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tjw37909
12-26-2011, 04:17 PM
I'm starting my 2012 resolution today by respectfully withdrawing from this forum. I have a great respect for Byron, Paula, and 99 percent the people on this forum, but the 5% of hypocritical ramblers on here have become more than I can stand. I will still check the fishing report daily and check Plateau Angler's blog, but I can't get on here and read all these stories about fishing the smokies by people who live hundreds of miles away. The majority the real great smokies fishermen who need to be telling stories live here and are not on the forum much because of all the rambling and self proclaimed experts already on here. I won't stir up s#%t by naming names, but I will name one incident unrelated to fishing that pushed me to the point that I need to withdraw from this forum in order to hold my tongue. A partner of a man on this forum recently took two men on a guiding hunting trip just outside the GSMNP in a residential area for dumpster bears. Only 100ft from the side of a busy road this guide had his clients shoot a mother bear which had two small cubs standing by her side. Unfortunately for this guide a local business owner witnessed the incident and called a local agency and an investigation was launched and the story was spread. If anyone has further questions feel free to email tjw37909@yahoo.com. Byron and Paula, thank you for what you do for the sport and I in no way associate you or your business with the unsportsmanlike activities I mentioned here. You provide us all a great service. Please deactivate my account upon reading this. I wish good fishing and good luck to the 99% of you who fish for the love of the sport, and to the other 1%............karma is a bitch. One day it will catch up to you.

MadisonBoats
12-26-2011, 07:27 PM
I'm starting my 2012 resolution today by respectfully withdrawing from this forum. I have a great respect for Byron, Paula, and 95 percent the people on this forum, but the 5% of hypocritical ramblers on here have become more than I can stand. I will still check the fishing report daily and check Plateau Angler's blog, but I can't get on here and read all these stories about fishing the smokies by people who live hundreds of miles away. The majority the real great smokies fishermen who need to be telling stories live here and are not on the forum much because of all the rambling and self proclaimed experts already on here. I won't stir up s#%t by naming names, but I will name one incident unrelated to fishing that pushed me to the point that I need to withdraw from this forum in order to hold my tongue. A partner of a man on this forum recently took two men on a guiding hunting trip just outside the GSMNP in a residential area for dumpster bears. Only 100ft from the side of a busy road this guide had his clients shoot a mother bear which had two small cubs standing by her side. Unfortunately for this guide a local business owner witnessed the incident and called a local agency and an investigation was launched and the story was spread. If anyone has further questions feel free to email tjw37909@yahoo.com. Byron and Paula, thank you for what you do for the sport and I in no way associate you or your business with the unsportsmanlike activities I mentioned here. You provide us all a great service. Please deactivate my account upon reading this. I wish good fishing and good luck to the 95% of you who fish for the love of the sport, and to the other 5%............karma is a bitch. One day it will catch up to you.

I can understand your frustrations and you make valid points. However; there will always be people here and there that we do not agree with or do not like. Accepting this point and not allowing it to dictate what you do will breath rejuvenation in to your spirit. I have used your approach a few times on other things and I guess I felt a little selfish looking back on it. I am sure Byron and Paula will probably just let you account stay. They really do not have the time nor do I expect they desire to police these forums. I do hope you stay on the forum and I see that you have a significant amount of contributions by your post count.

I say fight the urge to surrender to the actions of others and never let that influence your passions and freedoms! I have done that and it only hurt myself and segregated my options.:redface: I know there are great people on this forum and I know many I have made friends with personally are spectacular people. I would have never met them and experienced life with them if I would not have posted. I hope you can step back a bit and let your frustrations settle. I am willing to help you in any way if I can. Not sure about bear hunting or what I could do; but, I do not like poaching or people breaking laws.

Again; keep your spirit up and NEVER let people or their actions influence your desires.:smile:

pineman19
12-27-2011, 08:06 AM
Maybe we should call this the "Local Yokels" forum? Only the born and raised experts should be allowed to post fishing reports. I have to agree, but for different reasons. Reading posts like yours has ruined the forum forum for me and the fact that I am burned out on the forum deal. It's more about ego's and the "buddy system" for many on here. BTW, I used to frequent the fly shop you work in, that won't be happening anymore since this post.

Have a Happy New Years.

Neal

Paula Begley
12-27-2011, 10:14 AM
Of course, we are sorry to lose any forum member. However, the whole idea of a "forum" is to allow an open dialog; people will agree, and they will disagree. All we have ever asked is that you do so in a respectful manner.


Paula

No Hackle
12-27-2011, 01:35 PM
Well said Paula.
Lynn

$3Bridge
12-27-2011, 06:36 PM
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flyman
12-27-2011, 08:10 PM
The sports didn't have to shoot the female with cubs, I wouldn't have. :rolleyes:

jeffnles1
12-29-2011, 08:44 PM
Guess I missed something. What does shooting a mama bear with two cubs have to do with a fly fishing forum?

I also will never understand why people feel the need to make some big proclamation when they no longer wish to participate in a forum. Seems rather narcissistic to me.

Hate to see you go, but good bye.

(for the record, I've never shot a bear in my life so it wasn't me... :smile: )

Jeff

psnapp
12-30-2011, 01:29 AM
Jeff - my sentiments exactly! And no, I didn't shoot the bears, either.

Phil

BlueRaiderFan
12-30-2011, 01:56 AM
Muh...I'm probably one of the "self proclaimed experts" but really I just like to talk fly fishin' and I am by no means an expert. I do live in Nashville but I can't seem to find a job in my field that is in the area or I would live in East Tennessee/WNC. As far as the bears, I hunt small game, except for turkey (which is rare). I too wish Mr. Hartsell, Cassada, et al would post but as you've stated; the internet brings out the worst in some people, so it's no wonder they don't come around much.

ChemEAngler
12-30-2011, 10:29 AM
Stuff like this is the very reason I have reduced my participation in the past few months. There is less talk about fishing and fly tying and more arguing, name calling, and coddling of sensitive people going on than ever before. We are all adults on here, and we should all act like it.

When I first joined, everybody was always cordial and real fishing stories were shared. There was no need to start an apology or a flaming thread, because nobody said anything that validated such a thread. A few of the original people still remain, but I miss the likes of Mr. Hartsell, the Romer clan, IJSouth, etc. Those guys all knew how to tell entertaining fishing stories with humor laced throughout, and never once proclaimed themselves as Smokies experts. Not only that, but they were genuinely good people who it was a pleasure being around. I look forward to the return of a positive fishing forum, but honestly believe it has been infiltrated by too many who use it as an outlet to vent and read their own words than a place to share knowledge and information of the sport we love.

tjw,
I don't know why you feel the need to withdraw from the forum because the "partner of a man on this forum" shot a bear. Granted it sounds like it was not an ethical hunting practice, but I think you are taking out your frustrations in the wrong forum. That is like me saying that I am going to withdraw from this forum because somebody who knows a member cut line in front of me at Kroger. If you are unable to distiguish between the two and are quick to respond in a negative manner, then maybe this is not the forum for you.

Rog 1
12-30-2011, 11:46 AM
Sorry to see anyone leave...I have never seen any special requirements for membership or posting to this forum other than to be polite. I do not live nearby to the Park but have fished these waters for more than 50 years....I feel that I have acquired some "local" knowledge through my efforts and from following my grandfather up and down the many streams on the Tn. side...how this should limit my input or advice escapes me...while I cannot get up there as often as I would like I enjoy vicariously reading and seeing what others get to experience...hope you have a Happy New Year..

Knothead
12-30-2011, 07:24 PM
It is hard, if not impossible, to live anywhere or frequent any forum where everyone agrees with you or you agree with them. I don't even agree with my wife all the time. As Paula said, the forum is to exchange ideas and information. If I was to quit every forum where I disagreed with something, I would junk my computer as I wouldn't need it.
As for the bear hunting story, I was certainly pleased that the guide and hunters were turned in to the authorities.
See you somewhere on the water, flinging fur and feathers!

jwebb541
12-31-2011, 04:52 AM
Good riddance! Just kidding Travis. I've quit the forum a long time ago but I am thankful of the service Byron and Paula provide. They have a first rate fly shop and website. I too share in your frustration with rambling and "experts" but know first hand that trout still rise, take beadheads, and create memories that will not be forgotten if you don't post on this forum. Good fishing, see you at work, and look forward to fishing with you again.

buzzmcmanus
01-01-2012, 08:45 PM
I guess I can chime in on this too. I used to make several/many fishing trip reports a year, but haven't made a single one since March, when Travis, Jeremy, and I went fishing. The reason I haven't made any is simply, I haven't fished anywhere that I would consider interesting enough to report on. My interests this past year was more on traditional archery and less on fishing. Most evenings, when I would normally be fishing, you could find me at the bow range shooting a longbow. The few times I did fish, it was somewhere roadside or the Clinch, and I took very few pictures.

Another thing to consider is sometimes peoples lives just get in the way. I keep in touch with several forum members who no longer post like they used to, and they aren't posting for the same reason's as I; interests change, divorce (not me), new jobs, lost job, new kids etc.

As for the shooting of the bear, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be talking about me. One of my hunting buddies did kill a 400 pound bear just outside Townsend this past October, but it was a male. However, its "thing" was so small, someone unknowing might have thought it was a female. (When I die, I hope I don't come back as a bear)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/buzzmcmanus/2011-2012%20Hunting/Chuck%20Bear/IM000008.jpg

I also prefer to refer to them as buddies and not partners.

* Edit * I almost forgot, I also had an injury in April that kept me from trying to balance myself on greased bowling balls for about 3 months.