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Brad O'Luftee
07-19-2011, 12:05 PM
Never heard of such a thing! Sounds righteous and right up my alley.
Someone please expand on the "neversink" caddis.
ManOman! Tennis ball yellow at dusk. Whoa!

duckypaddler
07-19-2011, 12:37 PM
http://littleriveroutfitters.com/store/product.php?productid=17792&cat=0&page=1

My favorite dry fly for the park 6+ months of the year.

Just a caddis dry fly with some foam to make it float better. Easy to see for the beginner

JoelO
07-19-2011, 12:40 PM
You can buy one here from these nice people that host this forum. :smile:

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/store/home.php?cat=983&sort=title&sort_direction=0&page=2

Ky Tim
07-19-2011, 02:14 PM
They are very effective in May on Little River. Btw, they should be named "Rarely Sink Caddis"

Brad O'Luftee
07-20-2011, 10:56 AM
Thank you.
Another question please: What are the pros and cons of the green weenie vs green inchworm?
I had huge success with green inchworm when I started using them, oh, about 15 years ago. However for the past several years it seems the trout just don't charge it like they used to; even the BH ones.

duckypaddler
07-26-2011, 10:37 AM
Thank you.
Another question please: What are the pros and cons of the green weenie vs green inchworm?
I had huge success with green inchworm when I started using them, oh, about 15 years ago. However for the past several years it seems the trout just don't charge it like they used to; even the BH ones.

I believe the wiggle of the tail of the green weenie might be the only difference I could think of:smile:

Flat Fly n
08-03-2011, 09:54 AM
Daniel at LRO turned me onto these several years ago. They are not too hard to tie, but getting expensive because of the hackles going in the girls hair now! HA..

The fish ate them up on the Big Wood river outside of Ketchum ID three years ago, so they are great everywhere.

PS..if your looking for something easier to tie, try the X-caddis which is next to these Neversinks. Quick, simple, float great, always upright, and in a pinch can fake a trout out in a mayfly hatch as well.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee78/tnflyfish/caddisbox-1.jpg

Brad O'Luftee
08-03-2011, 10:16 AM
Thanks Flats.
Good looking flies you have there. If I was a trout I would munch on all of them with careless abandon(if the presentation was attractive of course).

tnflyfisher
08-03-2011, 11:55 AM
They are very effective in May on Little River. Btw, they should be named "Rarely Sink Caddis"

While this pattern is effective and stays afloat much easier than its non-foam brethren, the name "neversink" was not conceived for its flotation properties. The original name comes from a caddis pattern first developed in the late 1800's for fishing the Neversink River in NY, basically the origin of dry fly fishing. As a NY native, I just wanted to throw that out there...:biggrin:

Tight Lines,

Mundele
08-03-2011, 04:36 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee78/tnflyfish/caddisbox-1.jpg

Really nice looking... Mine look terrible but seem to work ok. I've not found any real instruction on tying them. Do you put the hackle over the tied-down foam or in front of it?

Gonna try the X Caddis too...

--Matt

Flat Fly n
08-03-2011, 07:29 PM
from back -> forward........
1. foam(I cut the foam a little thinner than the store bought which makes it easier to compress. I also taper, V, the end I tie down, which saves room),
2. deer hair(instead of elk, easier to work with, and crushes easier with thread..) and then the
3. brown and grizzly hackles.

make sense?

Flat Fly n
08-03-2011, 07:33 PM
While this pattern is effective and stays afloat much easier than its non-foam brethren, the name "neversink" was not conceived for its flotation properties. The original name comes from a caddis pattern first developed in the late 1800's for fishing the Neversink River in NY, basically the origin of dry fly fishing. As a NY native, I just wanted to throw that out there...:biggrin:

Tight Lines,

As a native redneck I was glad you clarified that for me on the name, cause dang, I thought if you guys had had closed cell foam since the 1800's and we just got it, so I was a getting worried....;)

Mundele
08-04-2011, 12:08 AM
from back -> forward........
1. foam(I cut the foam a little thinner than the store bought which makes it easier to compress. I also taper, V, the end I tie down, which saves room),
2. deer hair(instead of elk, easier to work with, and crushes easier with thread..) and then the
3. brown and grizzly hackles.

make sense?

Makes a lot of sense. I think I've been tying it wrong. No wonder mine have been ugly.

duckypaddler
08-04-2011, 09:24 AM
from back -> forward........
1. foam(I cut the foam a little thinner than the store bought which makes it easier to compress. I also taper, V, the end I tie down, which saves room),
2. deer hair(instead of elk, easier to work with, and crushes easier with thread..) and then the
3. brown and grizzly hackles.

make sense?

Mine are ugly, but seem to work

I'm guessing it's the bleached deer hair? I tied several with reg deer hair as I was experimenting earlier this Spring, but found that they were harder to see. When you tie in your deer hair, do you just wrap the brown hackle over the hair you cut off (hiding the head of a reg caddis)?

My initial problem when tying this fly was that I tied the foam back too far, which lead to more bumps without hook set.:frown:

Thanks for sharing

Brad O'Luftee
08-04-2011, 09:52 AM
[QUOTE=......Neversink River in NY, basically the origin of dry fly fishing....:biggrin:

Tight Lines,[/QUOTE]

tnflyfisher (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/member.php?u=7212) That's interesting fly history but you can't just throw the last part out there..... check your claim of "origin of dry fly fishing".
Since there's more books written about fly fishing than any other type of fishing one can easily explore flyfishing's history through multi-centuries all over the globe.
Contemporary internet makes it even easier. Taking a quick look at Wikipedia as a small sample source one can find the following ===>

"
Many credit the first recorded use of an artificial fly to the Roman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire) Claudius Aelianus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius_Aelianus) near the end of the 2nd century. He described the practice of Macedonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon) anglers on the Astraeus River:
...they have planned a snare for the fish, and get the better of them by their fisherman's craft. . . . They fasten red . . . wool round a hook, and fit on to the wool two feathers which grow under a cock's wattles, and which in color are like wax. Their rod is six feet long, and their line is the same length. Then they throw their snare, and the fish, attracted and maddened by the color, comes straight at it, thinking from the pretty sight to gain a dainty mouthful; when, however, it opens its jaws, it is caught by the hook, and enjoys a bitter repast, a captive. In his book Fishing from the Earliest Times, however, William Radcliff (1921) gave the credit to Martial (Marcus Valerius Martialis), born some two hundred years before Aelian, who wrote:
...Who has not seen the scarus rise, decoyed and killed by fraudful flies..."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_fishing

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then there's Egyptian, Japanese, german flyfishing history.

English writings of flyfishing are quite prolific and most notable in a historic perspective are Dame Juliana Berners descriptions of taking fish on a dry fly and Izaak Walton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izaak_Walton)'s Compleat Angler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compleat_Angler) (1653)

I don't mean to be confrontational tnflyfisher but being a southerner who loves history I just had to throw that out there.

Cheers,

al

tnflyfisher
08-04-2011, 11:51 AM
You know... I figured someone would bring that up. :rolleyes:

I guess I should have been more specific to begin with. Obviously there has been a history of fly fishing for more than the last hundred years... It was the origin of dry fly fishing here in America. At least most NY'ers tend to see it that way... we do have a few famous rivers up there in case you didn't know... ;)

It was Theodore Gordon who took some English dry flies that didn't seem to work very well over here and started to develop his own patterns to mimic insects found in streams and rivers in NY. It's all good though...

Tight lines,

Flat Fly n
08-04-2011, 03:08 PM
believe this will clear things up...
start halfway down the shank with the foam
These are Whiting hackles Size 14, which on a bare hook, give a great 1.5x (shank to hook) proportion that even Theodore Gordon could appreciate.

Hook TMC 102Y #15

Deer hair is non-bleached. Just a great strip I picked up at LRO a couple of years ago.



http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee78/tnflyfish/IMGP1487.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee78/tnflyfish/IMGP1488.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee78/tnflyfish/IMGP1489.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee78/tnflyfish/IMGP1490.jpg

PS...the Disciples where some of the first fly fishermen, and John was reported to be a dry fly fisherman.... John 21:3

Tight Lines

Knothead
08-04-2011, 03:30 PM
Interesting thread with a bit of history. Thanks!
John 21:3 is a most relevant verse but read the rest of the verse.
V. 3- Simon Peter says to them, I am going to fish. They say to him, We are coming with you. They went forth and embarked in the boat, and in that night they caught nothing.
I find the last part to be very humorous. Shows those guys weren't any different than us.

duckypaddler
08-04-2011, 04:06 PM
Thanks for the pics, that definately clears things up:biggrin:

Knothead
08-05-2011, 01:26 PM
Let me add "Thanks" for the recipe and pictures. I went fishing yesterday and found my fly inventory needs increased. Will add the NSC to the flybox.