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$3Bridge
04-30-2013, 07:26 AM
My new son-in-law and daughter are meeting us in Gatlinburg this weekend. He is an avid bass fisherman, but has never cast a fly rod in his life. Where would you take a first timer in the area so there is less likely to be frustrations with learning how to fish for trout?

Normally I would be up the Little River trail, or a few miles up Tremont, but I am thinking the trees and tight quarters are not the best for first time. I am thinking about staying in the town and fishing the stocked WPLP since that might be easier, plus it gives him a somewhat realistic chance at catching something. I have never fished in the city limits, so I have no idea if its good or not. I just read they stock it every Thursday.

Advice appreciated. Thanks everyone.

Bugslinger
04-30-2013, 08:01 AM
I've not been fishing long myself, so I like smaller streams where a few feet of line plus the leader is enough. Roaring fork is right next to Gatlinburgh but doesn't get a lot of pressure. I just flip and high stick a couple nymphs and usually do pretty good. Good luck where ever you go

Rog 1
04-30-2013, 09:27 AM
Roaring Fork is a neat little stream....best stretch is the lower end...pull off after the last bridge with a couple of trees...be warned that this is not a stretch to fish in high water since there are 2-3 places that require you to mtn. goat around some spots...if the water is still high try the little stream that runs behind Park HQ...start fishing where it crosses under LR road...any bead head nymph run thru some of the little deep runs will end up being eaten....size of fish for this water may surprise you....good luck and let us know how you did

Streamhound
04-30-2013, 09:59 AM
He might not want to learn to cast in the middle of the people in Gburg. Yep it is stocked but it also full of folks who will stop to watch. Agree that if water permits roaring fork might be a good idea

BlueRaiderFan
04-30-2013, 03:40 PM
I would teach him how to roll cast and take him to Jakes Creek or to where the river runs through the campground at Elkmont. It's probably the easiest water I've found to fish in the park and I always catch on or two.

$3Bridge
04-30-2013, 09:36 PM
Thanks for the help everyone. My experience in the park is limited to Abrams, Little River, Tremont, Oconaluftee, and Bradley Fork. Probably know Bradley better than any other of those. Don't have time to take him over the mountain to learn.

flyred06
05-01-2013, 08:59 AM
Greenbrier up past the Ramsey cascade bridge would be my first suggestion. Easy wading lots of fish and pretty easy casting. That's where I started out at.

JoeFred
05-01-2013, 09:39 AM
$3Bridge, I suggest you not rule out Lower West Prong Little Pigeon accessible at one of the Quiet Walkways off Newfound Gap Rd (US 441) just above Sugarlands. Free download of maps of streams mentioned and more are available. See littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16574 (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16574) .
Thanks for introducing a new angler the sport and have a great trip.
JF

$3Bridge
05-01-2013, 11:41 AM
Been emailing back and forth with son-in-law this morning. He wants to go where the best opportunity is to catch and keep fish (I will have to work on his conservation / catch and release ethic a bit), as he wants to take a few fish back to the cabin to cook. So since that is what he wants to do, we will do Gatlinburg together, as I would never keep a native park fish.

So all that being said and narrowed down, best spots recommended for in the city fishing? Hey, at least my wife and daughter will be happy that they can drop us off and pick us up.

NDuncan
05-01-2013, 12:48 PM
Been emailing back and forth with son-in-law this morning. He wants to go where the best opportunity is to catch and keep fish (I will have to work on his conservation / catch and release ethic a bit), as he wants to take a few fish back to the cabin to cook. So since that is what he wants to do, we will do Gatlinburg together, as I would never keep a native park fish.

So all that being said and narrowed down, best spots recommended for in the city fishing? Hey, at least my wife and daughter will be happy that they can drop us off and pick us up.

The only fish 'native' to the park are the brookies... and even in the most pressured streams, most of the trout are overpopulated - leading to smaller fish size, stress on resources, which can lead to a bigger problem than someone keeping a few from in the park.

Someone help me out with the average? 3000 trout/river mile? Even if he keeps a limit of 5 (which in the first time flyfishing isn't too likely) he won't even make a dent in that.

But to each his own.

David Knapp
05-01-2013, 01:30 PM
I'm with NDuncan on this. The Park biologists have stated before that they wish more fishermen would keep a few fish on occasion. Keeping a few fish won't hurt the park streams, especially as long as people are taking out the pan-sized fish and leaving any big spawners in the ecosystem. I don't eat fish but from what I've been told the wild trout taste a lot better as well.

Crockett
05-01-2013, 03:13 PM
I agree with these guys let him take a couple and don't feel "guilty" about it. After all that's pretty much why God put em in there (for people to eat) oh and also for fly fishing.

I like flyred's idea on Greenbrier area middle prong if nothing else for the scenery.

silvercreek
05-01-2013, 03:53 PM
What the heck am I supposed to catch if you guys take the stupid ones out of the stream?

Rog 1
05-01-2013, 04:48 PM
If he wants to keep some fish don't keep the stockers...you would know what I mean if you ever cleaned one next to a wild fish...The problem with the Park's freestone streams is that they are not fertile enough to sustain a large population of insect life which means there is only a finite amount of food for the trout....just like a farm pond...if you don't harvest some of the fish all you get are stunted fish and lots of them. Play catch and release if you must but release them into the grease...fish the lower section of Roaring Fork...use a parachute adams or a neversink caddis...once you commit to this section you either fish to the bridge or walk back downstream...some of the water in there will amaze you...once had a local tell me the best fly to use there was a yallarhammar wet fly...you will catch a lot of keepers in the 7-8 inch range with occasionally something bigger....keep the small ones, dust them in cornmeal and fry them up crispy....ear them like corn on the cob....won't be so quick to throw them all back after that.

$3Bridge
05-01-2013, 05:32 PM
If he wants to keep some fish don't keep the stockers...you would know what I mean if you ever cleaned one next to a wild fish...The problem with the Park's freestone streams is that they are not fertile enough to sustain a large population of insect life which means there is only a finite amount of food for the trout....just like a farm pond...if you don't harvest some of the fish all you get are stunted fish and lots of them. Play catch and release if you must but release them into the grease...fish the lower section of Roaring Fork...use a parachute adams or a neversink caddis...once you commit to this section you either fish to the bridge or walk back downstream...some of the water in there will amaze you...once had a local tell me the best fly to use there was a yallarhammar wet fly...you will catch a lot of keepers in the 7-8 inch range with occasionally something bigger....keep the small ones, dust them in cornmeal and fry them up crispy....ear them like corn on the cob....won't be so quick to throw them all back after that.

Actually I am going to do some scouting on Friday because my wife and I will arrive hours before my daughter and son in law. I was seriously thinking Roaring Fork, but have never tried it. I'm sure I can convince him of alternatives once I get this scouted out. How long does it take to fish the section of the stream? We do have time restrictions unfortunately. And how much rock climbing? I did a number on my knee last year in Tremont, so much so I could not wade at all.

Bran
05-01-2013, 07:17 PM
I would go up to Chimneys and try Road Prong. That's a fine place to "hook" a new fisherman. It's only 20 minutes or so above Gburg and its loaded with some fine fish.

$3Bridge
05-01-2013, 07:35 PM
I would go up to Chimneys and try Road Prong. That's a fine place to "hook" a new fisherman. It's only 20 minutes or so above Gburg and its loaded with some fine fish.

I forgot that I tried that many years ago. Wasn't sure if I was on WPLP or Road. Parked at Alum Cave and fished in that section of stream one time. Must have been 25-30 years ago though. Plenty of fish I do recall.

BlueRaiderFan
05-01-2013, 08:03 PM
I've started keeping one or two on occasion...there are far too many in those waters.

NDuncan
05-01-2013, 11:04 PM
I would go up to Chimneys and try Road Prong. That's a fine place to "hook" a new fisherman. It's only 20 minutes or so above Gburg and its loaded with some fine fish.

Keep in mind the chimneys trailhead is closed. The bridge was still out and the whole parking lot closed as of two weeks ago. I haven't checked since then.

duckypaddler
05-02-2013, 08:06 AM
Keep in mind the chimneys trailhead is closed. The bridge was still out and the whole parking lot closed as of two weeks ago. I haven't checked since then.

Scheduled to be open June 30th. Trails forever work will start again then and it will be closed Mon-Thur and open fri-sun while they complete the trail rehab. I'm glad they decided to leave the old CCC pier making this a much smaller project than some that were calling for a new monster bridge that could stretch the whole river

JoeFred
05-02-2013, 10:58 AM
Been emailing back and forth with son-in-law this morning. He wants to go where the best opportunity is to catch and keep fish (I will have to work on his conservation / catch and release ethic a bit), as he wants to take a few fish back to the cabin to cook. So since that is what he wants to do, we will do Gatlinburg together, as I would never keep a native park fish.

So all that being said and narrowed down, best spots recommended for in the city fishing? Hey, at least my wife and daughter will be happy that they can drop us off and pick us up.

How about catching trout by bait fishing in G'burg and then fly fishing for trout above Sugarlands?

$3Bridge
05-02-2013, 02:58 PM
How about CATCHING trout bait fishing in G'burg AND then fly fishing FOR trout above Sugarlands?

Seems as if my daughter wants to learn now. Oh to be newly married and want to fish lol.

My son in law came up with a 5 weight Sage rod. He texted me to ask if Sage rods are any good. He said he went out on the pond at his work to practice casting during lunch. I guess he may be serious after all. Maybe we will try WPLP near Chimneys after all. Who knows?

tnflyfisher
05-02-2013, 05:35 PM
I suggest you not rule out Lower West Prong Little Pigeon accessible at one of the Quiet Walkways off Newfound Gap Rd (US 441) just above Sugarlands.
JF

I concur... ;)


Tight Lines,

JoeFred
05-02-2013, 06:29 PM
Seems as if my daughter wants to learn now. Oh to be newly married and want to fish lol.
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That's a bit of a problem that your daugter wants to join in. A problem like an overcrowded church. :smile:
You folks should have great time even if you have to settle for carryout from Smoky Mountain Trout House.;)
I commend you for getting them involved. I can kinda relate.

I got my son and daughter into the fun on trips to Elkmont, South Holston, etc. Some time later I got to introduce my daughter's husband to the sport and the Smokies. It was one memorable trip for both of us trip. See the thread
"1st Wild Trout and 1st Smoky Slam (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10641)" by Brook Fan.