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2weightfavorite
01-26-2014, 12:58 PM
I have heard the park officials say that fishing has no impact on our trout populations in the smokies. If that's true I wonder why Lynn camp stays closed...or perhaps open it as catch and release... just some food for thought. Not trying to start a giant debate (again) about whether it was right or wrong to do the Lynn camp project..

Stana Claus
01-26-2014, 02:08 PM
The "no impact" thing is on established populations. They're still trying to re-establish the native brook trout population to a sustainable level before opening it back up to fishing. Unfortunately, after the bootleg rainbow restocking a couple of years ago that required a reboot of the whole restoration effort, and the flooding events of the last two winters (2013 & 2014) they don't have a good recruitment of new fry since the last stocking to open it back up again.

According to Matt Kulp's presentation on this topic at last Thursday's LRCTU meeting, it will probably be another couple of years before they will be able to open Lynn Camp back up for fishing. They do plan to reseed it with another infusion of brookies from other streams again this year, but if we get the same sort of high-water events next December/January when the fry are most vulnerable, it may set things back some more. But they are making progress and hope to have it back open again soon.

2weightfavorite
01-26-2014, 05:29 PM
I was wondering if they were going to add some more this summer...I'm glad they are going to. Do we know if there are any true new fish? Or are the ones that are being shocked up just ones that were stocked?

Stana Claus
01-26-2014, 08:01 PM
There are some, but sampling numbers for the Young of Year (YOY) for the last two years has been low. Matt attributed that to the timing of the floods in December and January. High water events at those times scour eggs out of the gravel in the stream and wash away fry that have hatched but aren't yet capable enough swimmers to withstand the floods.

Stonefly
02-01-2014, 05:57 PM
Is anyone else as outraged as I am about the private bucket brigade stocking of hatchery rainbows into the project stretch?

May not be as damaging as the lake trout situation in Yellowstone Lake, but still it's unbelievably selfish and arrogant on the part of the culprits.

steve

David Knapp
02-01-2014, 10:20 PM
Is anyone else as outraged as I am about the private bucket brigade stocking of hatchery rainbows into the project stretch?

May not be as damaging as the lake trout situation in Yellowstone Lake, but still it's unbelievably selfish and arrogant on the part of the culprits.

steve

Steve, I'm with you on this one. Unfortunately, I'm guessing that the same people or others who are like-minded will probably repeat that at some point.

2weightfavorite
02-02-2014, 12:54 AM
The rainbows will be back... maybe and hopefully in less numbers, but its impossible to keep them out. Even if no more vigilante stockings occur ...

duckypaddler
02-02-2014, 09:47 AM
The rainbows will be back... maybe and hopefully in less numbers, but its impossible to keep them out. Even if no more vigilante stockings occur ...


??????????

How would more rainbows occur without more stocking? Shy of them swimming up Kick Your Dog Falls, they would have a real hard time:confused:.

Matt wouldn't elaborate, but seemed to have some info on who did the stocking, and when you looked at his map during the presentation, you could see the contamination area was right at a river crossing. He also took full responsibility for the other contamination spot.

I worked to stock some of the original Lynn Camp Brookies with Matt Kulp, and Bugg from this forum, and when we came back the next year we were shocking up lots healthy monsters and YOY in the lower section of river.

With the rains coming again this week, I'm glad as a paddler, but hate it for the Brookies:frown:

Also a major point no one has made yet. Matt did say the numbers high up (where flooding is much less of an issue) were good:biggrin:. He also mentioned that he would have left Lynn Camp open to fishing, and the closing of the stream was a decision by Steve Moore who thought it should be closed because he thought fisherman would have lousy success during the transition and that would somehow translate it opposition to the project.

And while the updated Lynn Camp info was real nice to have, the real "Pearls" of the night was the update on the new genetics project:biggrin:. Matt did a great job of dummying it down to something we could digest.

Can't wait to throw some more in the lower stretch this Summer to make up for what these rains have done

2weightfavorite
02-02-2014, 02:10 PM
I'm not promoting rainbow re introduction. But there ate tons of rivers full of rainbows that were never stocked..they seem to find a way is all. I think the rainbow population will forever be reduced on Lynn camp but in years some will be present. Just like road prong..

Stonefly
02-02-2014, 02:25 PM
At least those would be wild rainbows that are generations removed from a hatchery, versus these that showed evidence they'd come from concrete themselves.

steve

Don Kirk
02-03-2014, 03:14 PM
I grew up in the South in the 1950-60s. I recall when the Princess Theater in Morristown had a separate ticket office for “colored people.” I was in the seventh grade when the public schools were first integrated. I remember when MLK was shot and that next day at high school. I recall a racist past, but not once in my entire life I have actually seen a cross burned or person in a KKK robe. Do they exist? Sure they do. But I lived here for over six decades, and I have never seen one face to face. Frankly too, in me salad days I often frequented the places where one would have expected to see them too.
This supposed bucket stocking of Lynn Camp Prong is a lot like that. No one saw it, but it must be the culprit. This is going to make a lot of people upset, but then I am known for doing that. I’d bet a lot that there never was a bucket stocking. I cannot think of anyone who cares enough to work that hard. A crime without a motive??
Now, on the other hand we have a branch of government charged with doing a job, and saying they did it, and accepting a lot of money in return for their service who may—how shall we say this---did a “urine poor” job of getting rid of the rainbows. Of course everyone knows that for government workers to make mistakes is impossible, so it had to be the Kluxes who reseeded Lynn Camp Prong. Of course, no one saw them, and if they had, you know wearing those white hoods, who could have identified them.
Lynn Camp Prong is but another chapter in Obrookie Care story. Were it not so dog gone funny, it could me you cry how incompetent it all is.

duckypaddler
02-03-2014, 07:14 PM
I grew up in the South in the 1950-60s. I recall when the Princess Theater in Morristown had a separate ticket office for “colored people.” I was in the seventh grade when the public schools were first integrated. I remember when MLK was shot and that next day at high school. I recall a racist past, but not once in my entire life I have actually seen a cross burned or person in a KKK robe. Do they exist? Sure they do. But I lived here for over six decades, and I have never seen one face to face. Frankly too, in me salad days I often frequented the places where one would have expected to see them too.
This supposed bucket stocking of Lynn Camp Prong is a lot like that. No one saw it, but it must be the culprit. This is going to make a lot of people upset, but then I am known for doing that. I’d bet a lot that there never was a bucket stocking. I cannot think of anyone who cares enough to work that hard. A crime without a motive??
Now, on the other hand we have a branch of government charged with doing a job, and saying they did it, and accepting a lot of money in return for their service who may—how shall we say this---did a “urine poor” job of getting rid of the rainbows. Of course everyone knows that for government workers to make mistakes is impossible, so it had to be the Kluxes who reseeded Lynn Camp Prong. Of course, no one saw them, and if they had, you know wearing those white hoods, who could have identified them.
Lynn Camp Prong is but another chapter in Obrookie Care story. Were it not so dog gone funny, it could me you cry how incompetent it all is.

Awful implication that just isn't true:frown: I volunteered the day after the fin clipped ones were pulled out and heard way too many first hand accounts to know it just isn't true. I encourage you to spend a day with the fisheries crew and look them in the eye and then make your own call and make claims directly to them:biggrin:

Don, I have a lot of respect for you, but your starting to sound like that Grumpy Old Man spouting a bunch on nonsense. Obrookie Care? So you never saw a KKK person so they must have never existed either? Tell that to the families that were victims. Just use that google page on that computer of your and check it out, it's pretty well documented;)

Maybe you have to say stirring things like this these days just in order to sell books, and if so just carry on. No need to use logic, common sense, or science, just march off that cliff (figuratively):eek:

And Don you're not making me upset:smile: I just know that sometimes things aren't part of some conspiracy as you make them out to b

2weightfavorite
02-03-2014, 09:18 PM
I for one am a conspiracy theorist at heart. And while I don't necessarily agree with dons simile I do semi agree with some things ( not all) he said. I think trout unlimited, like all large nation wide organizations lines the pockets of certain politicians...and who knows who else.. and laws, such as the endangered species act, do not pertain to them. If the laws did pertain to them some hefty fines need to be handed out for the countless accounts of killing endangered darters during their chemical kill river dumps... but whatever they killed I'm sure was all worth it for " the cause" .

Stonefly
02-04-2014, 01:39 PM
Just as surely as I know the KKK existed, I’m sure some a-ho’s would go to the effort of bucket stocking. Their motivation is less clear, but I could see basic anti-government sentiment as one possibility.

steve

Rob Johnson
02-04-2014, 10:33 PM
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Hope the weather lets us do some fishing soon. I've been seeing some bad cases of cabin fever lately.

Breck
02-04-2014, 10:44 PM
Ducky,

Lets go fishing!!!!

Breck

volfisher
03-05-2014, 09:26 PM
I heard from a TU guy last year at the kids camp that they were saying maybe 2015-16..