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Vern
05-22-2006, 09:09 AM
I fished Caney Fork yesterday and had the worst run in with what I consider a redneck I have every had. I hit the river at around 8:30am, there was a small hatch on. (sulfurs? still trying to learn to identify hatches) Hooked up on on nice rainbow and 7 or 8 small stockers. About 9:45 a couple came down the bank, didn't bother me on the caney you learn to deal with corn and one once sinkers being lobbed around you, But, these two were way beyond normal. First off they set thier cooler and tackle boxes on the bank right in front of me. Then the man in a loud voice exclaimed " look that dumb _ of _ is standing in our honey whole." the lady replied with a loud belch. I just changed to a wolly bugger and continued fishing. They wadded up stream a little ways and started lodding the one ounce sinkers across the stream. I caught a couple more stockers, when I heard the lady exclaim that she had one. it was a small stocker that I was glad to see her return to the water. The flelow told her that it was bad luck to let a small one go! and should have kept it. Well I continued to fish when I heard the sound of water being pourd into the river. When I turned around the man had heeded to the call of nature and was using the river. That was enought for me :(< I debated about saying something, but just decided to move on and fish someplace else.
It takes all kinds to make the world, but some I don't need to be around.

jim635
05-22-2006, 11:05 AM
I have run into people like this in Arkansas. Standing in the area of a deep hole I had women casting large lead sinkers at me and then laughing about it. It's best not to say anything to people like that, their mentality is just above pond scum anyway. Only good thing is this time of the year that area is C&R only, so those types don't fish there. Now I am wondering are there C&R areas in the Park or other areas that I might go in June? Thanks

Jim

RFowler
05-22-2006, 12:46 PM
It's best not to say anything to people like that, their mentality is just above pond scum anyway.

That's about as good a description as I've ever heard, Jim ;).

The only C&R in the Park that I know of is brookies. But, you should be able to find plenty of water to fish unmolested. When are you going to be there exactly?

jim635
05-22-2006, 02:29 PM
We will be in Lenoir City on the 3rd and in Townsend area on the 6th. I still have to locate a place to stay. I am going to be stupid and not make reservations untill I get there. We are staying with my son, so I am not really sure when we are leaving his place. Hmmm we might be sleeping in my truck.

Jim

Grumpy
05-23-2006, 07:59 AM
Was that you Vern, the wife thought you was cute & wanted to fish by you ;D, i don't give up water that easily, my casting froth's up the water behind & front of me, yep i still have some redneck in me & i'm pretty vocal to the ones that don't know much about ettiquite 8-)

Grumpy

Vern
05-23-2006, 10:56 AM
Hey Grumpy, she didn't look bad in her pedator camo, that matched the river using man's. From your posts I Never would picture you as a little rat that I met on the river that day. I have learned to just move on instead of getting confrontational plus I was not real crazy about standing in the mans waste since I was down stream.. But when I do see people abusing the fish or breaking the law I will say something.
*I did get into a confrontation at the sme spot a couple years ago. My son and i were fishing the same strech of river, He was 10yr old at the time and was just getting use to wadding. I moved to a spot aliitle down stream and got into the stockers real good. I told my son to move down, whch took him a little time to work his way down. about the same time a man came off the bank and wadded up to with in 15 feet of me right were I wanted my son to stand. I politly asked the man to move down stream because I wanted my son beside me, he had heard me tell my son to move down. He informed the this was a public river and he could fish where he wanted. About that time I was no longer polite and after a few words he moved just far enough that my son could squeese in. I traded places with my son which put me where my back cast was flying over the mans head. He got tired of that and moved on.
* * *At the same spot I met a man fly fishing and he asked if it was OK for him to take my my son and work wiht him on some fishing skills. He said that he was thinking about becoming a guide and enjoyed working with kids. They stayed with in 20 yards of me so I said OK. My son had a great time and learned alot, sometimes coming from someone other than a dad they seem to listen better. Just goes to show that you met all kinds on the river!!! *

Grumpy
05-23-2006, 12:12 PM
There are some mighty fine folks on the river, there's the occaisonal few that you ran into the other day that i can do without.
The bad thing is, we can remember those memories a little clearer than the best ones sometimes :-/

Grumpy

talkingpaul
06-05-2006, 10:29 PM
I have fished the caney for probably 10-11 years now and seen plenty of the idiots you described. I had one strip down to his skivvies and jump for a nice splash and swim about 15 yards from me upstream. Then there are the kids that come out and dont want to fish anymore so they just throw rocks. I have learned to find the remote places. I now walk a couple of miles through the woods in Lancaster to a "special place". Sometimes it is very good thing to just disappear.

Sorry about my fellow rednecks. I am one, But fortunately i was not dropped too many times in my earlier years.

Grumpy
06-06-2006, 08:35 AM
Posted on our BB over the weekend, 2 guys came down the river in a boat upon a guy FF'n, words were started, one guy get's out of the boat & advances on FF'r, he takes off vest & lays rod down, redneck chickens out, get's back in boat & they leave.
This was reported by an observer ready to take up the slack if the other guy had decided to join in.
I know it's getting warm & all, i go to the river to get away from everyday stress/life to enjoy myself. The last thing i want to do is get into a fight, the last thing i would do is back down from some yokel as well.
L ike the rest of ya, i try to get away from the crowds, a few fish & hours of enjoyment shouldn't be ruined by someone "dropped" as talkingpaul mentioned.
Let's hope the crowds will start to thin out as the temps& holidays get fewer in between.

Grumpy

DrDan
06-06-2006, 01:19 PM
i have not fished the caney for a few years but did see more "unhappy interactions" as fishing pressure increased.

sadly, flyfisherman can be just as responsible as "rednecks" for altercations...many flyfisherman act like they own the river and are dispariging towards any other form of fishing. i have a friend who owns a chunk of river frontage on another river...it is humorous to hear about people yelling at him for ruining "their fishing spot" when he literally owns the river and bar they are fishing from. he has no problems with people fishing...but will not tolerate people who abuse his family if they want to enjoy their property.

fighting over fishing is silly...and has the potential for something really bad...like guns getting pulled

RFowler
06-06-2006, 04:54 PM
...it is humorous to hear about people yelling at him for ruining "their fishing spot" when he literally owns the river and bar they are fishing from. he has no problems with people fishing...but will not tolerate people who abuse his family if they want to enjoy their property.

fighting over fishing is silly...and has the potential for something really bad...like guns getting pulled

I couldn't agree more that it's silly to fight over fishing but sometimes people push too far. You have to stand up for you rights, sometimes. Just like the friend you mentioned, I bet he would fight to protect his family. BTW, I used to own TVA tailwater property but I never did think "I literally owned the river". If I did, I think that would've been potential for heated arguements. Your friend is right to hold his tongue but if his family is envolved then I also think he is within his rights to do something about it.

Vern
06-23-2006, 10:38 AM
I am going back up this weekend and camping with my son and one of his friends. Hopefully only the good rednecks will be there. I just came back from the Great smokey mountians and was proud of both of my children. My daughter at the age of 8yrs old respects nature better than most adults. we past some rocks one a back county hike that had peoples names written on them, my daughter turned to me and said " You know I hate people littering, but that will one day go away. but daddy these names on these rocks will last forever, won't they?" I think that I need to get her to give lessons to people like the one's I met in the river. She also caught a trout on a rooster tail in Gatlinburg that was foulhooked in the gills. I did all I could do to return it alive but it struggled at our feet for about 20min. She turned to me and asked it I ould catch it in my net and give to the man that was keeping trout that was fishing down from us, so we don't let it go to waste, because she didn't think it was going to live. When I gave the trout to the man and his grandson I also gave him the rooster tail She was using, you would have thought they won the Lottery. Like I said I am one proud Dad.
I will give a report after I return sunday on the Redneck hatch on Caney Fork.

snaildarter
07-15-2006, 12:49 AM
OK, just have to put this in. Some of you may know Dr. Brad Cook, the TN Tech professor who teaches some entomology courses for LRO (BTW, he is a great guy. I was a student of his in college. We called him Sasquatch. Rather, some of the Water Center researchers/grad students did; he was too nice a guy for me to call him that).

Anyway, he was fishing the Betty's Island of the Caney and was approached by a man with a shotgun. The guy demanded that he leave, saying he was trespassing (he wasn't). I think the guy with the shotgun ended up leaving before it got too heated. If anyone is in contact with Brad, yall could ask him for the full story.

I've had plenty of experience with rednecks over the years. I was born and raised one in rural TN, but I don't claim the redneck heritage that other folks from this area sometimes proudly do. Redneck to me means poor education, teen pregnancy, loud camaros, meth labs, hate crimes, subsidized living and xenophobia. I think the best way to handle rednecks is to pity them, because they often come from environments that contribute to such behavior. After you are done pitying the redneck messing up your fishing, then react however makes you feel best. I would have told that guy who called you a dumb _ of a _ to "go to _ you stupid _ _ redneck." But depending on my mood, I may have just walked off. Just do what makes you happiest! ;D

Having said all that, my wife's family in Albany, NY is surrounded by a neighborhood where there are 3 huge, jacked-up trucks. And her extended family, like mine, is full of jobless, ignorant, drug-abusing rednecks. They live everywhere, from Biscayne Bay to Mt Rainier to the Catskills. So they aren't just a southern thing. I want to be clear here: I don't blame anyone for a poor and rural upbringing, lacking opportunity. But I do want to help them out of their squalor. Sometimes calling a redneck exactly what he is might be the best thing for him to hear. If you go too far with your help, be able to run fast, like me.

troutwhisperer
08-02-2006, 08:56 PM
i have my own redneck story too.
i was fishing avery productive run in one of my special places on the caney, when a canoe comes around the bend.they see me catch one or two before they got there, and when they did they dropped an anchor right on the other side of it oblivious to the trout scattering every which way some between my legs. the first thing they did was drop two poles baited with bright green powerbait into the water below them an d reach into the cooler and pull out two cans of Pabst blue ribbon out. the whole time ive been standing there with my jaw dropped down to my waist. if it hadnt been a sunday afternoon i believe i would said some words to the two guys. but i just waded on down to the next pool and caught a few fish when out of the corner of my eye i see the canoe come floating down. when one of the guys asked"whater they bitin on" i did the best i could a and said "a gold ribbed parachute female blue winged adams"(dont know how i came up with that). the guy that asked said "jimmy dont believe we got one a those" and jimmy said "nope dont believe we do."

Grumpy
08-03-2006, 11:31 AM
i would've asked for one of those PBR's ;D

Grumpy

Paula Begley
08-03-2006, 01:08 PM
I have a redneck story too...

"Once upon a time, a girl who had never flyfished before, dated a redneck who used to fish the Caney Fork river. *He taught her how to flyfish...ZOMG!!! It was lurrrve! *They married, opened a fly shop and lived happily ever after!" 8-)

Paula

DALEFISH
08-04-2006, 03:43 PM
not really a redneck story,but it amazed me when i fished up there,at 3 guys in a alum bass boat came fishing down to me while i was wading,i had been having good luck in an area when they used their 70hp gas motor to position themselves around me.right thru where i was fishing and back and forth.seems like back when i was a kid in my bass fishing days with my dad,he always instructed me about showing others respect(to them fishing and the area they were fishing)sure would be nice if that were the case these days.
good fishing everyone
dalefish

Grumpy
08-04-2006, 06:08 PM
I have a redneck story too...

"Once upon a time, a girl who had never flyfished before, dated a redneck who used to fish the Caney Fork river. *He taught her how to flyfish...ZOMG!!! It was lurrrve! *They married, opened a fly shop and lived happily ever after!" 8-)

Paula



:'(, ugh, that's a love story ain't it?

Grumpy

Paula Begley
08-04-2006, 09:41 PM
I have a redneck story too...

"Once upon a time, a girl who had never flyfished before, dated a redneck who used to fish the Caney Fork river. *He taught her how to flyfish...ZOMG!!! It was lurrrve! *They married, opened a fly shop and lived happily ever after!" 8-)

Paula



:'(, ugh, that's a love story ain't it?

Grumpy

Hells bells! I forgot the redneck part.....

"She now *is* one! The End" :D

Paula

psnapp
08-05-2006, 12:03 AM
Such a fitting ending, Ms. PB'r! ;D