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BlueRaiderFan
08-21-2011, 05:49 PM
Do boo rods have less varnish than graphite rods? I just bought a refinished boo rod and the varnish looks kind of thin. It's definitely not as thick as on my graphite rods.

BlueRaiderFan
08-21-2011, 06:13 PM
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/blueraiderfn/2011/Boo002.jpg

ahighlan
08-21-2011, 06:45 PM
Epoxy is typically used on graphite.

Varnish is among several finishes that are popular with bamboo builders and restorers, and is built up less than epoxy on graphite rods.

That said, the finish is thin on those wraps.

BlueRaiderFan
08-21-2011, 07:09 PM
Thanks Ahilan, could I use a varnish from Home Depot? Do you recommend one?

flyred06
08-21-2011, 09:20 PM
GMREEVES would be a good person to field this question to. Maybe he will see this post and answer in or you could IM him. He has alot experience with cane rod building.

BlueRaiderFan
08-21-2011, 10:07 PM
Ah yes, I was hoping he might. Too much info out there for me to be certain but I trust his opinion.

silvercreek
08-22-2011, 08:33 AM
I believe you live in the Nashville area. Drop the rod by at Cumberland Transit and let Leo look at it.

BlueRaiderFan
08-22-2011, 09:35 AM
I've moved a bit but will try.

Knothead
08-22-2011, 01:03 PM
I restored an old 'boo rod and used Minwax Quickdry Satin Polyurethane on it. I recently built a bamboo rod for a customer. I used Olympic Gloss Marine Spar Varnish on it- two coats. I put one coat on the thread and then the two coats on the whole rod. It turned out nice. Hopefully, when things slow down, I'll have some pictures on my website.
Graphite has a resin base; no varnish is used.
FWIW, I have an old bottle of varnish from about 48 years ago when that was used before epoxies came along.

BlueRaiderFan
08-22-2011, 02:54 PM
Ah, thanks Knot. I'll stop by home despot today.

ahighlan
08-22-2011, 06:03 PM
I've used Helmsman Spar Urethane on fiberglass rods.

Still researching and acquiring tools to built my first bamboo rod from a culm. I don't like to point you to another forum, but as a resource you might check out Clark's Classic Fly Rod Forum for more specific information on bamboo rods. Lots of info on finishes to dig through there.

BlueRaiderFan
08-22-2011, 08:06 PM
Thanks, will do. Thanks again everyone for all the help.

flyred06
08-22-2011, 08:45 PM
If you can call LRO and get walter babbs phone # he would be glad to answer any questions you might have. He built my first cane rod.

BlueRaiderFan
08-23-2011, 01:28 PM
Thanks for the idea, Flyred. I think I won't bother Mr.Babbs at this point. Seems like a simple fix at this point. I'll research further though.

501
08-23-2011, 10:28 PM
BlueRaiderFan,
Epoxy is used on graphite/glass rods. It can be between one and three coats depending on how thick it is applied. I have built bamboo rods from preformed blanks although I am certainly not a professional in this area of rod construction. After much consultation with known builders I chose to use spar varnish. Be advised that varnish is much thinner than epoxy. It should be applied to the rod while it is in a turner of 18-20 rpms and monitored for sagging. Varnish takes much longer to dry. Apply it thinly and build it up to the desired appearance with several coats(maybe 5-10 depending). This is time consuming as I usually only do one coat per day. And yes the finish in the photo appears very thin.

Lee

gmreeves
08-24-2011, 10:31 AM
To me it doesn't look like there is any varnish on the rod or wraps. Maybe one coat on the wraps. Typically you won't see any indentations on the tread wraps. Some builders will go ultra thin on varnish and after several years, the wraps will start to be visible. You can definately add to it if you are concerned. Any spar varnish should work fine. If it is a high dollar rod, you might want to contact a builder to do the work but if not, give it a go. It can always be removed and the guides re-wrapped.

BlueRaiderFan
08-24-2011, 11:26 AM
BlueRaiderFan,
Epoxy is used on graphite/glass rods. It can be between one and three coats depending on how thick it is applied. I have built bamboo rods from preformed blanks although I am certainly not a professional in this area of rod construction. After much consultation with known builders I chose to use spar varnish. Be advised that varnish is much thinner than epoxy. It should be applied to the rod while it is in a turner of 18-20 rpms and monitored for sagging. Varnish takes much longer to dry. Apply it thinly and build it up to the desired appearance with several coats(maybe 5-10 depending). This is time consuming as I usually only do one coat per day. And yes the finish in the photo appears very thin.

Lee


Lee, thanks for the info. I don't have a rod turner and since this is a cheap rod off of ebay (nice but it didn't cost much) I went with a spray on spar varnish.

Dwayne

BlueRaiderFan
08-24-2011, 11:31 AM
To me it doesn't look like there is any varnish on the rod or wraps. Maybe one coat on the wraps. Typically you won't see any indentations on the tread wraps. Some builders will go ultra thin on varnish and after several years, the wraps will start to be visible. You can definately add to it if you are concerned. Any spar varnish should work fine. If it is a high dollar rod, you might want to contact a builder to do the work but if not, give it a go. It can always be removed and the guides re-wrapped.

GM,

Thanks for the help. After a bit of reading I had come to the conclusion that it needed more varnish. I used a spray on spar varnish and gave it a light coating. I will go back tonight and do another. I used to paint cars when I was a young man so I know how to lay it on even and thin. I don't think I have any runs and got a decent coat on too. No way I would do this with a nice rod from a pro builder but since I bought this rod for $70 off of ebay (a kids rod building class in Michigan had a bunch they were selling to raise funds for the next class), I thought I would go for it. I think it looks great already. It feels noodly compared to my TFO's so I think it must be a strong mid flex, if not full...but I don't know enough to say for certain. I'll post more pics so you guys can let me know what you think about the varnish levels. Thanks again.

Dwayne

gmreeves
08-24-2011, 11:59 AM
Since you are using a spray and no how to put it on thin, go ahead and give it several coats. It won't hurt. If you do get a run, you can always sand it out after letting it cure and reapply. Most likely it is an old trade rod and will be a good bit "noodly." Do you know how long, pieces, and what line casts good on it?

BlueRaiderFan
08-24-2011, 12:50 PM
Will do. Haven't checked any line on it yet but after looking at other rods of similar length, 8 1/2' I would surmise that it is a 6wt rod but I will test my line on it ahead of time to be certain. Oh yeah, it's 3 pieces with two tips...one tip is shorter than the other but at least I have an extra tip :rolleyes: Oh well, I can't expect much for $70 and if it helps kids I'm all for it.