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Birdman
08-21-2012, 12:27 PM
I'll be fishing somewhere around 4500 ft. plus the last week of September in the smokies. I don't have enough experience to know if I will need waders then or not. Will the water be cold enough to warrant packing the waders in?

David Knapp
08-21-2012, 12:46 PM
Streams are small enough at that elevation that you really won't have to be in the water much at all anyway. I would wet wade unless we get a very early winter which is doubtful. It also depends on your comfort level with cold as mornings could be chilly and streams will be cooler at that time of year. I normally wet wade even on the larger streams well into October and sometimes even into November.

duckypaddler
08-21-2012, 01:07 PM
If it warm enough to fish the Smokies - It's warm enough to wet wade:biggrin:

Save you waders for the tailwaters or really large streams.

At 4500 I would never wear waders as the freedom of movement becomes more of an issue than temp of water (typically under 2 feet). Plus if your getting too cold wet wading you shpuld probably be hiding more on the sides with less disruption of the stream:smile:

mattblick
08-21-2012, 03:10 PM
I'll be fishing somewhere around 4500 ft. plus the last week of September in the smokies. I don't have enough experience to know if I will need waders then or not. Will the water be cold enough to warrant packing the waders in?

My stance is about 180 from the other guys: if it is too hot to wear my Chota Hippies (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/store/product.php?productid=18692&cat=1249&page=1), it is probably too hot to be fishing. One of my best purchases from LRO, ever..

I never regret the weight added to my pack. They roll up small enough to fit inside my wading boots. Hippies provide much more mobility than waist high waders, let alone chest waders. The ability to roll them down to a slim profile to cool off when temperatures do climb a bit is just icing on the cake. I should mention that I don't like wading at all without the ankle support and grip that wading boots provide; so the additional ounces of added weight just aren't much. For people that can get by without wading boots, the weight difference would be considerably different and maybe wet wading would make more sense.

A lighter yet, and less expensive -- though less durable alternate would be knee-high sealskinz socks. If used solely for wading, durability might not be an issue. However I had a pair of sealskinz wear out after 2 hiking trips. (admittedly long miles and probably not what they are designed for)

-Matt-

Rog 1
08-21-2012, 04:50 PM
I too will be up in the Smokies that same week .... and am usually up there every year at that time for a week's fishing...while I do own a pair of chest waders I have never worn them...used to fish in shorts that time of year until the stinging thissle got so bad in some places...now we just fish in our wading boots and a pair of nylon fishing/hiking pants....a pair of neophrene booties helps with the cool water but I vote freedom of movement and lack of weight over what little warmth they will provide that time of year.

Birdman
08-21-2012, 06:03 PM
Thanks for all the responses. I'll have to be in the stream quite a bit. I didn't want to carry the extra weight if it wasn't necessary.

NDuncan
08-21-2012, 07:13 PM
I was near that elevation over the last bit of September-first of October last year. It started as a warm weekend when wet wading was comfortable but ended with the first real strong cold front and hiking out through a stream in the morning when the air is in the low thirties isn't super fun but my wool socks kept my feet reasonably warm during the hike out even if they were soaking wet. If I had had waders I would have worn them but did ok without.

yonder
08-21-2012, 07:45 PM
I use the simms footies........if it gets too cold....I stand on the bank for a spell.........late november is a different story however!!!!:smile:

Cane Pole
08-21-2012, 08:49 PM
Thanks for all the responses. I'll have to be in the stream quite a bit. I didn't want to carry the extra weight if it wasn't necessary.

Yeah - trust me on this. You don't want waders that high. Would be much too difficult to get around.

btw: nice looking dawg

Birdman
08-21-2012, 09:47 PM
Yeah - trust me on this. You don't want waders that high. Would be much too difficult to get around.

btw: nice looking dawg

Thanks! Yours is a top notch looking dog as well. Never met a setter I didn't like. I think I'll let the waders stay at home and cash in the weight for something else I probably don't need to carry either :biggrin:

Cane Pole
08-23-2012, 01:08 PM
Thanks! Yours is a top notch looking dog as well. Never met a setter I didn't like. I think I'll let the waders stay at home and cash in the weight for something else I probably don't need to carry either :biggrin:

Did you ever see "Hunting with Hank" on TV? That's Hank's nephew.

... OR you could be like me and forget everything :eek:

Birdman
08-24-2012, 11:40 PM
I did! I used to watch that show and really liked it. Hank was a great dog. Didn't he get a new dog named Des?

Redfish62
08-26-2012, 09:35 AM
In the heat of summer I love fishing in my shorts. Felts with neoprene shocks works great it comfortable and cool. Some times the nettles and stuff can be a problem but wet wading is the way to go in the summer.

ifish4wildtrout
08-26-2012, 10:33 AM
It really just depends on the person. Some people wear waders in July fishing in a foot of water, other will wet wade in March.

Personally, I usually don my waders around the end of October/first of November and I am wet wading by the end of March/first of April.

Wet wading gear for me is PGF quick dry long pants, neoprene booties, and wading boots. Long pants to fight of the nettle.

benintenn
08-26-2012, 05:00 PM
I don not own waders at all. I wet wade starting in March and ending in late October. I just wear convertible hiking shorts, neoprene booties, and my Keen sandals.

Cane Pole
08-26-2012, 05:57 PM
I did! I used to watch that show and really liked it. Hank was a great dog. Didn't he get a new dog named Des?

Des Young was the guy who owned Hank. The new dog's name was Dash.
I thought it was a good show.

duckypaddler
08-26-2012, 06:53 PM
My legs are still cut underneath my pants:biggrin:

Those NC nettles may even be meaner than we have on the TN side:eek:

I couldn't imagine what my legs would look like if I wore shorts, but am sure I'd need a bigger first aid kit.

Are you people in shorts getting into the backcountry? If so do you just stick to nice trails and the many paths that lead from the trail to the creek, or do you get get up close with the nettles, rhodo, greenbriers, or whatever else may be in your path?:smile:

NDuncan
08-26-2012, 07:48 PM
My legs are still cut underneath my pants:biggrin:

Those NC nettles may even be meaner than we have on the TN side:eek:

I couldn't imagine what my legs would look like if I wore shorts, but am sure I'd need a bigger first aid kit.

Are you people in shorts getting into the backcountry? If so do you just stick to nice trails and the many paths that lead from the trail to the creek, or do you get get up close with the nettles, rhodo, greenbriers, or whatever else may be in your path?:smile:

Like big *** rapids? :eek: no the nc nettles are definitely much worse than the tn nettles. In tn, the nettles don't shoot daggers through bullet proof vests or aim directly for your eyeball...

duckypaddler
08-26-2012, 08:11 PM
Like big *** rapids? :eek:

No, I prefer to save the rapids for when I'm in my kayak. That **** looks way out of hand without a boat, helmet, and lifejacket:eek: Furthermore I lack the balls (sorry Paula:smile:), and skills to ever be there in a kayak anyway. Note to self dry granite - OK, Wet granite BAD

I'm just REALLY glad you didn't wash down into that:eek:

I may just call you the "Man from Sleepy Hollow" from time to time, I hope that is OK:smile:

I'm only dissappointed the head cam died before that, that would be some nice footage along with my own slide into chest deep water:biggrin:

Gotta love the Smokies

NDuncan
08-26-2012, 08:35 PM
All I've got to say is WORTH EVERY SECOND and I'm pretty sure I owe you a rod/reel

Redfish62
08-27-2012, 07:53 PM
I get in those NC nettles on Deep Creek, I guess I have enough hair to offer some protection.

NDuncan
08-27-2012, 09:54 PM
On deep creek they don't have those Precambrian nettles that can saw through a steel plate :eek:

mattblick
08-30-2012, 05:47 PM
Precambrian nettles :eek: - I'll keep being the wimp with the hip waders.. :biggrin: