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duckypaddler
05-11-2013, 08:41 AM
It seems like rain has been in the forecast making it much harder to find time to fish this Spring. Luckily the wash out the weather man was talking about mostly dissapated by the time it got past the Plateau, and I was able to grab a day while the rivers were great levels:smile: Freddie and Vic went out the day before and fished 2 nice Smokies streams but unfortunately the high water made for some tough fishing. They both would join me today, and after filling up with a good breakfast headed for the stream.

Crockett creek is a place that is so mysterious it even isn't on the topo map:eek: In fact, if you go looking for it you won't even be able to find it. The only way you can get there is to spend many days exploring Smokies Brookie streams, and even then you will only find it by accident:confused: And that is exactly how I found it today:biggrin:

We hiked in to the river, and since there were 3 of us I headed downstream. I have been doing these trips with Freddie for 4 or so years, but while Vic is a guru tailwater fisherman, he is now just leaning to fish the park since recently moving here from California so I left him with Freddie.

When I first hit the water downstream, I was immediately grinning:biggrin:
First cast, missed a nice one. Second cast small bump. Third cast

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/001_zps2ea19eb2.jpg


He probably shouldn't have counted as he went for the dry only to get tangled in my dropper. There was probably 10 to 12 pools right in a row on this section, as I thought to myself about how last time I had put in just upstream.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/004_zpsf5dfeb4b.jpg

Still no feeding frenzy, but the fishing was GOOD:biggrin:

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/003_zps66b39350.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/005_zps9f21334d.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/006_zpsd3d70569.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/008_zpsa9760a56.jpg

Will continue in another post

duckypaddler
05-11-2013, 09:09 AM
I was about to be caught up where Vic and Freddie started fishing when I landed this beauty. I showed Freddie a pic on the trail, and he said I call that "Orange and Butter".

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/009_zps81be222c.jpg

I still managed to pick up a few once I got to the stale water, and it wasn't too long till I caught up to Vic hung up in the Rhodo. I tried to assure him that this was just part of the Smokies learning curve, but I can remember how frustating it is when you first learn to deal with Smokies conditions:eek:

I caught up to Freddie who was also having a good day. The 3 of us continued upstream alternating the better pools between the three of us.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/011_zpsa7a6aaa1.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/012_zps908c8346.jpg

The vertical view

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/014_zps152e3082.jpg

Then we hit what I perceived to be an island. Freddie and Vic went left, I went right. I fished for several hundred yards, and it still felt like an island so I continued. I was picking up some nice fish.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/015_zps24d83bdd.jpg

I went another few hundred yard and the bend toward to other river allowed me to fool myself into still thinking it was still an island.

I pushed on further and in every nice pool there was a great fish to distract me.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/018_zps3f4812ba.jpg

Then you come to the realization that is may just not be an island, but this guy makes you want to ignore that and keep fishing:biggrin:



http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/020_zps8dadc588.jpg

While the fishing was great and I didn't want to stop it was now 2 PM (The time the rain was supposed to set in), and I was separated from my fishing buddies. I turned on my GPS and was a bit surprised when it showed my not on a stream and heading straight up the mountain. Time to climb back down:rolleyes:. Nothing like downstream walking that makes realize how much ground one can cover in a short period of time. As I got near the bottom I was it was only a short stretch through some really thick rhodo to jump over to the correct stream. Glad to be on the right stream I now had to find Freddie and Vic. After some hooting and hollering I was able to get a good idea of general area, and ten or so minutes later we were all united for the hike out. I snapped a few flower shots and we ended our day.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q548/duckypaddler/Crockett%20Creek/024_zpscdee64cb.jpg

So if you ever are on a great commonly overlooked brookie stream, go right at an island and find out you are lost. Your not lost you just found Crockett Creek:biggrin:

Stonefly
05-11-2013, 10:07 AM
Cool report Ducky!

steve

David Knapp
05-11-2013, 11:02 AM
Man you have the greatest adventures chasing specks up there! Glad you had a good time. Those are some absolutely gorgeous fish!

tnflyfisher
05-11-2013, 01:47 PM
Man you have the greatest adventures chasing specks up there!

I concur... ;)
DP is the brookie king of the mountains!!

Great report!! I need to get up there on them streams with the king...


Tight Lines,

Thunderhead8
05-11-2013, 02:16 PM
Great Pictures of beautiful fish and gorgeous country!! Just curious, after you took that right and fished it, how did you learn the name of the creek? Also, gotta wonder how many other little streams there are like that up in those mountains.

We are so blessed to have the park in our back yard!

duckypaddler
05-11-2013, 07:34 PM
Great Pictures of beautiful fish and gorgeous country!! Just curious, after you took that right and fished it, how did you learn the name of the creek? Also, gotta wonder how many other little streams there are like that up in those mountains

As for the name of the creek, I forgot a critical detail to the story. Until about a year or so ago there was an off-trail smokies fourm that has proved to be a wealth of information. Adam Beal (Crockett on this fourm) was responding to a post about places in the Smokies where the topo maps are just wrong and told his story of doing the same thing fishing and throwing him for a loop:eek: Just as I grabbed my GPS, I remembered his post and figured out what I had done;)

While the real name isn't Crockett creek, I will give you a hint. If you look at a 1931 park map it has the creek correctly located (Joe Fred would probably know:smile:), but all newer maps just seem to be wrong:eek:

Thanks for others kind replies:smile:

JoeFred
05-11-2013, 09:54 PM
DP, the term "awesome" doesn't do justice to your report and, yes, I am convinced the '31 map is spot on.

Love the name you gave the stream, but the Crockett Creek with which I am most familiar meanders lazily through the lush meadows of Rogersville's southside... not that that's relevant. :biggrin:

Thunderhead8
05-12-2013, 12:04 AM
So, is the '31 topo map still available? A man has to wonder how satellite and GPS can't give us more accurate cartography.

Thunderhead8
05-12-2013, 12:12 AM
Also, does the '31 map show that tiny brookie "gorge" where the stream surges between two flat rock walls - Cricket Crack? Is Cricket Crack on Crockett Creek?

JoeFred
05-12-2013, 12:24 AM
So, is the '31 topo map still available?...

Here's one source:
memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/gmd:@field(NUMBER+@band(g3902g+np000173+np000174))

Crockett
05-13-2013, 09:54 AM
Ha I loved this James! Yeah it is amazing that the modern maps are wrong about the location of this pretty large stream but the 1930's maps are correct.

Crockett
05-13-2013, 10:00 AM
Ha I loved this James! Yeah it is amazing that the modern maps are wrong about the location of this pretty large stream but the 1930's maps are correct.

Mundele
05-13-2013, 02:50 PM
You should do it during a torrential downpour... Right Adam?

JoeFred
05-13-2013, 09:21 PM
... A man has to wonder how satellite and GPS can't give us more accurate cartography.

The Park's dense landcover has precluded there being more stream detail via satellite imagery and, back in the day, aerial photography. This has hampered there being good custom GPS maps and most, if not all, commercial printed maps have been designed on the basis of the TVA/USGS quads developed beginning in the 40s. Most of the quads, with the exception of some extending outside the park boundary (like the north half of the one titled Gatlinburg for example) have remained essentially unchanged. You can purchase any of the 28 22" x 27" 7.5 minute topographic maps from, among other sources, the Park store at Sugarlands and online (http://shop.smokiesinformation.org/category.cfm?keyword=quad). More recently USGS digitally scanned the originals, warts and all... as in the case of the illusive Crockett Creek :biggrin:. These are available free as digital raster graphic (DRG) files (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_raster_graphic) within the sets: http://libremap.org/data/state/tennessee/drg/ and http://libremap.org/data/state/north_carolina/drg/. More recently the quads became available as GeoPDFs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoPDF) viewable with full features with TerraGo Toolbar (http://www.terragotech.com/products/field-data-collection/terrago-toolbar)®, a free plug-in for Adobe® Reader®. For the GeoPDFs, go to http://store.usgs.gov and click "Map Locator & Download."

I learned, primarily from the forum CartoTalk (http://www.cartotalk.com) how to, as Jim Casada neatly described it, "cobble together maps" using the DRGs, MRLC Consortium Viewer (http://www.mrlc.gov/viewerjs/) and shareware. If anyone wants to dabble in this craziness, I can perhaps assist you. Feel free to drop me a line at fredturner at saintclairmapping dot com.

http://www.smokystreams.com/mbpics/thread16841_pic1.jpg
Snipped from the Gatlinburg quad.

Carolina Kudzu
05-13-2013, 11:29 PM
If "Crockett Creek" is the stream I am thinking of the current maps have it listed, BUT have it as a tributary of another stream one hollow over to the right, instead of a tributary of the correct stream. Hopefully this will get corrected on future USGS maps.

Crockett
05-14-2013, 10:22 AM
If "Crockett Creek" is the stream I am thinking of the current maps have it listed, BUT have it as a tributary of another stream one hollow over to the right, instead of a tributary of the correct stream. Hopefully this will get corrected on future USGS maps.

You are correct Carolina Kudzu that is the stream. Its a crying shame that its in the wrong place but that does seem to keep it kind of hidden. The hill between the two drainages is pretty low by Smokies standards so the aerial mapping just couldn't define it well enough I guess.