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steamnsteel
05-11-2012, 03:41 PM
Remember the booby traps in Utah? The recent kidnappings?
Just some info.for everyone and to be aware of the coming copy cats.



Hikers hogtie man who attempted to take them hostage

By Brad Hicks, Johnson City Press



Published May 10th, 2012 11:12 pm

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ERWIN — Unicoi County Sheriff Mike Hensley said the outcome of arrest could have been much worse for a Roan Mountain man taken into custody earlier this week after he allegedly picked the wrong group of hikers to attempt to take hostage.
Marcus F. Birchfield, 40, 962 Hampton Creek Road, Roan Mountain, was arrested by the Unicoi County Sheriff’s Department and charged with four counts of aggravated kidnapping, impersonating a police officer, going armed, possession of a schedule II drug and possession of drug paraphernalia.
It was a little before midnight Monday when Hensley said Unicoi County 911 received a call stating an individual was holding several hikers hostage at the Beauty Spot lookout on Unaka Mountain. Hensley, who took the call, said the caller stated the man had approached the group of five hikers with a handgun drawn, told them that he was a game warden, and ordered them to get down on their hands and knees. The 911 call, Hensley said, came from one of the hikers allegedly being taken hostage.
Read the full story on the Johnson City Press website (http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News/article.php?id=100221).

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BlueRaiderFan
05-11-2012, 04:42 PM
What an idiot.

Knothead
05-11-2012, 06:33 PM
Kind of makes me think I need to get a carry permit. Nothing like your old friends, Smith & Wesson. Shows all the nuts aren't in a praline.

HuskerFlyFisher
05-11-2012, 10:42 PM
As we were arriving in the Elkmont Campground two weeks ago, a vandal had swept through just minutes prior, smashing various windows of parked cars.

What a nice touch.

BlueRaiderFan
05-12-2012, 07:03 PM
If you do decide to get the carry permit, I would recommend also taking a defensive shooting class of some sort. I spent about 11 years total in the Army/Army National Guard, saw a little combat. I was infantry for 4 years active and an MP for the rest of the time in the guard. It takes a lot of training (practice and understanding) to react to a situation like that without getting your brains blown out, or worse yet, someone else injured that shouldn't be. Know, who, what when, where, how and why to use your weapon and you won't get that in a carry permit class most of the time.

duckypaddler
05-13-2012, 10:12 AM
If you do decide to get the carry permit, I would recommend also taking a defensive shooting class of some sort. I spent about 11 years total in the Army/Army National Guard, saw a little combat. I was infantry for 4 years active and an MP for the rest of the time in the guard. It takes a lot of training (practice and understanding) to react to a situation like that without getting your brains blown out, or worse yet, someone else injured that shouldn't be. Know, who, what when, where, how and why to use your weapon and you won't get that in a carry permit class most of the time.

Good advice:biggrin:

Personally I have no desire to carry a gun in the park. Typically people aren't willing to hike in to rob you, etc. And your chance of having one of these situations happen to you are pretty remote. Kind of like carrying bear spray. I never hear post or comments from tourons on how they are scared of bees - even though they are 20 times more likely to kill you:eek:.

I go to the park to relax and get away. If I was carrying a gun, I would have to keep a different mind set, and that's enough of a reason not to carry for me:smile:.

Plus I know of 2 situations(Out of 1500+ outing) I was in that if I had a gun I well may have been justified to use it, but not sure of how my life would have turned out if I had. Even if you were completely justified I would think the psychological effects of the aftermath woukld be a burden to carry. With calm words and sometimes letting the crazies be dominant most situations can be diffused.

I'm in no way against people carrying guns, but also smart enough to know that most with carry permits do not have the knowledge and training to use them in a way that makes things safer, and has the potential to make things much worse.

And the robbery on Foothills parkway seems to have been planned or something, so it wasn't random, and in the Erwin case, it seems the cell phone was just as good, or even better, than a gun:biggrin:

BlueRaiderFan
05-13-2012, 12:52 PM
Most of the time a person would have to be on the look out for these situations (which hardly any of us are). Usually by the time you notice a person has a weapon, they are so close it's difficult to get to your weapon in time. I do carry though, just not in the park. Nothing wrong with it. I just think that more than a permit class is needed. Do you know the proper grip? Center mass or head shot? What is the difference between cover and concealment? What is the maximum effective range of your weapon? One roiund down range or empty the clip? Why? Is the guy "near" or "far" and what are these distances? There are a ton of other questions. Others know much more than I do. Seek them out and learn from them.

Knothead
05-13-2012, 01:11 PM
BlueRaiderFan, fully aware of what you are saying. Good ideas. I am covered in all of them.

, it seems the cell phone was just as good, or even better, than a gun:biggrin:
That only works if you have cell coverage. I frequent places in east TN where I have no service- Hiwassee River, for instance; coverage ends about a mile off Hwy 411.

BlueRaiderFan
05-13-2012, 02:14 PM
BlueRaiderFan, fully aware of what you are saying. Good ideas. I am covered in all of them.


That only works if you have cell coverage. I frequent places in east TN where I have no service- Hiwassee River, for instance; coverage ends about a mile off Hwy 411.


Don't get me wrong; I'm all for carrying...just like to see the extra training. Glad to hear you are well trained.

duckypaddler
05-13-2012, 05:41 PM
BlueRaiderFan, fully aware of what you are saying. Good ideas. I am covered in all of them.


That only works if you have cell coverage. I frequent places in east TN where I have no service- Hiwassee River, for instance; coverage ends about a mile off Hwy 411.

True enough - I don't even take my cell phone most of the time:smile:

Looks like I was wrong about the phone call saving them, they saved themselves :biggrin:

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News/article.php?id=100221

Wits and oppourtunity, that's what I'll rely on:biggrin:

Anyway, how do you keep the gun dry? And if it's in a drybag - how could you get it quick? Plus isn't it heavy?

Knothead
05-14-2012, 11:07 AM
I wouldn't get in water so deep that my gat would get wet. There are ways to carry and keep it handy. Heavy? Mine weighs about 2-1/2 pounds, loaded. A good holster system would make it virtually weightless.

BlueRaiderFan
05-14-2012, 11:35 AM
I wouldn't get in water so deep that my gat would get wet. There are ways to carry and keep it handy. Heavy? Mine weighs about 2-1/2 pounds, loaded. A good holster system would make it virtually weightless.


Weight...a good excuse to tell the wife you need another lighter pistol :biggrin:

Flat Fly n
05-14-2012, 12:45 PM
A Glock 27 or XD subcompact fits perfectly into a Fishpond vest on the left side for a right handed person. Just saying.

PS..they will always work but your cellphone may not.
If they get wet, WD-40, then blow that out with compressed air, then re-oil. Very simple.

kytroutman
05-14-2012, 12:59 PM
Flat Fly N, does the Fishpond vest have the velcro closure pocket? Also, I would never use WD-40 on any of my firearms. It's a penetrant, not just a lubricant, and prolonged exposure can damage the bluing and it's been reported that WD-40 can actually neutralize the primers on certain ammo. Just my two cents worth, but nothing but Hoppes on mine and also the recommendation of my gunsmith buddies.

ifish4wildtrout
05-14-2012, 03:56 PM
I carry a full size 1911, stainless. I holster outside the waist band on my hip. I use a good quality leather pancake holster. It will, and does get wet when I fall in.

I use my shirt tail to conceal it in the park, per the law. On National Forest, I open carry. I can CC or OC on NC National Forest land, I prefer OC.

Flat Fly n
05-14-2012, 04:08 PM
Flat Fly N, does the Fishpond vest have the velcro closure pocket? Also, I would never use WD-40 on any of my firearms. It's a penetrant, not just a lubricant, and prolonged exposure can damage the bluing and it's been reported that WD-40 can actually neutralize the primers on certain ammo. Just my two cents worth, but nothing but Hoppes on mine and also the recommendation of my gunsmith buddies.

No the Fishpond is a zippered vertical entry next to the body. It's one of the 700(just kidding) comparments on the Wasatch vest.

I don't leave the WD40 (water displacement formula #40) ON the gun more than 2 minutes before I blow it off with an air compressor. I then re-oil, with an oil like Break-Free. Trust me, I have this down as I have taken a drink in a tailwater from time to time. PS...this was recommended to me when I called the guys at Predator Shop, and they apparently do this either in WD40 or mineral spirits after they do all this competition water shoots etc. I figured they would know best....cool website www.predatorcustomshop.com/ (http://www.predatorcustomshop.com/)

pmike
05-14-2012, 10:51 PM
have a gun and never need it than not have one and find iyt was needed for self protection or to defend my loved ones. I have been in situations that being armed prevented assault or untimely death, in one such situation, simply by my revealing to an intruder that I had it in hand, the intruder decided to abort his entrance into the home I was visiting. He had cut the phone lines and made plans knowing folks were there and presuming we were all asleep.

Mike

Grumpy
05-14-2012, 11:02 PM
The XD 40 compact fit's my Fishpond Double Haul nicely, thankfully, it's never had to be used.

Grumpy