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Corbo
09-15-2012, 10:18 PM
Fished the PO on the Clinch today and saw two different fellows killing several slot fish.... one cleaned, beheaded and gutted down river from the launch and Shawn took pictures. Perhaps he will post them here. One was a good sized rainbow head the other was the guts from a brown with eggs.

I have about had it with TWRA.... do they exist? What sense is there having "rules" if they can be easily and blatantly violated?

Isn't it against the law to disfigure a fish to make it difficult to determine it's length? Why are there not a bunch of large "interpretive signs" alomg the river so idiots who cannot read the law book have some idea as to the fines? Guess the chances of getting busted are zero.

These gutted fish would be so easily hidden in the boats used by the lawbreakers that I'm certain TWRA would not easily have found them.

The game wardens in Maine were totally committed to catching fish & game thieves and the penalties there were extremely pricey. Maine Wardens actually work weekends and get "comp time" for week days off duty.

My catch today was a bunch of small bows none over 9 inches, some as small as six.... does anyone know if these were recently stocked fish or might they be naturally produced?

Saw no stripers today; only sinners

BlueRaiderFan
09-15-2012, 10:32 PM
Can they be everywhere at once? If I see them on the river on a regular basis and they respond to me when I send pics in of things like you mention, then I have to say they are doing their job. It would help if you followed those guys and got some pics of license plates and vehicles.

waterwolf
09-16-2012, 05:56 AM
Here we go again.

If you want it to stop either say something or call TWRA.

If you saw someone breaking into your neighbors house would you simply look the other way?

Please don't just come here whining when you could have done something to help.

MadisonBoats
09-16-2012, 08:13 AM
I was too far away to accurately gauge their creel. Also; I really did not want to chase people down to inspect their takes. However; if I were closer and in contact; I would have politely mentioned the creel and tried to guide them straight going forward.

mstone
09-16-2012, 11:16 AM
The bottom line is that regulations are worthless without enforcement.Period. Enforcement, like it or not starts with the law abiding anglers paying attention. We all understand that there are not enough TWRA personnel to be everywhere at once. Confrontation is not really the way to go here, but at least report it to the authorities. I fished the Hiwassee a lot for years, and I saw a lot of poachers in the trophy section at that time. I would watch from a distance and eventually let them know I was there. This was mostly before I had a cell phone, but I would always call TWRA AND REPORT IT!! I look forward to this time of year to fish some of the DH streams in North Carolina, but the past few years it seems that the poachers have had there way with it and it's sort of lost its appeal to me. Badges? We don't need no stinkin badges. just make a phone call and let someone know it's happening.....

Flat Fly n
09-16-2012, 03:11 PM
Blue Raider...don' t you mostly fish the Caney? The Clinch goes unpoliced. Every poacher for three states goes there! Why our boys are over on Norris with jet skis watching the pretty girls from Ohio riding around in their ski boats and not worrying about some stinky fisherman keeping slot fish.

The wardens in Maine did have pride in their resources, these guys, I'm not so sure they care about the Clinch. How else does a guy fish there for over 25 years and NEVER get checked?

I wish TN would do what happened to my father in PA when I was a kid. We were visiting PA and of course my Dad didn't buy a license and was fishing. Rules were not made for him by the way. Anyway an undercover warden that was fishing as the time saw him do something wrong and he got caught, fined, and it was a huge mess. Made a lasting impression on me! It would be great to have a warden be able to fish and work at the same time on the tailwaters here in TN. Once that word got out this BS would stop. Maybe add a $2.00 surcharge/tax to fish tailwaters like migratory birds to pay for some warden to work and fish on Saturdays. Just to see these bums busted I would pay $50 bucks for the entertainment. So yeah, my Dad was a bum too for fishing without a license at the time before anyone chimes in.

joetroutman
09-16-2012, 06:50 PM
Ya'll wanna know where they were? I counted 14 of them standing on the sidelines of the TN vs. FL game at Neyland. I know the game was not until 6 but I would bet that they were not working in the morning so they could rest up to watch the game. But were they really needed to control the crowd, i think the other 1,500 police and security agents were enough. But this does not explain where they are every other week.

waterwolf
09-16-2012, 07:34 PM
I refrained from saying this earlier but after an eight hour float I figured what the ****.

On this forum and most fly fishing forums fish size is exaggerated more times than not. I don't believe it comes from a desire to deceive more so a lack of experience measuring fish.

Based on what I have seen in the forum world, it is entirely possible what appears to be a slot fish could easily be a legal fish, based on some of the claims I read weekly around he interwebs.

All too often a 12" fish is called 16", and 14" fish are called 18". I have seen folks with solid 13" fish which could appear as slot fish, but are just short.

Just something to keep in mind before causing a scene. Maybe it is time for a picture quiz?

Flat Fly n
09-16-2012, 09:59 PM
Ya'll wanna know where they were? I counted 14 of them standing on the sidelines of the TN vs. FL game at Neyland. I know the game was not until 6 but I would bet that they were not working in the morning so they could rest up to watch the game. But were they really needed to control the crowd, i think the other 1,500 police and security agents were enough. But this does not explain where they are every other week.

Heck, I guess they were expecting even the carp from the river to rush the field when TN put a whooping on those gators!?.....that can only explain why they were there unless the FL fans were going to release allligators on our coon dog? Good lawdy, them college kids now got WILDlife officers to corral them!

My Sportman's license at work!

David Knapp
09-16-2012, 10:32 PM
I'll second (or third or whatever) contacting TWRA. Having minimal experience on the Clinch, I cannot obviously guarantee that anything will be done, but I have reported overlimit issues to TWRA from a favorite striper/white bass/warm water spot further down the same river (including pictures of the car and license plates via email) and can say with much satisfaction that the people who were regular visitors (and violators) did not show up anymore... TWRA does have their problems, but given a good tip, they will usually take care of business...just my two cents...

waterwolf
09-16-2012, 10:41 PM
I'll second (or third or whatever) contacting TWRA. Having minimal experience on the Clinch, I cannot obviously guarantee that anything will be done, but I have reported overlimit issues to TWRA from a favorite striper/white bass/warm water spot further down the same river (including pictures of the car and license plates via email) and can say with much satisfaction that the people who were regular visitors (and violators) did not show up anymore... TWRA does have their problems, but given a good tip, they will usually take care of business...just my two cents...
Anyone who knows me, or reads much of my drivel here knows I despise TWRA for the most part.

However, their enforcement is pretty dang good, they are just stretched really thin. If given a solid lead they will follow up on it, trust me I know from experience. A few years ago some dipwad decided to throw my name around as running a deer poaching ring online, obviously I had no idea. Well one afternoon whilst relaxing I get a knock on the door, I get up to go see who it is and see 2 TWRA Officers, open the door to be asked if they could come in for a little chat. They searched my entire house, naturally found nothing, and left. Case closed, since I was 100% innocent and the victim of a scam.

My point is, they will do the leg work when given the chance and the time.

I have begged for years to add a river specific permit to our tailwaters, i.e. a CLinch Stamp, to fund a Clinch only GW. It has gone nowhere obviously, but I still believe it is a good idea.

Back to the subject, if you see someone breaking the law say something or pick up the phone. Coming to the internet to whine will never solve the problem.

MadisonBoats
09-17-2012, 07:31 AM
On this forum and most fly fishing forums fish size is exaggerated more times than not. I don't believe it comes from a desire to deceive more so a lack of experience measuring fish.

All too often a 12" fish is called 16", and 14" fish are called 18". I have seen folks with solid 13" fish which could appear as slot fish, but are just short.

I concur with this point. I see misjudged fish size all the time. Most of the situations are just lack of experience or not actually measuring the fish.

Anyone who knows me, or reads much of my drivel here knows I despise TWRA for the most part.

However, their enforcement is pretty dang good, they are just stretched really thin. If given a solid lead they will follow up on it, trust me I know from experience. A few years ago some dipwad decided to throw my name around as running a deer poaching ring online, obviously I had no idea. Well one afternoon whilst relaxing I get a knock on the door, I get up to go see who it is and see 2 TWRA Officers, open the door to be asked if they could come in for a little chat. They searched my entire house, naturally found nothing, and left. Case closed, since I was 100% innocent and the victim of a scam.

My point is, they will do the leg work when given the chance and the time.

I have begged for years to add a river specific permit to our tailwaters, i.e. a CLinch Stamp, to fund a Clinch only GW. It has gone nowhere obviously, but I still believe it is a good idea.

Back to the subject, if you see someone breaking the law say something or pick up the phone. Coming to the internet to whine will never solve the problem.

Wow! That would have irked me at first! Glad you were able to cordially comply and help them move on to other things. Sounds like they may need to investigate the person who reported you...

Grumpy
09-17-2012, 08:18 AM
I agree with the "report them if ya see them" part. One other thing to consider, let's say they write me a $200 ticket for not having a life jacket, if they don't show up for court, the judge will probably toss it, if they do show, they'll collect less than $20 for the fine with the rest going to court cost:eek:, in the meantime, the poachers probably know the court dates(go figure) & that's when they go fishing.
A warden on one stream i fish has told me if i see something really, really, really breaking the law to call him, otherwise, if he goes to court over a few fish over the limit, or one to big or small, it's another day he won't be patrolling:frown:
Heck, maybe ya'll will get lucky & have a few canoe/kayak rental places open up there, the poachers can take a backseat to that mayhem.

Grumpy

Grannyknot
09-17-2012, 08:30 AM
Can't expect an agency with so many responsibilities, and streched so thin to be everywhere at once. Just like you can't expect the police to sit around your neighborhood making sure houses aren't getting broken into.

No need to confront anyone, just call the hotline.

Grumpy
09-17-2012, 09:13 AM
Can't expect an agency with so many responsibilities, and streched so thin to be everywhere at once. Just like you can't expect the police to sit around your neighborhood making sure houses aren't getting broken into.

No need to confront anyone, just call the hotline.

That's the problem in a nutshell, TWRA needs to find a way to have more officers on the heavier used waters in the state, even then, they can't be everywhere.

Grumpy

NDuncan
09-17-2012, 11:12 AM
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Same is true for poachers. If everytime you see someone breaking the regs, or it looks like they are breaking the regs, and you don't do anything, like ask, inform, or call, because you are either, too interested in your own fishing to stop what you are doing, or too passive - you are contributing to their poaching indirectly by enabling future bad behavior. At least calling doesn't require actual confrontation, and I don't think you need to approach someone with guns drawn and a lynch mob to make a difference.

77punk
09-19-2012, 04:52 PM
i find it amazing that some of you have never been checked on the clinch. i ran into ranger smith a few weeks ago just above peach orchard. he checked my brother in law, and asked for mine. he never looked at it once he remembered me from our last encounter, when i was raising **** at him over all the dying brown trout on the weir dam last november. that was the second time in 12 months, third in two years. i have run into him twice @ PO, and once near the weir. i know he fishes the clinch for trout, because he told me the fishing doesn't get good until the shoals below PO an on down. he was leaving the same time as we were, and even helped me get my truck unstuck ('cause i parked like an idjit, i'll admit it) however i can agree that i do not see him often enough. i once heard there were only 2 or 3 rangers for all of anderson county. anyone know if this is true?

Corbo
09-19-2012, 06:26 PM
Thanks Punk;

My bet is that TWRA guys don't work weekends; don't think they like the crowds.

waterwolf
09-19-2012, 07:59 PM
Thanks Punk;

My bet is that TWRA guys don't work weekends; don't think they like the crowds.

Wrong, they work every weekend. Bash TWRA all you want, but when it comes to enforcement the issue isn't desire it is man power.

MadisonBoats
09-20-2012, 07:43 AM
Thanks Punk;

My bet is that TWRA guys don't work weekends; don't think they like the crowds.

Wrong, they work every weekend. Bash TWRA all you want, but when it comes to enforcement the issue isn't desire it is man power.

Corbo,
I have to agree with Waterwolf! The TWRA guys put in the hours and they are working almost every weekend. They have the dilemma of balancing patrol, enforcement, and responding to calls. I wish the state would increase their numbers and budget!:smile:

Flat Fly n
09-20-2012, 11:13 AM
Corbo,
I have to agree with Waterwolf! The TWRA guys put in the hours and they are working almost every weekend. They have the dilemma of balancing patrol, enforcement, and responding to calls. I wish the state would increase their numbers and budget!:smile:

MB,
Time for another bar chart survey.

Would you be willing to pay a tailwater tax/license each year in addition to your fishing license for the SOLE purpose of hiring additional officers or paying for overtime to patrol and enforce tailwater regulations? YES/NO

I mean seriously. Roughly, 11 cents a day is what we pay to trout fish in this state? $10 additional won't kill anybody. How much do you guys pay to play ONE round of golf a year?

77punk
09-20-2012, 11:23 AM
i know the most recent time was a saturday, around 11am. as for the other two times, i can't remember. i have only ever seen him above the PO launch. i have never seen any ranger near the jail area. unlike the caney, when my brother and i were checked on two consecutive days