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10-05-2013, 09:36 PM
Well this week has been an interesting one in the Smokies:eek:

I was looking at quotes on Civil Disobedience on the internet and here are a couple I wish to share.

“An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law” Martin Luther King

“if we don’t rebel, if we’re not physically in an active rebellion, then it’s spiritual death.” Chris Hedges

This week has been a test for the frequent Smokies fisherman. Who to listen to?, what's exact activities are not suggested, and what is illegal to do? Mixed messages and mixed answers everywhere:rolleyes:

Well last night I heard the best info yet from someone on the ground on GoSmokies who asked the ranger at gate what he would do if he hiked up past him up the hill. The ranger said he would watch him walk up the hill. But as long as you didn't move barricades or enter with a vehicle (bike considered a vehicle) you were free to do what you wanted. He even offered to get the head ranger on the radio or something like that. That was pretty good news as I was considering a trip regardless, although being a Smokies regular knew where to enter where are unlikely to have a problem.

Was able to round up Adam (Crockett) as well as Nathan for the trip. It was Adam's first time here and I think he was a little nervous although I knew he would be fine and had the skill set to be there. After meeting Adam off the interstate, he drove us through the tourist **** (PF) and over the mountain. We were pleased to see the bypass open and head to the Park

Things did look a bit different


Rebels everywhere using the pull off not barricaded. While the park does own many a barricade, they don't have enough to close off every spot


We were all confused to see the Park Service removing barricades from Newfound Gap. It was packed on the way back


Over the mountain we went. Should had hit the breakfast joint 30 minutes earlier. Longest wait ever, but was good to fill up for a big day. We finished and drove to my buddies house. I asked him if he had seen any Park Rangers but he just looked at me real funny. I don't think they come up his way very often.

This next picture is for Mac. I know he will appreciate the look on Adam's face. I know it's 400 vertical feet in 300 yards but that's the crazy guys house and I'm not stopping!


And no that's not a fallen tree, It's a vine!


Time to drop in


Almost there


And we made it!


And the close up for you old folks who can't read the small print


But honestly this was the reason we were here.


Will continue

10-05-2013, 09:53 PM
It always nice sharing this place with someone for the first time


Adam sneaking up


Mortal Combat


And please forgive me for calling this granite in a previous post. I got busted by the Granite Police(apparently New Hampshire is full of them), and part of my penalty is to explain that you are looking at Biotite augen gneiss as well as some metasandstone.



Nathan's 4 fish hole (on both trips)


And one of my better rainbows


More of that granite (shock bracelet goes off) I mean Biotite augen gneiss


Nathan thought he heard a Park Service helicopter above and signaled them for landing.


Adam caught the best Brookie of the day


Here Nathan fishes an awesome pool that is too big for one picture



10-05-2013, 10:06 PM

Above is Nathan pointing out the half dozen large fish at the bottom of the pool that won't come up to even give a fly a close inspection.


Lots of climbing


A beautiful scene with Nathan's Razorback in the backround


And the intended species


We thought we saw the grade above and thought it would be easier to use it to get around razorback. Unfortunately what looked like the grade from below turned out to not be the grade which was higher up the hill.


You know you are close to the grade when old parts start showing up. I'm guessing this was for some hose on a train?


We reached the grade soon enough, and debated whether to drop back in just to drop back up again in a little more than a 1/10 of a mile. We opted for the easy road and headed back to the car. On the hike out we reached what was probably a turn around for the train and found some old coal


When we got back to Adam's truck, Nathan pulled a spider off him


I hope this isn't the rehab the Trails Forever crew is working on


Until next time:biggrin:

10-05-2013, 11:03 PM
Nice fish, but it sure looks like you dry-handed a few.:frown:


AL trout bum
10-05-2013, 11:55 PM
Nice trip. I'm glad you guys went anyway. I know several other people that said they were fishing in the park this weekend. I love rebellion!

10-06-2013, 12:53 AM
Thanks for the post, and keep fighting the good fight for the rest of us.

10-06-2013, 07:42 AM
Nice fish, but it sure looks like you dry-handed a few.:frown:


Don't worry, they were eaten:biggrin:

10-06-2013, 08:27 AM
Great photos, thanks. That looks like a mite (not spider).


10-06-2013, 07:32 PM

I appreciate your stance on this and the fine post!!!


10-06-2013, 07:58 PM
Yeah I was feeling it on that one where we had to run up past the crazy people shooting at us. Duckypaddler will take you fishing in the strangest places. I had a great time hanging out with Nathan and James they are awesome Smokies fishermen and sure don't shy away from adventure. As we were driving by a bunch of folks at a pull off who were taking pics on 441 James yelled out the window "Happy Civil Disobedience weekend!" and they all gave thumbs up back at us.

Dropping off the mountainside:

Getting ready to fish:

Nathan casting:

Deep hole:http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll9/CrockettCreek/ForkDrop/pool_zpsba4a32ca.jpg

Some crazy waist deep rapids above a death falls that we crossed:

10-06-2013, 08:22 PM
Some crazy waist deep rapids above a death falls that we crossed:

Crazy to think that we walked right through the center of that:eek: And to think that REALLY IS the safest place to cross:rolleyes:
I know Freddie gave me the "Are you sure" look before we crossed there a few weeks before. I know I am sure glad I've taken several swift water rescue courses as sometimes what appears on the outside to look nasty really is the easiest path.

My only regret is that we didn't catch more fish, and that I could have shown you a few more features. Guess we will have to go back:biggrin:

10-06-2013, 09:42 PM
Don't worry, they were eaten:biggrin:

Are you sure the last time I saw them they were on a porch swing with a small dog laying on top of them.

10-07-2013, 10:43 AM
I plan to nominate the three of you for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Byron Begley
10-07-2013, 12:55 PM
Hi All,

Rangers at the Townsend entrance are letting people walk into the Park. Yesterday, we had a beginner fly fishing class and they were allowed in. Doug and I drove up to the entrance and talked to a couple of Rangers a few minutes ago. They said it is OK to walk in but be aware, you are on your own. Don't get hurt!

I asked about bicycles. They are not letting them in at the entrances where Rangers are on duty. If you entered somewhere else on a bicycle, I don't know what to expect.

So, you can walk into the Park and fish. While we were there several people walked by and proceeded up Little River.

These guys and gals are very sympathetic to all of us as I am feeling the same about them. They are doing their job and talking to a lot of people all day long. I'm sure they are getting grief too from some people.

There is quite a bit of space to Park at the Townsend entrance. There might have been 10 vehicles there when we pulled in. We didn't have a problem finding a place to park.


10-08-2013, 11:53 AM


Have some nice pictures of tasteful civil disobedience. There is also some political drivel but they are still worth a read.

10-08-2013, 01:50 PM
Rangers at the Townsend entrance are letting people walk into the Park. Yesterday, we had a beginner fly fishing class and they were allowed in. Doug and I drove up to the entrance and talked to a couple of Rangers a few minutes ago. They said it is OK to walk in but be aware, you are on your own. Don't get hurt!

That statement holds true where we were, regardless of a shutdown!

Hey let's see some more pictures!


Pale rainbows thrive here


James moving up, Adam fishing a nice spot to the side


How could you NOT love it here? Adam in 'sneak attack combat ninja fishing' mode


The red parts are slippery... walking up in the flowing water is somehow safer...


Adam working a good eddy



10-08-2013, 01:55 PM

I came over the top of a waterfall and saw James with his rod bent over at the pool on the other side...


Inspecting the catch


No, they will not pay any attention to whatever you are throwing at them....


Frothy goodness


There's a rod up there with my name on it.... literally. I guess it will wait for another day...


No broken rods, no lost water bottles, no slip and fall ins over class 5 rapids, no lost rods... I think I finally broke the curse!

Fun as always, guys. Great fishing with you Adam!

10-09-2013, 08:38 AM
Great fishing with you too Nathan some good pics there! Loved it when you pulled out that civil disobedience sign. I guess any wild trout stream can be a dangerous place to fish if one is not very careful but this one I would say is very dangerous. I am glad these guys were here to show me the ropes. Crossing that white water and fishing class 5 rapids is not for the faint of heart. Although the journey to the stream and out was probably the strangest/scariest part. Something I will never forget.