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fourx
05-19-2013, 02:39 PM
Tons of sulphurs mid-afternoon.
Rising fish everywhere.
No big heads comin up.
Malformed stockers.
What a waste of bugs.

4X

fourx
05-19-2013, 03:10 PM
I meant sat. 5/18.

mstone
05-19-2013, 06:22 PM
I saw some rise forms that spelled good size fish, but could you approach them....no. Had fun even with the crazy weather. I seemed to do better while it rained, before the main hatch took off. Water temp at 3:00 was right at 50 degrees....my feet knew it.

waterwolf
05-19-2013, 08:27 PM
Sporadic hatch at best where I was and very few fish interested in them as well. Things look iffy for a great year on the Clinch based on what I saw in 2 days of floating this past weekend. Fish size is small overall and didn't have the feel of a great Clinch year. Fished the Hiwassee last week and is was the best I've seen it in a long time.

MadisonBoats
05-20-2013, 06:52 AM
I think the fishing was excellent Saturday and tailed off a bit Sunday.

I landed about 50 Saturday in half-day fishing and caught several fat bows. Did not get anything over 16"; but, there were several meaty fish.

Of-course; the key fly for me this weekend was the Umpqua split-case.
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Here is a picture of my friend Beto with one of the thick rainbows we were catching.
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fourx
05-20-2013, 03:09 PM
Sporadic hatch at best where I was and very few fish interested in them as well. Things look iffy for a great year on the Clinch based on what I saw in 2 days of floating this past weekend. Fish size is small overall and didn't have the feel of a great Clinch year. Fished the Hiwassee last week and is was the best I've seen it in a long time.

I would classify my hatch as "Big".
I was fishing very, very, low on the river.
I had a super early spring down there but those trout seemed to have gone somewhere.

I went about a 1/2 mile upstream and didn't see as many bugs.
So, I reckon the full blown hatches are just starting and will move upriver soon.
The river, too me, looked awesome! Large patches of grass and a nice clean bottom.
I could give a rat's behind about catching these stupid,crappy,snaky,colorless,worthless,benign,par asitic,lily-livered stockers though!
Stock em at 4"!

4X

waterwolf
05-20-2013, 04:01 PM
I would classify my hatch as "Big".
I was fishing very, very, low on the river.
I had a super early spring down there but those trout seemed to have gone somewhere.

I went about a 1/2 mile upstream and didn't see as many bugs.
So, I reckon the full blown hatches are just starting and will move upriver soon.
The river, too me, looked awesome! Large patches of grass and a nice clean bottom.
I could give a rat's behind about catching these stupid,crappy,snaky,colorless,worthless,benign,par asitic,lily-livered stockers though!
Stock em at 4"!

4X

Glad you had a nice day, and I wasn't doubting your report just stating how it was for me. Hope you also enjoy the crowds who are undoubtedly aware now because of your report. Time for me to vanish to lesser spoken of places. I can't handle swarms of people anymore, it was nice this weekend with relatively few on the river.

Hope things continue to go well!

Rodonthefly
05-21-2013, 01:34 AM
Sorry guys,I just can't seem to get into chasing those clinch fish this year. I must be getting old or burnt out or something! I found my self catching Crappie this evening, lazy man fishing I guess! I'll let y'all know when the fish fry is :biggrin:. Until then 4x you can have my rock to stand on!

TylerG10
05-21-2013, 06:08 PM
Anyone planning on hitting the river after work this week? Eager to see how it's fishing during the week with this generation schedule. I'm going to try to get out one day this week.

ChemEAngler
05-21-2013, 09:35 PM
Sorry guys,I just can't seem to get into chasing those clinch fish this year. I must be getting old or burnt out or something! I found my self catching Crappie this evening, lazy man fishing I guess! I'll let y'all know when the fish fry is :biggrin:. Until then 4x you can have my rock to stand on!

I share your thoughts Rodney. I only fished it three times last year, and even gave up on my property access this year. Had a few run-ins with people with very poor fishing etiquette, and found that I was focusing too much exclusively on the Clinch. Gone were the days of chasing fish on the Holston, South Holston, Hiwassee, Caney Fork, Watauga, and in the park... I am hoping to get back to that this year.

old east tn boy
05-21-2013, 10:32 PM
Got on the water around 1:30 at the church. Only two others in sight. Relatively few bugs until about 3 pm and then Mother Nature turned the bug nursery loose. They came down the river in waves spaced about ten minutes apart. The trout loved it, rises everywhere. For the next two hours it was a blast. Fishing a double nymph rig it was either fish on or missed strike every third cast or so. I truly lost count but 15-20 would be an honest estimate. Size was consistently between 13-16 inches, all rainbows, nice fat rainbows. Mother Nature ended the fun with a thunderstorm. Mr. TWRA was in the parking lot gathering creel and river info but did not check my license, even though I offered to show it to him.
Ms. Annie had a ball too, showing more interest in fish now than she ever has for some reason. Being a Lab though, I still cannot get her to point on trout!

fourx
05-21-2013, 10:45 PM
I was there today too.
I love bugs.

4X

waterwolf
05-21-2013, 10:46 PM
I share your thoughts Rodney. I only fished it three times last year, and even gave up on my property access this year. Had a few run-ins with people with very poor fishing etiquette, and found that I was focusing too much exclusively on the Clinch. Gone were the days of chasing fish on the Holston, South Holston, Hiwassee, Caney Fork, Watauga, and in the park... I am hoping to get back to that this year.


What was an uncrowded river this past weekend has turned into an unmitigated zoo in a matter of days. I understand you and Rod's sentiments perfectly, and the crowds drove me from the Clinch years ago, I still sneak back from time to time, but it is usually before the crowds begin after everyone starts spreading the word.

The time has come to vanish for the summer, thankfully there are other places and species which get far less attention. Or should I say that those who chase those species in those places keeps a very low profile to protect the sanctuaries that remain.

I can share the water with other fly fisherman generally, and had a good time visiting today with some old friends I hadn't seen in a while, but the spillage of intel attracts a much more unsavory river guest, those who kill with no regard for etiquette, limits, or ethics in general.

MadisonBoats
05-22-2013, 06:34 AM
What was an uncrowded river this past weekend has turned into an unmitigated zoo in a matter of days. I understand you and Rod's sentiments perfectly, and the crowds drove me from the Clinch years ago, I still sneak back from time to time, but it is usually before the crowds begin after everyone starts spreading the word.

The time has come to vanish for the summer, thankfully there are other places and species which get far less attention. Or should I say that those who chase those species in those places keeps a very low profile to protect the sanctuaries that remain.

I can share the water with other fly fisherman generally, and had a good time visiting today with some old friends I hadn't seen in a while, but the spillage of intel attracts a much more unsavory river guest, those who kill with no regard for etiquette, limits, or ethics in general.

Jim,
I hate that you punish yourself for the acts of others. I enjoy the freedom of having the river to myself as well. However; I know that it is not mine and I am glad to share and see others enjoy it as well.

I tend to disagree with your last statement. I believe most of the members on this forum are fly fisherman and they tend to be some of the most respectful people I meet on the river. It could be that the weir dam access is closed and all the fish mongers have migrated to other spaces. They seem to be most lacking in fishing etiquette, laws, regulations, etc.

We need to promote the Clinch as a premiere fishery and promote conservation of this precious resource. Trust me; in the near future-we will all long for the days when a few fly fisherman on the water were our worries. Development will imp-roach on the Clinch and slowly erode the beauty of this fishery. The only way to thwart this is to be more involved in local politics.

There are lobbyist right now trying to get certain areas of the Clinch rezoned for mass development. They have the money connections and do not worry about the Clinch as a resource; only for their next cash cow and maybe some bank's next bankruptcy burden.

waterwolf
05-22-2013, 06:56 AM
Jim,


I tend to disagree with your last statement. I believe most of the members on this forum are fly fisherman and they tend to be some of the most respectful people I meet on the river. It could be that the weir dam access is closed and all the fish mongers have migrated to other spaces. They seem to be most lacking in fishing etiquette, laws, regulations, etc.




The posters I know who post here are all great folks and not the people I am mentioning in my previous post. I would be happy to spend a day on the water with any of them, and have spent time on the water with most of them.

I am specifically speaking about the bait slingers, bucket brigade, and folks who use the river as a grocery store.

They read forums and when glowing reports start flowing it not only attracts hoards of fly fisherman it also attracts hoards of bait fisherman as well.

Just something to keep in mind before myself or anyone else decides to boast about how great the Clinch or any river is fishing.

As I said before, generally most fly fisherman are courteous and pleasant to be around on the river. The same cannot be said for the lower class of angler which we share the river with unfortunately.

old east tn boy
05-22-2013, 08:16 AM
My opinion, for what it's worth .....

Anybody who has fished the Clinch in any form or fashion with any regularity pretty much knows what to expect, where and when. My saying/sharing with others on this board that I had a good day in a certain location on the river should not be disclosing any big secret. I seriously doubt it has much influence at all whether more people head to the river.

So, this begs the question; why have a place to share this information? Does it promote business for the sponsor, LRO? To a certain extent, sure. Is that bad? **** no! Does it promote interest in fishing, fly or otherwise? Sure it does. Next time you are out fishing take a look around to see how many young people are enjoying the sport. From my personal experience, you are going to see far more white hair out there than 20 somethings. I am all for disconnecting as many kids as possible from their XBox to discover the great outdoors.

As Madison Boats points out, the river is a resource for all of us. Let's share it, take care of it, protect it and encourage others to do the same.

fourx
05-22-2013, 10:02 AM
I think 'Wolf needs a "secret message" board to post on.

4X

bigsur
05-22-2013, 10:44 AM
My opinion, for what it's worth .....

Anybody who has fished the Clinch in any form or fashion with any regularity pretty much knows what to expect, where and when. My saying/sharing with others on this board that I had a good day in a certain location on the river should not be disclosing any big secret. I seriously doubt it has much influence at all whether more people head to the river.

So, this begs the question; why have a place to share this information? Does it promote business for the sponsor, LRO? To a certain extent, sure. Is that bad? **** no! Does it promote interest in fishing, fly or otherwise? Sure it does. Next time you are out fishing take a look around to see how many young people are enjoying the sport. From my personal experience, you are going to see far more white hair out there than 20 somethings. I am all for disconnecting as many kids as possible from their XBox to discover the great outdoors.

As Madison Boats points out, the river is a resource for all of us. Let's share it, take care of it, protect it and encourage others to do the same.

We have to share on here, you can't tell your wife or family, she thinks your at Lowes picking out paint for the bedroom! :biggrin: All kidding aside I agree with your mention above about the steadily aging fly fishing cadre on the river. I see the same thing whether on the river, TU meetings, or my Ski Patrol group in winter. I think this should be a burning issue for all of these groups for so many reasons, the passing of knowledge to those starting out, the continued conservation of our outdoors regardless of sports and support for the fly fishing organizations. Everyone of the younger set I have met on the rivers and streams have been very respectful and like me ask millions of questions of those we feel have the skills we are trying to acheive.( It only saddens me that after talking to me they look so disappointed, they soon find out not all old people are smart!:biggrin:) One of the curent Fly Fishing Federation magazines has a cover shot and a great article on an 18 year old casiting champion and in the interview he talks about the things that could help attract younger people to the sport. It also does not hurt that he looks like a young Brad Pitt, but he is the real deal with a family owned business and support for the sport. See ya on the river!

I added to this link to a fly fisherman mailing list that can be purchased for advertisers last updated in April ,2013 that shows average demographics in bottom left of article. They left out how many beers and lies told per year!:rolleyes:

http://lists.nextmark.com/market;jsessionid=5A00FB4E22F2E8FA3FE2482E386B0B81 ?page=order/online/datacard&id=122064 (http://lists.nextmark.com/market;jsessionid=5A00FB4E22F2E8FA3FE2482E386B0B81 ?page=order/online/datacard&id=122064)

waterwolf
05-22-2013, 11:05 AM
I understand everyone who has the opposite view from me, and you all make valid points as well.

**** I was in the business of sharing info for almost 10 years while working in the Creel and add on another 6 while I was guiding here in east tn. I know for certain I was largely responsible for dramatically increasing crowds on all of the areas rivers. Especially the Cumberland and Holston. Back in the day there was no one and I mean zero people from east tn fishing the Cumberland until Scott Rogers went up and discovered how amazing it was, naturally he informed me and others who were close and we started the snowball rolling. Same with the Holston I think Mike Bone and I were the first to float from Indian Cave to Nances in a drift boat and not a week later we were both guiding on that stretch.

As I have matured I enjoy peace and being places where I or the folks with me are the only ones around. The details of my days afield I generally only share with a handful of close friends or anyone obviously is with me.

I'm happy to help with any body who has questions about the river or how something is fishing, but I am not going to broadcast every trip report or every hot fishing I encounter. Just not my thing anymore, and in some ways I feel it is boastful, which should fit me perfectly since my ego can be rather large on occasion :biggrin:

So I get the other sides view and maybe my current views stem from having seen the negative aspects of spreading stories

Both the above mentioned are well known now of course, with the Cumberland virtually dead sadly.

And on the age of fly fisherman, if anyone thinks this sport is aging out they need to drive around campus, pick up a magazine, watch tv shows, surf the Internet, or just go to the river and see that there are more young folks doing this than ever before.

TylerG10
05-22-2013, 12:21 PM
As a 26 year old, I would put myself in the "younger" crowd. However, I have a great job and have both a Bachelors and Masters degree. As I recently posted on the Introduction forum, I am very new to the clinch and do not know a soul here to ask about river conditions except maybe the guys at 3RA. I check the forum multiple times a day and mostly, it is slow around here with information coming in on how the water is fishing. However, a simple google search or walking in to most outfitters or Bass Pro Shops, you can find a fishing report of some sort. It may not have the detail you could get here but you can get an idea.

I say that to say, this is the world as we know it today. Technology is playing a huge part in what we do and learn. I deer hunt, duck hunt, fly fish, and bass fish and I am a member of forums that is devoted to each of those. Some message boards have a specific forum for reports that is locked to only members and I'm sure some of you know, it is hard as heck to become a member of this board. I had to call LRO twice and finally got them to send me a PW. (That could be a solution.)

It would be nice every time I hit the woods or water, I was the only person out there with maybe a few other respectable people. This is my escape from the mainstream. However, the things that you older guys can teach and influence through your posts can really make an impact on how my generation carries themselves on the river. I am not telling you something you do not already know, but fly fishing is a league of its on. There will always be those assholes that have zero etiquette and respect for others.

Sorry, just my two cents. :biggrin:

Corbo
05-24-2013, 01:10 AM
Well there you go... a respectful youngster. Tyler if you ever want to fish with one of the OLD GUYS who has forgotten more than he remembers give me a call. 865-255-4840

Besides I getting a bit feeble and need to have someone tell my family were I happily drown... that they might return with my ashes in lieu of a waste can.

You all need to enlighten up, smile at the guy who crowds you on the river and find joy that your not at home watching the Golf Channel.

You don't mind someone sitting next to you at Church do you?

waterwolf
05-24-2013, 08:26 AM
:rolleyes: .......

TylerG10
05-24-2013, 12:48 PM
Well there you go... a respectful youngster. Tyler if you ever want to fish with one of the OLD GUYS who has forgotten more than he remembers give me a call. 865-255-4840

Besides I getting a bit feeble and need to have someone tell my family were I happily drown... that they might return with my ashes in lieu of a waste can.

You all need to enlighten up, smile at the guy who crowds you on the river and find joy that your not at home watching the Golf Channel.

You don't mind someone sitting next to you at Church do you?

Corbo, I will gladly take you up on the offer anytime. I am all ears. I live in West Knox and try to hit the river after work a few times a week when I can and some weekends. Feel free to shoot me an email, or anyone for that matter, TylerG1077 at gmail.

MadisonBoats
05-25-2013, 06:04 AM
I can understand Jim's (waterwolf) perspective. He was a trailblazer on the Clinch and other rivers. I would expect he had many, many days of solitude and peaceful river adventures. Also; I can relate to have many of those times and I cherish them.

Jim; I hope you do not let the worry of crowds or fishmongers deter you from something you love. Go fish and do want you want on the days you want. Be mindful and prepare yourself for crowds. Take a moment and make conversation and share flies and tips! I know you have a lifetime full of them and you could help so many others have a better day because they have met you....

As for the fishmongers; take a deep breath and show them how much fun fly fishing can be by catching about 5 fishing in a couple of minutes in front of them. :smile:
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Anyhow; the only thing that is for sure is that nothing is for sure. So; make the best of what you have and be blessed in the opportunity. If that does not bring you joy; follow your other hobbies and joys until you know it will.:biggrin:

I hope I do not sound condescending or as I am preaching to you and others. I just wanted to offer words of support and encouragement to invite positive things in your life and fight negativity with a passion. It takes some time; but, you will always win in the end.

waterwolf
05-25-2013, 09:17 PM
Shawn, I really am not negative about this stuff and hope everyone who spends time on the river has great success. There was a time when I generally didn't speak to others on the water unless I knew them. That has changed over the years and as I said earlier I had some great times this past week visiting with some folks on the river that I hadn't seen in years.

I find peace in remote places where many times the fish have only seen my flies. I don't do it out of bitterness towards others, I do it because I enjoy it. I primarily fish for other stuff than trout anymore simply because after 25 years on the Clinch with a bunch of those guiding I'm a little burned out on every aspect of trout fishing our tail waters.

I honestly will never get over my sentiments towards bait fisherman, way too many twra meetings attended listening to them rant for me to ever be able to move on. I know forgiveness is the right approach but this is so deep it will never go away.

I'm typing this from a hotel room in central North Carolina where I have spent all day catching monster grass carp on cicadas and even landed an 8 lb largemouth. We've not seen another fly fisherman and to me it doesn't get better than this. Nothing against others but this is what I enjoy at this stage of my career.

MadisonBoats
05-26-2013, 05:13 AM
Shawn, I really am not negative about this stuff and hope everyone who spends time on the river has great success. There was a time when I generally didn't speak to others on the water unless I knew them. That has changed over the years and as I said earlier I had some great times this past week visiting with some folks on the river that I hadn't seen in years.

I find peace in remote places where many times the fish have only seen my flies. I don't do it out of bitterness towards others, I do it because I enjoy it. I primarily fish for other stuff than trout anymore simply because after 25 years on the Clinch with a bunch of those guiding I'm a little burned out on every aspect of trout fishing our tail waters.

I honestly will never get over my sentiments towards bait fisherman, way too many twra meetings attended listening to them rant for me to ever be able to move on. I know forgiveness is the right approach but this is so deep it will never go away.

I'm typing this from a hotel room in central North Carolina where I have spent all day catching monster grass carp on cicadas and even landed an 8 lb largemouth. We've not seen another fly fisherman and to me it doesn't get better than this. Nothing against others but this is what I enjoy at this stage of my career.

Fabulous! I truly can relate to the joy in your post! We all go through different phases of sporting in our lives. Most of these phases seem to be dictated by the availability and opportunity to experience them. I plan on hitting up the lakes this summer for some bash and walleye fishing. Also; I have never caught a carp on a fly rod. So; that is on my bucket list.

Have a good one up in the mountains! Watch out for the snakes. I almost stepped on one last weekend. It had me so skid-dish; that I saw snakes in every stick and branch for the rest of the day.:eek:

Corbo
05-26-2013, 05:19 AM
On Animal Planet there is a program "North woods law" about game wardens in Maine where I lived for most of my life... the abuses of The Clinch fishery by bait hurlers would never happen in Maine. Trouble is that someone has to give a **** about enforcing the LAW and folks here seem to have little fear of getting busted.

I would wonder if TWRA could tell you how many tickets are writen each year on the Clinch below Norris? My bet is few.

Last time I saw any wardens was at Gator Pont on a saturday when there were a bunch of them hanging out on the dock listening to live music...

No doubt the Lakes are more a focus than tailwaters because they can cruise about in a boat instead o0f walking any distance wearing out shoe leather trying to bust a wormer over the li,it.

Slash a few tires if it makes you feel better; then call the warden to report the slashing... then the get caught over their limit.

Rodonthefly
05-26-2013, 04:44 PM
Fabulous! I truly can relate to the joy in your post! We all go through different phases of sporting in our lives. Most of these phases seem to be dictated by the availability and opportunity to experience them. I plan on hitting up the lakes this summer for some bash and walleye fishing. Also; I have never caught a carp on a fly rod. So; that is on my bucket list.

Have a good one up in the mountains! Watch out for the snakes. I almost stepped on one last weekend. It had me so skid-dish; that I saw snakes in every stick and branch for the rest of the day.:eek:

Shawn, if you're wanting to catch a carp on the fly. Give me a yell, I can put ya on some. If you need my number shoot me a message on Facebook

BlueRaiderFan
05-27-2013, 08:57 AM
That was one pretty bow.