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Stonefly
02-19-2014, 01:55 PM
I fall too much. Blame it on Vibram soles if you'll buy that, though I've always fallen in years past with felt. Anyway, I'm thinking of putting spikes in my boots, and curious as to other folks' experience with them. ??

steve

silvercreek
02-19-2014, 03:57 PM
I'd go with something aluminum like the Simms aluminum stars. Carbide can still skate on very hard rock. Aluminum is sticky to rocks. Think about dragging an aluminum canoe over river rocks. Hope you find something that works.

Stonefly
02-19-2014, 04:18 PM
Simms has a couple of carbide styles, the cleats and the spikes. Haven't seen aluminum. Did see Goat Head brand, which is stainless steel.

steve

silvercreek
02-19-2014, 05:02 PM
Go to the LRO online catalog under wading accessories and click on the brand Simms. They are called alumnibite.

The Gubna
02-19-2014, 06:51 PM
I've been using the alumibite Simms product for a little while now. I like them better than the starcleat. Both products increase traction, but I've found they don't last as long as I'd like, and effectiveness diminishes rather quickly. Patagonia has some crampons that look really good, but they're quite proud of their products (I think they list for around $200).

MadisonBoats
02-19-2014, 08:15 PM
Great information from the previous posts.

The aluminum spikes degrade as a side-effect of their gripping characteristic. However; they tend to grip the best on rocks. I would recommend you not use them for long hikes or long-term use.

If you are a hard-core fly fisherman; you should look in to the crampon style cleats.

One tip; it is super economical to buy aluminum screws at the big-box hardware stores and replace them every other month. Also; you can try brass screws. The work pretty awesome as well!;)

Hope this helps! I have not found a fly fishing product for traction that has won me over yet.

Breck
02-20-2014, 06:38 AM
I fall too much. Blame it on Vibram soles if you'll buy that, though I've always fallen in years past with felt. Anyway, I'm thinking of putting spikes in my boots, and curious as to other folks' experience with them. ??

steve

Stonefly,

My goto boots are the Simms Guide boot - vibram sole with the carbide screws. I own 2 pair to date because I never wanted to be without if one needed repair. Two years later no repairs, great traction, the most comfortable if you hike in. Mine are not the newest that have recently come out with the Boa lace system.

I have a size 13 for wet wading and a size 14 for wear with waders.

You are more than welcome to try a pair of mine at your water before deciding. Just shoot me an email.

Breck
breckdavis100@gmail.com

duckypaddler
02-20-2014, 09:50 AM
I fall too much. Blame it on Vibram soles if you'll buy that, though I've always fallen in years past with felt. Anyway, I'm thinking of putting spikes in my boots, and curious as to other folks' experience with them. ??

steve

Have you thought about ditching the vibram for felt? Vibram is great for hiking on the trail but completely fails in the stream IMHO.

How are you falling?

Stonefly
02-20-2014, 10:56 AM
Thanks guys. I have an old pair of felts (probably a couple) but wanting to do my bit to fight didymo, I went for Vibram several years ago. For Christmas this year I got a pair of Simms Vapor, the new lightweight hiking boot style, and those are the ones I'm considering for spikes or cleats.
My older pair of Vibram w/o spikes will be fine for the Caney - anything works there.
I guess my most frequent falls are on angled slabs. Got a bad dislocated shoulder at Cataloochee a few years ago when my feet slid forward and I sat heavily backwards. Then again I had a pretty bad fall last year at Cataloochee (is there a pattern here?) when my toe missed its grip stepping up to the bank and I went down on one knee, hard.
Seems to me that the aluminum cleats that Silver suggested may be the most effective for my situation. We will see...

steve

silvercreek
02-20-2014, 12:31 PM
Years ago I bought a set of aluminum rivets for wading boots. They had a dome head with a post. The rivet was about dime size with a domed head. You inserted the rivet in the hole and drove the post flush with the head with a hammer which expanded the rivet in the sole. They worked well. I didn' know the name of the rivet and have been looking all over the web for it. Turns out it is called an Aluminum Drive Rivet. Another option.

duckypaddler
02-20-2014, 03:06 PM
Thanks guys. I have an old pair of felts (probably a couple) but wanting to do my bit to fight didymo, I went for Vibram several years ago. For Christmas this year I got a pair of Simms Vapor, the new lightweight hiking boot style, and those are the ones I'm considering for spikes or cleats.
My older pair of Vibram w/o spikes will be fine for the Caney - anything works there.
I guess my most frequent falls are on angled slabs. Got a bad dislocated shoulder at Cataloochee a few years ago when my feet slid forward and I sat heavily backwards. Then again I had a pretty bad fall last year at Cataloochee (is there a pattern here?) when my toe missed its grip stepping up to the bank and I went down on one knee, hard.
Seems to me that the aluminum cleats that Silver suggested may be the most effective for my situation. We will see...

steve

One thing to consider is cleats may not work well with the lightweight boots. That's the whole reason I have avoided them myself. I had cleats on my Chota wading shoes (not that lightweight) that I walked 3/4 mile to go retrieve my wife's car (granted it was mostly pavement) where she was not able to get up the hill in my neighborhood a few weeks back. Just in that 3/4 mile it was enough to bruise the bottoms of my feet that were sore for the next week. If you want to super heavy boot as Breck suggested this would probably (with thicker sole) less or not an issue, but with anything lightweight I would be wary. Also with a little common sense the felt is no more of an issue than your Vibram or anything else we have that contacts the water.

Only 3 falls in 2 years without felt - I think your doing great:biggrin:

Stonefly
02-20-2014, 05:01 PM
Only 3 falls in 2 years without felt - I think your doing great:biggrin:

Those are just the ones that resulted in injuries! :redface:

steve

imnohero
05-15-2014, 02:55 PM
I have a pair of Simms with Vibram soles, they seemed okay at first with nothing on them. But as slim goes I needed help, the aluminum bits worked on some rocks in some areas but not others. I added carbide between the aluminum, the Carbide seems to hold on some rocks the aluminum does't and vise a versa too. So now i have 50/50 blend of both. Seems to work for me, for now.

Stonefly
05-15-2014, 03:37 PM
I just put Alumabites on my boots this morning, in anticipation of South Holston and Watauga next week. They're pretty impressive; hope they grip as good as they look.

steve