry?
Thanks Again,
Mike

MtnMike,

I recommend getting you a landmark on the Nances Ferry that you can see when the water is at lower levels. For instance, up from the first big set of riffles there is a big log in the river (left side). When I see a branch of that log sticking a foot or so above the water, the river is lower, then I keep an eye on it occasionally to see if the level has changed. If it disappears altogether it's best to get to the side of the river or out altogether.

Neal