View Full Version : Spring 2012 - "Guide Fly" Swap

02-17-2012, 12:07 PM
It's been awhile since we've had a fly swap on the board (has it really been 3 years since the last one?..) I was thinking that it would be interesting to do a "guide fly" swap. In short, a guide fly is a fly that is simple to tie yet very effective to fish. (Btw, you don't need to be a guide to participate...). Ideally the fly should use only a few materials (4 or less?) and only take 5 minutes or less to tie, like the "Haystack" or "The Usual". Do a Google search or check out this site if you are still a bit unsure: http://paracaddis.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/guide-flies/ In many cases the fly has been developed for a specific stream or type of stream. That's great, just make sure you let us know what stream to fish them in...

I'm happy to take the responsibility of being the swapmeister. I'd like to have 6 participants, but we could even do it with just 4 tyers. Ideally we would each tie two dozen to share. That way we each would receive 4 of each type (including your own - rather than the usual 2). Let's set the due date for having your flies sent to me at March 15th (we can adjust if needed, but these are supposed to be easy to tie...that's the point).

Ground Rules:
1. Post on this thread if you would like to take part and what you'll be tying), Send me an email at [petecz at charter.net] and I will send you my mailing address information. We'll take up to the first 6 entrants by 2/28.

2. Start tying! The due date for your flies is March 15th. Assume you will have to tie 24 flies, and if we have fewer tiers, I will distribute the extras evenly across all of us that do participate.

3. Each fly will need to have a toetag, this is just a small piece of paper with your LRO username on it, what you tied and what size (and if its geared toward a particular stream). Include the recipe if you want, or post it on the thread (or keep it a closely guarded secret).

4. When you are finished with your flies and have mailed them, post on here, so that I can keep an eye out for them.

5. Send your flies in a crushproof container with a return self-addressed envelope with return postage (whatever it cost you to send them to me, is the same amount of postage you should put on the return envelope). The little plastic boxes you get when you buy flies from LRO work well. What ever box you send your flies in, will be returned to you with the swap flies.

6. If you feel the urge to tie a few "bonus flies", I will distribute them accordingly. If you want to specify who to give the bonus flies to, please indicate that in your shipment and I will add those flies to that person's return package.

7. Communication is very important! Don't hesitate to ask questions.

8. If you have never done this before, don't be intimidated. This is a great way to get new flies that you would never think to purchase on your own. Some of my now favorite flies are ones I have never even thought of before I received them in a fly swap and one led to the development of my guide fly.

Here's the lineup. I will keep editing this first post for the roster:
PeteCz -- TroutDude xCaddis (not really an xCaddis, but I'm too lazy to think up a "real" name)
GrannyKnot -- Haystack
Stana Claus -- Yellow Foam Crackleback
BuzzMcManus -- Elk Hair Caddis (yellowish-orange)
GrouseMan77 -- Special Parachute Adams
TroutmanBrook -- Bearded Scud

02-17-2012, 01:49 PM
Why is there the need to send us back 4 flies of our own? I think it is great that you are doing this and it sounds like fun. Maybe we could tie 10 flies of one of our favorite patterns and your break that up in to 10 participants if more are interested(?) Good Job!

I am too worrisome to let my complete fly-box get exposed to the public.:biggrin:-j/k

02-17-2012, 04:44 PM
Hi Shawn. We used to do a few of these a year between 2006 and Spring 2009, I'm not sure we have the same composition of folks we had then, so I'm not sure if I'll even get 4 other tiers interested, let alone 10.

I'm shooting for each person to tie about 2 dozen for several reasons:
1) If you are willing to tie 24 flies to give away, the fly must be easy to tie or you wouldn't spend the time ("Guide flies" should be easy to tie).

2) In the past I have had a few swap flies that were very productive on the stream. In those cases we only had two of each. The problem was, if a fly was productive and then I lost it in a branch, under a rock, etc. I'd only have the one other one (of that pattern). Which presented a dilemma: do you a) fish with it and risk losing the last one, or b) give up on it so that you can take it home and tie up a few copies (in which case you can never really be sure that it wasn't a fluke -catching a lot of fish on that first fly). By having 4 you avoid that dilemma entirely, you could keep fishing and lose a few more, but still have one to take home and copy...

3) In practicality I try to only give you back flies that you didn't tie, but the numbers always seem messed up (as to the number of flies anyone sends me), so I wind up sending back a couple of your own flies...just wanted to let everyone know its a possibility.

4) Judging by your last comment I think I might not have explained that all of the flies that you would tie are all the same singular pattern. And, I'm not looking for family secrets, just good flies that are easy to tie and can catch fish.

5) If we have 6 tyers, we each could tie 20 flies...that way you would get 4 flies in 5 new patterns returned.

Anyone interested? Anyone.....buehler.....buehler.....

02-17-2012, 05:19 PM
Pete...count me in for 2 dozen haystacks.
If someone else wants to do the haystack, I'll switch to a cdc yellow sally.

Stana Claus
02-17-2012, 05:40 PM
Put me down for a set of yellow foam Cracklebacks.

02-19-2012, 01:49 PM
Guess I should hold off on tying any more haystacks until this gets some more interest.

02-20-2012, 11:45 AM
Guess I should hold off on tying any more haystacks until this gets some more interest.

I tied my 2 dozen over the weekend. If it ends up just being the three of us, we could each send in a dozen and then you'd get 6 cracklebacks and 6 xCaddis.

02-22-2012, 02:30 PM

Count me in with just a regular elk hair caddis (Orange/yellow, depending on the light). We could even give some of these flies a test drive after the swap. It's been a few years since we've been fishing.

02-22-2012, 11:57 PM
We could even give some of these flies a test drive after the swap.

I'll hold you to that...you missed Hans and I, and the ill-fated Green Drake hatch on Abrams last spring.

Been spending some time down on the Hi the last couple of months. I finally found your rock across from the boat ramp...not an easy thing to do on 1 generator...I'm actually going to bug out of work for a few hours tomorrow and head down there again, before it starts pouring again.

Thanks for joining the swap, looking forward to everyone's flies. If we get one more then we could stick to the original plan and tie two dozen, that way we each would get 6 of the other four patterns (and none of our own...).

02-23-2012, 09:01 AM
I'm suprised that there was even a spot left for me. I've fished with your flies, and they are like little sticks of dynamite; grannyknots flies are darn near works of art; Santa clause is tying a tried and true fly for the park. I would have thought people would have jumped all over a chance to get their hands on these. I'm in it to knock the quality level down a notch. My EHC looks like roadkill that's been hit by a lawnmower.

02-23-2012, 10:36 AM
Well...thanks for the kind words buzz. But in reality, about 9 out of 10 flies I tie are garbage. And sometimes the lawnmower battered roadkill flies are the ones that fish like the most.

I had hoped that Grouseman77 would come around and join in on this, but I think he is busy chasing 2 dogs up the side of some mountain lookin for those birds that sound like a helicopter.

02-23-2012, 01:03 PM
I would love to get in on a swap like this one but I have not found any time to get behind the vise. I owe some folks flies to replace the trash that I submitted for the first swap I participated in a few years ago.

Couple more days chasing birds, then back to house shopping, baby prep, fishing, etc.

Granny, I've got tons of assorted feathers (quail, grouse, pheasant & woodcock) for experimenting...

02-26-2012, 10:48 AM
PeteCz - can I sneak in on this with a special para Adams? I'm going start tying them anyway...just let me know.

jasonkelkins at yahoo dot com

02-26-2012, 11:31 AM
PeteCz - can I sneak in on this with a special para Adams? I'm going start tying them anyway...just let me know.
jasonkelkins at yahoo dot com

Yes -- Welcome to the party!

02-27-2012, 10:08 AM
any room left on this swap? im in a foam fly swap on Owl's site, and tied up 25 foam dragonflies this weekend. ive got the fly swap fever! how about a "Bearded Scud"?

03-01-2012, 07:48 PM
Ok Guys, we are officially "on the clock". Since there are now six of us (welcome TroutmanBrook), we should each tie 25 flies. That way everyone gets 5 of each.

please send me an email at petecz@charter.net and I will send you my mailing address, for your completed flies.

Stana Claus
03-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Put mine in the mail today. Let me know if you don't see them in a day or three.

03-07-2012, 05:26 PM
I counted last night, and I had only tied 14 flies. I am going to have to get to get crackin on finishing these.

03-08-2012, 07:54 AM
I counted last night, and I had only tied 14 flies. I am going to have to get to get crackin on finishing these.

We are on the same pace...:(

03-08-2012, 10:26 AM
My flies are all tied up. I think my fly is a perfect example of a "guide fly". I will be throwing in a few more flies for each of you swappers, because all 24 of these flies were tied in under 30 minutes. The recipe is as follows. does hook and thread count as a material?

This fly is super simple to tie, just dress hook, attach chenille at back wrap back up to hook eye, bring chenille forward tie off, and finish.

on the clinch, I have had much success with this simple little fly. My most successful method of fishing this fly is dead drifting under an indicator. I usually use this in a dropper rig, with the scud as my lead fly (bottom) with a heavier fly on top (or some splitshot). There should be a little over a foot between your top fly, or splitshot, and the scud. This allows the scud to achieve some great lifelike movements.

san juan scud
Hook: TMC 3761 size 18 (or any size 18 hook)
Thread: I used UTC 70 RustyBrown, but Orange (morning low light), or light
blue (bright sunny) are good too.
Body: ultra chenille tan


03-08-2012, 02:14 PM
TM Brook

I wonder that your simple fly might work on the SoHo when the fish are eating those pesky black fly larvae things deep in the film? ****ation does that "hatch" drive me nuts!

03-12-2012, 09:03 PM
Finally knocked my German Shorthair Pointer Para Adams out. First time I had tied anything in several months....little out of practice and it may show on a couple of the flies. I hope they work.

I'll email PeteCz in a minute for the mailing address.

An old picture:


My sources:





03-15-2012, 08:55 AM
Mine will be done today. Nothing like taking it right up to the last minute.

03-15-2012, 09:57 AM

The photo of your dog Juney flushing that quail is awesome. That photo belongs on the wall, or in some outdoor magazine. Thanks for the post.


03-15-2012, 04:06 PM
I have Stana's flies. Troutman's, Grannyknot's, Buzz's and GrouseMan's are either on the way or soon to be on the way....Mine are done as well....

I'll keep you posted.

03-16-2012, 11:07 AM
Pete, dropped my flies off at the post office this morning.

03-23-2012, 09:58 AM
I have been traveling this week but hope to get the flies back in the mail today or tomorrow.

03-26-2012, 11:38 AM
Hi Guys, I got the flies back in the mail. Keep an eye out for them.

Buzz, I have yours, let me know when we can meet up.

Stana Claus
03-26-2012, 05:36 PM
Man! No complaints about the speed (or lack thereof) of our local postal service from this corner. My flies were waiting in the mail when I got home today. Nice ties, everyone. Can't wait to get back out and give them all a test drift or three. And thanks to PeteCz for running the swap. We'll have to do it again sometime.

03-27-2012, 04:15 PM
Got my flies yesterday as well.
Good lookin ties everyone.