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MadisonBoats
05-24-2012, 08:21 AM
I have fished most of this month and experienced a wide variety of conditions on the river. So; I thought I would share if some are interested.

Upper Clinch is cold until fog burn off (47 deg water temp.) Fish are sipping and slower to takes. Fishing the seams with nymphs is producing well until sunlight. Also; quick water and shoals are consistent.-Sulphurs start sporadically hatching most of the day from 11:15am onward and trout will work dry flies at pool tail-outs, shoals, and fast water.
-Small midge emergers/black fly with puffs and long leaders are working at Millers-Upward when the fish are sipping during mid-day.
Mid Clinch is a little warmer (57 deg on average) with sulphurs starting 7am-9pm.

Lower Clinch-no water temp...forgot my calibrated thermometer and did not want to waste time with one I could not rely on...Best sulphur hatches on the river and late evening is spectacular on dries. Better add something to help it stand out in the river for late evening fishing. I would recommend taking a headlamp and trying one of the late hatches (7:30-8:30pm) if you have not done that before...

*Key flies of choice:-split case pmds (olive & yellow)
-wire/black fly with cdc puff for slower sipping fish
-(#12-14) large Christmas Midges for fast water seems.
-indicator emerger for rises
-my variation of a spinner with parachute wings. I like to tie it on big hooks to help it sit down in the film and clarify its body profile to the fish. Also; not hackle-just poly wings.
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*PS-5/25/12
This pattern works amazingly well fished to a rise and sippers.

Link to tying video:
http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15820&highlight=midge+emerger
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William
05-24-2012, 04:57 PM
Great information. I am heading up to the Clinch tomorrow with my brother. Thanks for all the tips!

William
05-26-2012, 12:29 AM
Went out today (Friday) from around 11-3:30. I was surprised how few people were on the Clinch today.

Was throwing sulphurs with no luck...the trout were rising but wouldn't give them a second look for the most part. My brother hooked one early on, but after that we had no luck. We tried a few different sizes and color variations with no luck.

MadisonBoats
05-26-2012, 07:38 AM
Went out today (Friday) from around 11-3:30. I was surprised how few people were on the Clinch today.

Was throwing sulphurs with no luck...the trout were rising but wouldn't give them a second look for the most part. My brother hooked one early on, but after that we had no luck. We tried a few different sizes and color variations with no luck.

*Will, you were fishing in a hot part of the day and most fish will move to the bottom and conserve resources until it cools off & dissolved oxygen increases. You can use split shot on your leader to target them; but, you really have to focus on seams to get them take.

Pay close attention and see if they are rising to sulphurs. That is; there should be sulphurs hatching and you seeing takes....They may be eating midges and black flies in the film. If you see what looks like sprinkles from rain on the water; then you are seeing black flies and midges emerging. If you confirm a sulphur; use repetitive reach casts and twitch your fly once and a while to simulate a struggling sulphur. Otherwise; float black fly patterns with cdc or poly puffs in to the rises....

Dry Tip: I like to dry Gink my fly wings and wet Gink my tippet to ensure it does not float next to the fly and reflect on top of the water. Be careful not to get on hands and slide the tippet around the nozzle to do this cleanly.

AL trout bum
05-26-2012, 10:26 AM
Is a sulphur cripple the same thing as what's called a spinner? I would assume so, just double-checking.

All the diff. fly lingos are new to me. I understand the life cycles, but sometimes the lingo gets a little confusing.

silvercreek
05-26-2012, 11:05 AM
A cripple is usually thought of as an emerging fly that either did not properly form or escape the shuck. A spinner is a healthy fly that has ended its life after mating and dies on the water. Hope this helps.

AL trout bum
05-26-2012, 01:57 PM
A cripple is usually thought of as an emerging fly that either did not properly form or escape the shuck. A spinner is a healthy fly that has ended its life after mating and dies on the water. Hope this helps.

Thanks. It did help. I guess I've seen patterns that are exactly the same that some people call a cripple and some call a spinner. That was the confusion.

MadisonBoats
05-27-2012, 07:10 AM
Fished the lower-end (church) on Saturday during the mid-day.:eek: Man, was it hot. I got a water temp of 63 at noon and 66 at 2pm. I only managed 9 fish in two hours and they were all dinks. If you want any size; I guess you will have to go deep on nymphs and drift them slow.

Corbo
05-27-2012, 08:24 AM
"Cripples" of duns emerging are often a different color than imago spinners. Just sayin... and spinner wing are usually clear so a very sparse wing of antron or similar is better than something less clear and bulky.

Presentation over pattern in my book; I don't carry "spinners" but have done a bit of butchery on flies while fishing to "make" one when required.

I will avoid the Clinch for at least another week as Shawn has either educated every one of the fish OR spanked them with his "twitching"! LOL.

Good luck to all.

silvercreek
05-27-2012, 08:57 AM
Thanks for the temperature reports. Makes you wonder though what temps will be like later in the summer if we have the hot summer folks are expecting.

Flat Fly n
05-27-2012, 09:54 AM
Spinners are the dying form the dun(the adult mayfly). They have done their duty to mayflies and nature and are on their way out(dying) in the 24-48hours that they are out of the water. (remember 363 days to develop from egg to an adult)..Adult mayflies don't even have mouth parts.

A SPENT spinner (seriously) is a dead, lifeless form of the mayfly that has spent the past two days in life's activities that perpetuate the species and keeps us in a constant state of craziness for a month consentrating on "the hatch"......It is generally an easy lifeform to recognize on the water as a small cigarette can seen in one of the claws on the spent spinners! HA! If I need to explain anything more in detail, go ask your parents!

Cripples are as previously described. Those mayflies that for some reason don't make it out of the shuck (nymphal exoskeleton) or their wings don't develop for some unknown reason. The crippple and the emergers are the easiest life stages for the trout to eat during a hatch. Normally a sip rise instead of a big splashing(better hurry and eat this one) rise.

MadisonBoats
05-31-2012, 07:12 AM
Fellas,
To clarify; I was not trying to imitate a spinner. Just using a spinner variation to help distinguish the fly's profile to the fish.:smile: I have not seen much bug action on the top half of the river the past few days. The dissolved oxygen I believe is increasingly low and it could be the reason the sulphurs are tapering off until very late evening or during steady rain showers. Noticed a big striper foraging above Miller's Island. That is a first for me to see one that far up in shallow water. I think he came up from coal creek to feed during a generation and found himself stuck. He sure had the trout moving.

Also; I am starting to find some larger fish dead. They look healthy and I have not noticed any indicators in their throats that could explain their demise. It could be stress from the low water and low DO that is taking them down...(?)

Has anyone fished the church late (7:30-9pm) for sulphur action? That has been the only time I have seen a decent hatch on the river this year....

fourx
05-31-2012, 09:52 PM
On a tangent:
I have had the privilege to fish some famous technical streams out West. Henry's Fork, Silver Creek, Depuy's/Armstrong, etc. and I'll have to say, if you can fish the Clinch SUCCESSFULLY around the 61 bridge area YEAR ROUND then you can kick butt anywhere!

4X

MadisonBoats
06-01-2012, 08:14 AM
On a tangent:
I have had the privilege to fish some famous technical streams out West. Henry's Fork, Silver Creek, Depuy's/Armstrong, etc. and I'll have to say, if you can fish the Clinch SUCCESSFULLY around the 61 bridge area YEAR ROUND then you can kick butt anywhere!

4X

I agree with the technical aspect...That area has a dynamic range of conditions that make it change throughout the year. Also; it can be extremely rewarding or very humbling if you are not in tune with the fish.:smile:

Corbo
06-03-2012, 08:15 AM
Let's be honest here....... Shawn has gills.

TN Jed
06-03-2012, 06:33 PM
Fellas,
To clarify; I was not trying to imitate a spinner. Just using a spinner variation to help distinguish the fly's profile to the fish.:smile: I have not seen much bug action on the top half of the river the past few days. The dissolved oxygen I believe is increasingly low and it could be the reason the sulphurs are tapering off until very late evening or during steady rain showers. Noticed a big striper foraging above Miller's Island. That is a first for me to see one that far up in shallow water. I think he came up from coal creek to feed during a generation and found himself stuck. He sure had the trout moving.

Also; I am starting to find some larger fish dead. They look healthy and I have not noticed any indicators in their throats that could explain their demise. It could be stress from the low water and low DO that is taking them down...(?)

Has anyone fished the church late (7:30-9pm) for sulphur action? That has been the only time I have seen a decent hatch on the river this year....


We drifted from Miller to Peach today…..there were a few rises early, prior to and just after the rise in the river reaching Miller. I’ll just say that we didn’t fair too well:frown:. Couple of items to note:
1) There were no rises once we got past Miller.
2) There were a few mayflies coming off of the surface, but they were few and far between.
3) I’ve never seen so much algae in the river…..the generators kicked up a lot and I was having to clean my fly about every third to fifth cast.
4) To Shawn’s post….we saw two stripers heading upstream. The first was just below Massengill bridge, the second was just above the I-75 bridge. Unmistakable….both had the silver-blue look and they were both huge.
5) Spoke to a fella while we were taking out at Peach Orchard…..he had caught several while wading above the weir. I have a feeling that water temp may have something to do with it….he certainly did better than us.
While we didn’t fair too well, the weather was wonderful and it sure as heck beat sitting at home or doing yardwork!