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Greenie
11-04-2011, 04:58 PM
I am in the process of writing an essay for a graduate level Rhetoric course at UT-Knoxville. The course is a Southern Rhetoric course--how the South represented through Rhetoric, etc.

The essay is on the formation of the Park; specifically, what I am interested in exploring are its effects on the residents of what is now the Park. Of course, since it is a historical essay, I will also delve into how the idea for the Park originated, how the idea was made reality, etc. But, that sort of stuff is rather easy to research, so what I am needing help with is finding people, or descendants of people, who lived in the Park during its inception and have personal stories they wouldn't mind sharing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Byron Begley
11-04-2011, 05:30 PM
Hey Greenie,

I can help you but we need to meet first. I know a few people who grew up in Cades Cove, they were the last to leave. I also know several descendants. One of them is my friend Jack Gregory. Shoot me an e-mail or call and we can meet here at the shop. I want to get to know you first. Townsend is a good place to start.

Byron

Greenie
11-04-2011, 07:18 PM
Hey Greenie,

I can help you but we need to meet first. I know a few people who grew up in Cades Cove, they were the last to leave. I also know several descendants. One of them is my friend Jack Gregory. Shoot me an e-mail or call and we can meet here at the shop. I want to get to know you first. Townsend is a good place to start.

Byron

Thank you so much, Mr. Begley. I have sent you an email.

Byron Begley
11-05-2011, 11:07 AM
Hi Greenie,

Better send it again. I did not see it this morning. I zap one accidently every once in a while thinking it is spam.

byron@littleriveroutfitters.com

Byron

fearnofishbob
11-05-2011, 09:19 PM
Greenie, there are a large number of people who lived in and had decendants who lived in the park in Bryson City N.C. I would venture a guess that Mr. Casada could help you or if you wanted to make a trip to Bryson I'm sure you could get "tons" of good info there.......Bob

Jim Casada
11-07-2011, 07:36 PM
Greenie--As FearNoFishBob says, I've spent a lot of time delving into Park history. To some degree your first question (and I'm speaking as a recovering university professor) whould be one of parameters. You'll need to narrow things down some and maybe zero in on one aspect of the overall approach you mention. There are three histories of the Park (two of them fairly recent), with Margaret Brown's being the best. Look at it for sure. Then you might want to decide on a geographical section of the Park. Probably the richest in terms of human history are Cades Cove, Cataloochee, Greenbrier, and Hazel Creek. There are detailed historical treatments of all but Greenbrier, and even in that case there's considerable information. The bibliography in my book on fishing the Park runs to 15 pages or so and should give you some guidance.

I guess what I'm really saying is that if you'll give me more specifics I think that in turn I can give you fuller guidance.
Jim Casada

pmike
11-08-2011, 01:32 AM
Mr. Casada or anyone? It would seem to me that Bryson City would have a rich and interesting history with it's proximity to the park. Are there any specific books or articles anyone would suggest related to it. I know it is mentioned briefly in some books surrounding the park and by "Kep", but I suppose I am thinking more in line with writings by locals or perhaps some of the former residents that were displaced by the forming of the "park".

Mike

Jim Casada
11-08-2011, 10:51 AM
pmike--Kephart was dead by the time of the Park's actual creation, so other than being one of its progenitors, he's not much help. For the North Shore area, Duane Oliver's books focusing on Hazel Creek and the Little Tennessee River drainage are first rate. John Parris, in his books (there are several of them, all collections of his newspaper columns) has lots of vignettes of folks like Granville Calhoun, the squire of Hazel Creek. I've written a great deal, in newspaper form, on various aspects of local history (Bryson City and Swain County) and its links to the Park. I've also written extensively, again in newspaper or magazine form, about selected residents who once lived in the Park--Mark Cathey, Sam Hunnicutt, my father, and others. Most of those pieces--scores if not hundreds of them--appeared in the "Smoky Mountain Times" or in outdoor magazines. My brother, Don, is working on a long-term project which focuses on the region's human history. Lance Holland's "Fontana" is actually more about the North Shore. There's more, and I wish I had talked at greater length with folks old enough to remember life in what became the Park in pre-Park days.Without question there's a need for a book on this area and lots of folks have urged me to do one. Maybe someday, but right now I've got about half a dozen other projects in the works.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

pmike
11-08-2011, 12:44 PM
I'll check into the sources you mentioned. I have read a few of your columns and intend to look back over the ones I missed. The historical aspect of your "Pursuit of Passion" is one of it's most interesting aspects to me, and as I say that I want to make sure to say once more how much I have enjoyed reading and rereading it for not only the history, but the information overall...great book! In mention of Mr. Kephart, I was just thinking of a few references made by him of Bryson City, which seemed incidental in his mention of some of the folks he associated with.

I never did particularly well in school, but have always had a fondness for history and can only imagine how rich the history of the Bryson City area might be. Out of all of my childhood ventures to the mountains, we omnly stayed in Bryson City twice, but those were two of my most enjoyable trips.

Thanks for the suggestions and God Bless,
MIke

Byron Begley
11-16-2011, 06:46 PM
Greenie,

I look forward to meeting you on Monday. I talked to Will last night at a reception. His mother and her parents were one of the last two families to leave Cades Cove. They are my neighbors. Will agreed to meet with you and share some names for you to contact if you pass muster. Maybe you will get to meet his mother. She is a great lady. Her father is still living but he is very old. You can go to Will's office after we meet. He manages the bank next to the shop. I have some other names for you.

Byron

Jim Casada
11-17-2011, 09:53 AM
Byron--Good for you for helping Greenie out. We exchanged some pretty detailed e-mails and I gave him my thoughts on more specific focus and narrowing of the topic (putting on my old professor hat for the first time in a long time) as well as a longish list of printed sources to consult. The fact that you can link him up with folks who have living in the Park memories is wonderful.
My brother and his research partner have been doing quite a bit of that on the N. C. side, and some of these old-timers have incredible memories. Of course my father spent his boyhood in what is now the Park (on the head of Juneywhank Branch, a small feeder of Deep Creek) and was full of lore about the hardscrabble way of life he and his family knew.
For my part, I'm just pleased that there continues to be interest in that world we have lost and the folks who peopled it.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

Byron Begley
11-17-2011, 01:17 PM
Hi Jim,

Thank you for helping Greenie. You are much more qualified than I am. I noticed Blue Raider proposed a new category for hunting. I think that is a great idea. Another category for this board might be "History of the Great Smoky Mountains". I bet you would love that one. I would too.

Take care buddy,

Byron

Jim Casada
11-17-2011, 05:15 PM
Byron--I'd love a category on the history of the Smokies. Obviously I have a deeper interest than many, but I'm comfortable in saying many others would like to know more. One of the neat things about fishing in the Park is that there's history all around you. For example, when fishing lower Luftee you can take short walks of 100-200 yards and visit half a dozen cemeteries (one of them a slave cemetery), hike up Noland a bit and see evidence of a world we have lost at every turn, and wandering through Sugarlands (the real one, not Park headquarters) brings you face to face with evidence of the one-time presence of humans at every turn.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

pmike
11-17-2011, 06:26 PM
What Mr. Casada posted. I love history and the various apsect of the history of the region of and surrounding the Smokies are particulary interesting to me as an adult that has vacationed in the area since being a young child of so many years ago.

MIke

MadisonBoats
11-18-2011, 08:40 AM
I am in the process of writing an essay for a graduate level Rhetoric course at UT-Knoxville. The course is a Southern Rhetoric course--how the South represented through Rhetoric, etc.

The essay is on the formation of the Park; specifically, what I am interested in exploring are its effects on the residents of what is now the Park. Of course, since it is a historical essay, I will also delve into how the idea for the Park originated, how the idea was made reality, etc. But, that sort of stuff is rather easy to research, so what I am needing help with is finding people, or descendants of people, who lived in the Park during its inception and have personal stories they wouldn't mind sharing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Greenie,
Search the LRO message board for old park photos or postcards. I remember someone posting a topic with them in it. It led me to a great link with tons of archives and photos at the University of TN. I could not find it in my bookmarks or I would have posted it. Good luck and I am sure this will be a great topic to research.

Jim Casada
11-21-2011, 05:48 PM
Madison Boats--That's an excellent suggestion for Greenie, and as I've told him, there's a fellow at the UT library, Ken Wise, who really knows a lot about Park history. He's written what I consider the best hiking guide, by far, for the Park, and he has another one approaching completion (the earlier one is out of print). I missed the photos/post cards material on this site, but there's scads of material at UT.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

MadisonBoats
11-21-2011, 08:29 PM
Mr. Casada,
This was the topic I was referring to in my post.

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14958&highlight=river+pictures

Also, someone posted this link and you can browse to other archives from this link. Great Stuff...

http://diglib.lib.utk.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?q1=rth;sid=ea2d0c2f8ed01a6799258eb665b44416;ty pe=boolean;rgn1=All%20Categories;view=thumbnail;g= gsmc;med=1;c=rth;corig=rth;size=20&start=1

Jim Casada
11-21-2011, 08:36 PM
Shawn--Thanks a bunch. I'll spend some plesant time perusing and will be interested to see whether the Kephart collection I owned for decades, which was acquired by UT earlier this year, has been catalogued yet.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

MadisonBoats
11-22-2011, 09:23 AM
Shawn--Thanks a bunch. I'll spend some plesant time perusing and will be interested to see whether the Kephart collection I owned for decades, which was acquired by UT earlier this year, has been catalogued yet.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

Great! Send us a link if you find them. I would love to view them. I spent hours looking through all the archives of photos on this link when I first saw it in the original post. Their quality and beauty are absolutely amazing and some of the best I have ever viewed! This is definitely a link you want to add to your browser favorites.

This is the link to the Great Smoky Mountains Collection:
http://diglib.lib.utk.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?page=searchgroup;xc=1;g=gsmc

Also; I would like to thank/credit [ahighlan (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/member.php?u=5460)] for posting the original link.

Bran
11-22-2011, 09:36 AM
Fascinating topics. I love history and especially have a fascination with the park history and surrounding towns. I know I have asked Byron before about the old trading post building at the corner of 321 and 73. It was pictured in a book that talked about Will Walker coming down to trade honey there, and I've searched for it, but, like a lot of history, it's gone except to memory.
I did have good fortune to bump into a church pastor at Townsend this past Spring who was born in Cade's Cove and he talked and shared with me for awhile. I was hung on every word and thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. He remembered the old store and said it was near the old bridge on 321 but had fallen down now.

Rob Johnson
11-23-2011, 02:29 AM
Hey MadisonBoats, thanks for laying a ton of history in my lap. That should keep me occupied during the winter. The links are great. Thanks!

fishngolf
11-27-2011, 03:15 PM
Byron--I'd love a category on the history of the Smokies. Obviously I have a deeper interest than many, but I'm comfortable in saying many others would like to know more. One of the neat things about fishing in the Park is that there's history all around you. For example, when fishing lower Luftee you can take short walks of 100-200 yards and visit half a dozen cemeteries (one of them a slave cemetery), hike up Noland a bit and see evidence of a world we have lost at every turn, and wandering through Sugarlands (the real one, not Park headquarters) brings you face to face with evidence of the one-time presence of humans at every turn.
Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)


I have been to a family cemetery of my Dad's family several times that is located past the ranger's station above the road on the left as you enter the Park from Cherokee.

I've never been able to find any marked headstones, all are unmarked stones. My grandfather was born in that area and his family lived there, Swain County, and other parts of W. Carolina for many generations.

Jim Casada
11-27-2011, 06:00 PM
fishngolf--There are actually three or four cemeteries in the area you describe. Do you happen to know the name of the cemetery? I ask because there may well be a way for you to obtain additional information (if you are interested). There's a wonderful book which, although it has some omissions and other minor problems, you should see. It is The Cemeteries of Swain County and it covers virtually every cemetery in the county, gives all known information of them, lists the graves, tells who is buried in them when this is known, and more.

Jim Casada
www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com (http://www.jimcasadaoutdoors.com)

fishngolf
11-27-2011, 09:01 PM
Jim,

It is one of the Enloe cemeteries. I would be very interested in obtaining additional info.

Thanks