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surfdog
02-26-2012, 11:23 AM
I am looking to upgrade my 4wt fly rod and would appreciate some advice not from a sales rep. I currently am using entry level package rods from basspro.I cast well with them but am interested in a faster action. Winston offers a vsl in my price range but have not been able to find reviews.Also tfo has a few models. I'm thinking 9' 4pc any recommendations?

WRN
02-26-2012, 11:59 AM
I have some Winston sticks and while I do not have the one your looking at I have fished that #4 9ft. It would in my opinion a good all around rod for many areas and stream types. All Winston sticks are very well built and the warranty is great. You also may want consider a 5 wt. as it may be a little more of an all around rod.

surfdog
02-26-2012, 12:29 PM
I have atfo 5wt that I use for dropper rigs and light bass fishing wanted to go a little lighter for dry

ifish4wildtrout
02-26-2012, 06:57 PM
I can't speak to any rods except TFO, because that's all I fish.

I have a 7.5 foot 3wt pro series for smaller streams and 8.5 foot 4 wt BVK for larger streams.

I love them both, but as I stated above, I can not compare them to any other rods.

waterwolf
02-27-2012, 07:58 AM
The Sage SP and the Sage Z-Axis can't be beat IMO. They have enough back bone to be castable at longer distances, yet are soft enough to be enjoyable and easy of light tippets.

I have cast a bunch of different brands/models over the years and none of them even compare to the Sage's in this category.

If you want a 4 wt that is usable on the tailwaters, even with the wind blowing then the choice is very obvious.

tnflyfisher
02-27-2012, 12:48 PM
I'm with ifish as well and mostly fish TFO because it fits my budget and does what I need it to do. Just FYI but some of those BPS rods are not all that bad. Can't remember which ones but a buddy loved fishing his and he has other high end rods as well. It seems you are looking for an "upgrade" and that doesn't necessarily come with a higher price rod. Winston and Sage are both great rods if you want to spend the money on them. Get out and cast as many as you can. Check out LRO if you haven't already. They have a great selection of top end 4wts.

I really like 4wts. and actually have four of them so far. Three are TFO and one is an Orvis Superfine. As far as a faster rod, that isn't my thing but you might want to try out a TFO Ticr or Ticrx as both are actually pretty close to 5wts in reality. I use my 8'9" Finesse in the mountains and like it a lot. However it is a much softer rod closer to the classic Sage LL.

Tight Lines,

mattblick
02-27-2012, 01:20 PM
First I would recommend going and casting some of the 4 weight rods at Little River Outfitters, and give them the business if you can.

That said, although I buy waders, boots, flies, etc from LRO; most of my rods in recent years have come from Sierra Trading Post. If you get on their email list and get their DealFlyer coupons, you can save money on top of their closeout prices.

Today, I have a 35% off coupon from my DealFlyer, which makes a:
Powell SSL, 4 Piece, 9', 4# - $71.47
Redington RS4, 4 Piece, 8'6", 4# - $87.72
Ross Essance FW, 3 Piece, 9', 4# - $111.47

surfdog
02-27-2012, 08:52 PM
thanks for the advice, the winston I am looking at is from cabelas and they bundle it with one of their mid level reels and a sa gpx line for 400 ,thats my limit. I called LRO but they do not bundle rod, reel, line packages outside of a brands already pre packaged set. I live in florida and can not get to LRO to test cast. I will be making a trip to bass pro this weekend to see what they carry and cast their rods in my price range. They also carry the TFO and bundle with their own reels and s/a lines at a very good discount. I was taught that the rod and line are the most important part of a fly fishing set up and the reel was mostly to hold the line when not in use, especially in lighter weight outfits. So I feel the reels offered with these would be sufficient for the job at hand

Trico
02-28-2012, 12:15 AM
Surfdog I have and use several different 4 wgt rods. Before you buy anything I would recommend you cast as many different ones as you can. If you are not concerned with price and can afford a high end rod the choices are numerous. For a small stream or medium stream rod with small dry flies the Winston Tom Morgan favorite is a top choice. But is kind of specialized in my opinion. For a general 4 wgt that will do almost anything the Hardy Zenith 9 ft makes a great rod. It is delicate enough but will cast any reasonable fly. The Winston BIIIx in a 8 1/2 ft if also a great rod especially for dry flies and is more delicate then the Hardy. The Winston Passport is close to the BIIIx and sells for a fraction of the price. If price is a concern this one sells for about $199.00. You mentioned Cabelas and they stock this rod. While I don't own one I have used one and think the Sage ZXL in 4 wgt. is a great rod. Get out to several different fly shops and don't be afraid to cast these rods. Don't rush. After all anticipation and planning is half the fun!

BigMax
02-28-2012, 03:12 PM
Surfdog,

I too am doing the same thing. I am 90% sold on a new TFO BVK 8'6" 4WT for my money I dont see anything similar. It is a fast action 4 piece rod. My question to the board is: does the BVK (fast action) need to be set up with over weighted line? I have heard several people say that you should "overline" the setup i.e. run a 5 wt line. I know this will help load the rod faster but other than less false cast what is the real benifiet? distance? accuracy? There are lines out there designed for the modern fast action rods such as the SA GPX, Rio Grand, and I have even heard Cortland 333ProTrout is good. These lines all seem to be 4.5 wt lines. This rod is intended for my "everyday" rod which mostly consist of dry/dropper in the GSM or double nymph on the clinch. Does anybody have any ideas or thoughts about line choice? The a fore mentioned lines are on the more expensive side, are they really worth it? Many thanks before I pony up and head up to LRO soon I hope:)

tnflyfisher
02-28-2012, 04:25 PM
Surfdog,

I too am doing the same thing. I am 90% sold on a new TFO BVK 8'6" 4WT for my money I dont see anything similar. It is a fast action 4 piece rod. My question to the board is: does the BVK (fast action) need to be set up with over weighted line? I have heard several people say that you should "overline" the setup i.e. run a 5 wt line. I know this will help load the rod faster but other than less false cast what is the real benifiet? distance? accuracy? There are lines out there designed for the modern fast action rods such as the SA GPX, Rio Grand, and I have even heard Cortland 333ProTrout is good. These lines all seem to be 4.5 wt lines. This rod is intended for my "everyday" rod which mostly consist of dry/dropper in the GSM or double nymph on the clinch. Does anybody have any ideas or thoughts about line choice?

The relatively new BVK rods in 8' 3wt. and 8'6" 4wt. configurations are both viable options for the park if that is what you are looking for. Both could easily throw a GPX line or a wt. heavier but most TFO's can. Using a 5wt. line is actually going to slow the rod down a bit. With that usually comes a sacrifice in distance and does not "add" distance but you really don't need to worry about that much with the BVK. I have cast the 3wt. but not the 4wt. and it can lay out some line... Again, it is a faster stick but still manages to retain some sensitivity and is super light! If someone gave me one I would certainly fish it with a heavier line but that's just me. I have 3 TFO finesse rods and those are more my style for the mountains. However, the 4wt. BVK set up right for your tastes with the desired line would be a great do it all rod for light to medium trout fishing. And don't go cheap on the line... the few extra dollars spent for something like a Rio or SA line are worth it IMHO. I would say to start off with a SA GPX 4wt. line to see how you like it and go from there...

Tight Lines,

surfdog
02-28-2012, 06:56 PM
I do use the gpx line now on my 5wt and 8wt and really like it. a friend is trying to steer me towards a rio avid trout line for the 4wt that I'm looking to purchase
. I don't know if any shop is going to let me test cast lines that they don't already have spooled. I do have a budget of $400 for the rod reel and line so the sage / winston boron are out of my league Also being in south florida the 2 fly shops that I can get to do not carry a lot of 4wt trout equipment

ifish4wildtrout
02-28-2012, 07:28 PM
I have my 4 wt 8.5 foot BVK lined with 5 wt Rio Gold. I am not a great distance caster but I can really get it out there with that rod and it's current set up. Not sure how it would cast with 4 wt line.

surfdog
03-02-2012, 08:51 PM
went to bps today, they had no tfo 4wt products , nothing to test cast in the 4wts except a loomas 4pro,dissapointing action felt to slow/mushy. going to ole florida fly shoppe tommorrow see what they have to test cast.I have seen some tfo pro series coming up in clearance sales for $100 dollars as they put out the proII.

Byron Begley
03-05-2012, 04:53 PM
Most of our customers do not over line a fly rod by a full line size. We do sell fly lines that are 1/2 size heavier such as the GPX or Rio Grand to customers who want to slow down a rod a little. We sell quite a few of those. Over lining would help you load the rod at a shorter distance but I would not do it. I have tried it before and was not happy with the result.

I do have a GPX on a Winston LT and I like that combination.

I bought a TFO BVK 6 Weight last Summer and I really like it a lot. It is not over lined. I'm planning to buy a BVK 7 weight this year. They are really nice rods for the money. They are light too. If you do not want to spend the money on a Sage One, a Helios or a high end Winston, the BVK is a very good less expensive choice.

Byron

flyred06
03-05-2012, 09:34 PM
try the new sage "one" rod or the helios. Both of these are supper nice rods. you can never go wrong with a winston either.

Byron Begley
03-06-2012, 07:21 PM
Hi Surfdog,

I was reminded about Rule #2 after reading your post yesterday, "Listen to your Customers". I started working on a new category today on our online catalog called Rod, Reel and Fly Line Outfits. Right now it is under the "Rods" category and under construction. It will probably show up under the Reel category too. I may make it a "Primary Category". There is just one outfit in different weights on there now but you will see many choices soon, over the next few days. The next time a customer calls about fly fishing outfits, our staff will have many choices and options. Mail order customers will have the same choices. You would think after 18 years in this business I would have addressed that opportunity.

Thank you for your input. I really appreciate you pointing out a customer service opportunity even though I don't think you knew you were doing it. If I can help you let me know. I owe you on this one.

Byron

surfdog
03-06-2012, 08:54 PM
Byron , when I emailed the store I got no response for a few days,I then called and paula told me there was no discounting on grouping rod/reel/line except that backing would be free. I think it would be in your best interest to look at some of the other on line sources to see what they are offering (cabelas.com basspro.com ). I have not purchased yet but am leaning heavily towards the tfo 4wt after casting the 5wt last weekend and all the praise the series is getting. I won't be needing a trout rod until may so hopefully you can work some deals out with tfo and a rod and line manufacturer. I'm sure I'm not the only economically limited (cheap) consumer looking at your web site thanks. Dan Krug

surfdog
03-06-2012, 09:07 PM
flyred ,you must have missed an earlier post stating I only had $400 to spend ,after going to 3 fly shops this past weekend and talking to lots of people including shop employees the general opinion was that the tfo bvk could not be beat ,not just for the money but for the performance . two fly shop managers told me that the sage and orvis rods although amazing rods were more jewelery for their customer's status ( I was in west palm beach and boca raton) good thing I was wearing my work clothes

Byron Begley
03-06-2012, 09:34 PM
Hey Dan,

I think you are exactly right. We will try to do better. Thank you for your input again.

Byron

flyred06
03-06-2012, 09:40 PM
sorry i didn't see the $400 budget. I guess i am just a jewelry guy on rods. but some of the budget priced sage rods are pretty nice. Just another option for you to look at.

surfdog
04-28-2012, 03:06 PM
I ended up buying the tfo 4wt bvk as a package (rod ,sa gpx line, store brand reel made by lamson) and am very happy with the deal.fished in local canal for mayans and small peacocks and it handled better then I fish. Can't wait for my week in GSNP at the end of june

tnflyfisher
05-01-2012, 12:50 PM
I think you made a great choice...

My 8'9" 4wt. is my go-to rod for the mountains. Good luck next month!!

Tight Lines,

surfdog
07-27-2012, 06:04 PM
After asking advice and weighing my option I'd like to say how pleased I am with the tfo bvk. My week long trip in the park had me fishing many of the streams,abrams,tremont,little river along the road and above elkmont ,little pidgeon and a mess of of spots.The rod and the gpx line worked great for me and I improved my casting by stepping up to a better rod then my previous bass pro shop rod

William
07-27-2012, 11:23 PM
Good choice on the BVK. I have this rod in a 5wt and am really impressed with it. Makes me look a little less like a newbie on the stream...

Cane Pole
07-28-2012, 05:45 PM
I have my 4 wt 8.5 foot BVK lined with 5 wt Rio Gold. I am not a great distance caster but I can really get it out there with that rod and it's current set up. Not sure how it would cast with 4 wt line.

I've only over-loaded 1 rod (from 5wt to 6wt) but it was an extremely stiff rod that could handle it. If you went back to 4 wt you would actually be able to cast it farther.

yonder
07-31-2012, 03:28 PM
I am also a TFO fan.........I have also used their warranty, due to my own stupidity and clumsiness, and have had terrific results......I am not dissing the upper priced brands by any means.......I would like to invest in a sage one.........if only I could shake the "bamboo" monkey off of my back!!!!!!!! It's a slippery slope my friends............:eek::smile:

Gary
09-05-2012, 11:50 AM
I am looking to upgrade my 4wt fly rod and would appreciate some advice not from a sales rep. I currently am using entry level package rods from basspro.I cast well with them but am interested in a faster action. Winston offers a vsl in my price range but have not been able to find reviews.Also tfo has a few models. I'm thinking 9' 4pc any recommendations?

one Winston rod was all it took for me to know I was never buying another! And I have one that was actually built by Winston. Look at Loomis, Sage, or Scott. The Echo Carbon rods are much better than most rods under $300, but if your looking in the $700 range the Loomis is the way to go. I own five four weight rods and find myself using a Scott G series 80% of the time
gary