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$3Bridge
09-05-2013, 07:04 AM
Have any of you that trip out there each summer heard about this? Thoughts?

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2012/09/09/happy-day-brook-trout-to-be-poisoned-yellowstone-park-creeks-will-be-restocked-with-native-cutthroat/

Stana Claus
09-05-2013, 09:27 AM
Boy, it's kind of a slap in the face when the shoe gets put on the other foot, isn't it? (And how's that for a mixed metaphor?) It hurts my heart to have our beloved brookies called an "invasive species" and see folks rejoicing at their elimination but, on the other hand I do understand where they're coming from. I guess we can take some comfort from the idea that those stocked brookies are mostly likely from the genetically inferior* northern strain and not our precious (and clearly superior) southern strain appalachian natives. Besides, if I'm going to take the time and spend the money to travel across the country to fish, I'd rather fish for the locally native cutthroats as opposed to stocked non-native fish of whatever variety. But maybe that's just me.

*Said with at least a modicum of tongue-in-cheekiness.

The-Sasquatch
09-05-2013, 10:12 AM
Yeah it's a lesson in contextualization isn't it? Our native species is considered an invasive species somewhere else. It kind of makes you wonder how Germans feel, or western USAers feel when we talk about bows and brownies as being invasive! Okay, I doubt the Germans care, and most people are willing to accept the brownies even though, at least here in the North where we have the "inferior" brookies, they've done more damage to the brook trout than 'bows, but it's still an interesting article.

If you've ever read A River Runs Through It, Maclean talks about fishing for Eastern Brookies. He didn't like them. He said they were pretty, but they were slimmy and didn't fight very hard. He also said the word, "brook" was looked down upon in Montana. He references the size of the trout he was catching, and I thought, "Man I could catch 10" brookies all day long!"

Varmitcounty
09-05-2013, 10:32 AM
I have an article that will be in TROUT magazine soon that deals with this issue.

gills
09-05-2013, 11:59 AM
In Rocky Mtn National Park the possession limits there 16 brookies (6 of which can be any size) plus 2 of any additional trout species 10 inches or more.

David Knapp
09-05-2013, 12:48 PM
The Yellowstone situation is a joke and quite frankly is not all based on good science. I agree with removing non-native fish in streams that originally contained native species that have since been crowded out. However, the YNP is planning to remove all non-native trout from the Gibbon and replace it with West Slope Cutts, and this all despite the fact that their own environmental assessment admits that West Slope Cutts are NOT NATIVE to the upper Gibbon where this project will take place. Yep, they are going to replace one invasive with another. I guess it all makes sense to them since the West Slope Cutts originally existed further down that drainage (which could mean a lot of things). I'm all for native species restoration as long as it is supported by good science. YNP fisheries has crossed the line though at this point, and I have a hard time taking them seriously anymore...afterall, who originally stocked the lake trout in Yellowstone Lake...? :mad:

bigsur
09-06-2013, 10:32 AM
Dear YNP,

Please forward all available brookies to the Clinch River in Tennessee, one more invasive species will not hurt our eco system in the river. We already have yankees, sun burnt tourists, and all other forms of invasive chaos. Little ones, big ones, we don't care, just mail to the Anderson County jail C.O.D. and some of our boys on incarcerated short time can pitch them out the windows into the river. We are fine in the Smokies cause most of us can't catch' em there anyways, your prompt attention to this will be appreciated, cuz it's gonna be cold soon and we watch UT football on most Saturdays anyways!. :biggrin:

Stonefly
09-06-2013, 04:50 PM
...afterall, who originally stocked the lake trout in Yellowstone Lake...? :mad:

I always thought lakers were introduced by some private bucket biologist. Not so?

steve

Varmitcounty
09-06-2013, 05:59 PM
They actually do not know who introduced lakers int Yellowstone Lake. Last summer I worked with TU, The National Park Service, The Yellowstone Park Foundation, and Simms in the removal of some of those lakers. It is a huge problem on a vast scale...far more wide reaching than just the lake itself.

Thunderhead8
09-06-2013, 11:08 PM
They actually do not know who introduced lakers int Yellowstone Lake. Last summer I worked with TU, The National Park Service, The Yellowstone Park Foundation, and Simms in the removal of some of those lakers. It is a huge problem on a vast scale...far more wide reaching than just the lake itself.

I am pretty sure I saw someone who looked like Tonya Harding emptying a couple of 5 gallon buckets of laker fingerlings into Yellowstone Lake. Jus sayin' ;-)

David Knapp
09-07-2013, 12:27 AM
I always thought lakers were introduced by some private bucket biologist. Not so?

steve

That is the general thought, but some people who were around Yellowstone and in the know when the lakers first showed up have pretty good info indicating the NPS may have had more to do with it than anyone is admitting...no way to prove anything though so don't take this as gospel...

chechem
09-08-2013, 10:12 AM
I don't know enough of the details to draw conclusions, but I know one thing: the Gibbon River is crammed with Brookies. As posted earlier (see link), I caught 100 in 6 hours there this summer. Maybe that's a problem, but I thought it was wonderful! Great place for kids to catch something in a beautiful setting.

And if they're looking to return the place to pristine, start by ripping up the highways and parking lots! :biggrin:

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16936&highlight=yellowstone

BlueRaiderFan
09-08-2013, 10:50 AM
I think things are generally beyond repair at this point. Let nature take it's course.

$3Bridge
09-08-2013, 05:42 PM
I don't know enough of the details to draw conclusions, but I know one thing: the Gibbon River is crammed with Brookies. As posted earlier (see link), I caught 100 in 6 hours there this summer. Maybe that's a problem, but I thought it was wonderful! Great place for kids to catch something in a beautiful setting.

And if they're looking to return the place to pristine, start by ripping up the highways and parking lots! :biggrin:

http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16936&highlight=yellowstone

Yes, that upper Gibbon like that is a great place for kids to learn and have fun. Same for upper Gardner near Indian Creek Campground. A kid can catch fish with dragging flies and poor casts. I hate to see that part of the fun taken away, though I will say the though of going after Cutts in streams like the upper Gibbon is appealing.