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HuskerFlyFisher
04-24-2012, 02:47 PM
We are in G-burg now. Had a few strikes on foam body (yellow) elk hair caddis.

Anything we need to be trying? We are fishing Baskins and roaring fork tomorrow, Elkmont maybe Thurs. Should we go to Abrams? never fished it. Hook size?


Thanks all!!!

adirondack46r
04-24-2012, 03:04 PM
I did well yesterday on small, #18, sulphur CDC comparaduns. I was mostly casting to rising fish. The sulphurs I saw coming off were 16/18 or smaller. Keep them ginked (or frog fannied) and be careful of your presentation and you should do well.

Oh, and I went to a longer leader than I would normally use - 10' plus. It made presentation easier in some of the long slow pools.

Good luck.

WRN
04-24-2012, 05:30 PM
Try some 18 tan or yellow Caddis, Anything that will float and bounce around should work on RF. Fish all those little bathtub pools!

BlueRaiderFan
04-24-2012, 06:19 PM
Yellow neversinks (foam bodies) have done ok for me but if you have the choice you should go with a more realistic fly. They seem to be very choosy right now. As far as sizes, in yellow, I've seen some very small yellow sallies and some larger yellow flies in the size 14 range. I don't know what they are but they are big. Yellow seems to be the color right now.

HuskerFlyFisher
04-24-2012, 09:29 PM
wow, sounds like i fished way too big today. Smoky Mountain Anglers told me 12 to 14s on the phone.

They also were big proponents of the "never sink" flies (foam bodies).

Admittedly, I'm a novice, though I am learning to catch the critters!!!

duckypaddler
04-24-2012, 09:59 PM
wow, sounds like i fished way too big today. Smoky Mountain Anglers told me 12 to 14s on the phone.

They also were big proponents of the "never sink" flies (foam bodies).

Admittedly, I'm a novice, though I am learning to catch the critters!!!

I think they were steering you straight:smile: There are plenty of big bugs hatching

It's much more about presentation then fly choice;)

David Knapp
04-24-2012, 10:02 PM
Might be a good idea to throw a Tellico or some other nymph. Last weekend the fish were all sitting fairly deep in the water column. Try the dry and if it isn't getting any action fish some nymphs and use plenty of split shot...

BlueRaiderFan
04-24-2012, 10:08 PM
wow, sounds like i fished way too big today. Smoky Mountain Anglers told me 12 to 14s on the phone.

They also were big proponents of the "never sink" flies (foam bodies).

Admittedly, I'm a novice, though I am learning to catch the critters!!!

They were right on for size in my opinion. Foam bodies are good, I seemed to do ok today with them but sure wished I had a regular fly in yellow. I do have a yellow crackleback but that's about my only other choice in that color. I guess the larger flies I saw were sulphers. Maybe stop by the shop and pick up a few. Still seeing pmd's too. I think David is right on too. Deep nymphs through deep runs.

2weightfavorite
04-24-2012, 10:16 PM
Im in the mountains 4+ days a week right now. 7 1/2 foot leader, no longer than 9 if you feel its too short, and the foam bodies catch fish no doubt. Dont make it compicated. parachute adams, elk hair caddis, prince nymph or a copper john. You also did not metnion where you fished. If you fish lower little river (sinks and below) dont ecpect the number or fish you would catch higher up on the same river. Same goes for alot of the rivers as well. Roaring fork is full of fish and is easy to fish. Baskins creek is small, and unless you are used to that type of fishing you may pass it up for now. With this colder weather you might go to strait nymphing (i would use an indicator) as well.

Owl
04-25-2012, 03:46 AM
It's hard to go wrong with a #14 or #16 Hare's Ear and a split shot or two. :)

HuskerFlyFisher
04-25-2012, 10:34 AM
Im in the mountains 4+ days a week right now. 7 1/2 foot leader, no longer than 9 if you feel its too short, and the foam bodies catch fish no doubt. Dont make it compicated. parachute adams, elk hair caddis, prince nymph or a copper john. You also did not metnion where you fished. If you fish lower little river (sinks and below) dont ecpect the number or fish you would catch higher up on the same river. Same goes for alot of the rivers as well. Roaring fork is full of fish and is easy to fish. Baskins creek is small, and unless you are used to that type of fishing you may pass it up for now. With this colder weather you might go to strait nymphing (i would use an indicator) as well.

How come less fish down lower? Could you explain?

tnflyfisher
04-25-2012, 12:23 PM
wow, sounds like i fished way too big today. Smoky Mountain Anglers told me 12 to 14s on the phone.

I really don't think so... but then again, I don't usually fish small flies. Like others have said, it's in the presentation. Lately I have been going to a yellow humpy in size #12 or #14 with great success.

Also, I routinely use large attractor patterns up to size #6 and still get smaller fish taking a swipe at them, so size really isn't the issue. I just tend to favor throwing a big meal, if you know what I mean... ;)

Tight Lines,

2weightfavorite
04-25-2012, 06:35 PM
Less fish down lower... I have no scientifical data to back up my opinion on this. However, I do know that the water definitely is warmer in the later summer months down lower. That being said, I do not know why for sure, and others may disaagree with me. It may just be that down lower there are larger deeper pools which make catching some of the trout out of them harder..?? I catch larger rainbows below the sinks and down to the Y, however odly enough I have caught more large browns above the sinks and even miles above elkmont. It seems that down lower there is also less diversity in fish size. Seldom do I catch a 3 inch bow down low, but it happens all the time up higher. I think there could also be less holding water between large holes, which in turn equals less fish. Again, just my own thoughts. Would love to hear others opinions on the subject.

David Knapp
04-25-2012, 09:20 PM
Less fish down lower... I have no scientifical data to back up my opinion on this. However, I do know that the water definitely is warmer in the later summer months down lower. That being said, I do not know why for sure, and others may disaagree with me. It may just be that down lower there are larger deeper pools which make catching some of the trout out of them harder..?? I catch larger rainbows below the sinks and down to the Y, however odly enough I have caught more large browns above the sinks and even miles above elkmont. It seems that down lower there is also less diversity in fish size. Seldom do I catch a 3 inch bow down low, but it happens all the time up higher. I think there could also be less holding water between large holes, which in turn equals less fish. Again, just my own thoughts. Would love to hear others opinions on the subject.

I'm with 2weightfavorite on this one. There are fish on lower Little River but they tend to be in specific stretches where the water may be a little cooler for various reasons. Back during the drought years of 2007 and 2008, the pools on lower Little River had dead rainbows on the bottom. When we get several good water years in a row, lower Little River can produce some of the largest rainbows in the Park. In addition, stocker rainbows from Townsend can be caught anywhere up to the Sinks making it occasionally difficult to tell whether a fish is stream-reared or stocked.

HuskerFlyFisher
04-25-2012, 09:22 PM
today we had great success on LeConte Creek with the #14 Yellow Sallys. I caught 5 brookies, son caught 5, granddad caught 1.

Went up to Elkmont, hiking a mile up from the campground, and I didn't really like it. The water really pushes you around and it's a lot more stressful fishing. Long casts, getting a good drift A LOT harder.

I spent a lot of my time worrying about my 12 year old son and my dad. You've got to wade through quite a bit of fast, deep water to get to good spots. You fish the good spot, and then you're out there in the middle of the river and have to somehow get back!

I got two bites while I was there, and my dad caught a 8 inch rainbow.

They can have all my part of "Elkmont". I guess I'm just not a "big water" fisher - it's a PIA.

It was also the only place where I actually encountered other fishermen.

flyman
04-26-2012, 12:45 AM
Read Byron's daily fishing report. He gives great advice on flies and sizes and how to fish them:smile:

duckypaddler
04-26-2012, 10:43 AM
Went up to Elkmont, hiking a mile up from the campground, and I didn't really like it. The water really pushes you around and it's a lot more stressful fishing. Long casts, getting a good drift A LOT harder.

I spent a lot of my time worrying about my 12 year old son and my dad. You've got to wade through quite a bit of fast, deep water to get to good spots. You fish the good spot, and then you're out there in the middle of the river and have to somehow get back!

I got two bites while I was there, and my dad caught a 8 inch rainbow.

They can have all my part of "Elkmont". I guess I'm just not a "big water" fisher - it's a PIA.

It was also the only place where I actually encountered other fishermen.

That's funny:biggrin:
You pretty much summed up why I prefer the smaller Brookie streams over the big water.

Although, I'm told, that will all change after you get a hold of a monster Brown or two:biggrin:

Glad you having a good trip. Nice to see 3 generations fishing together