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lauxier
11-14-2006, 05:43 PM
my friend dwayne,a regular visitor to pigeon forge,a more than regular visitor to dollywood,and a non visitor to the park,and a winnebago-addict--told me --his next trailor down,friend told him --the bear population in the park is the highest it has every been since becoming a national park---is this true?does anyone know what part of the park has the highest comcentration of bear population???Is it possible to make accurate estimates of bear numbers?????

Kevin_Thomas
11-14-2006, 07:26 PM
Link to the National Park Service on bears...

http://www.nps.gov/grsm/naturescience/black-bears.htm

russ
11-15-2006, 09:28 AM
layxier, if you want to see some bears go to Monroe County in the Cherokee National Forest. When a bear becomes a problem n the GSMNP, if it doesn't get shot by the rangers, then it gets re-located to the National Forest where hunters are. ;D

Mark_Cathey
11-16-2006, 09:27 PM
Yes, it's possible to have a pretty accurate estimate of bear numbers in the park. *I have a friend who's a ranger on the NC side, and she says that, though the bear population is the highest it's been in a couple of decades (which is good, since they were running pretty scarce for a while, there) it's not as high as it was back in the day. *I don't know where the highest population is, but we've seen several when fishing on the upper ends of both Fish Camp Prong and Little River over the past year. *Just give them a wide berth, and they won't mess with you. *

Just be careful about leaving that open Snickers bar in the pocket of your vest.

ttas67
11-23-2006, 01:49 AM
all I know about the population is what I have observed. I have been fishing the park for a little over 3 years now. the first season, I was in the park fishing an average of 4 days a week (by the way, that's not a good idea when you're trying to establish a career as a real estate agent). I saw one bear. the next year, I averaged 3 days a week, I saw about 5 bears, a pig, and a sasquatch (I'm joking). this past year, I have fished sparsely on the weekends and have seen well over 20 bears. now, I must admit that these were mostly seen from the safety of my veh, most of them in the cades cove area. there appears to be a bear explosion in the park. if the population got out of control, what would the park service do? is it out of the question to ever allow a hunt? I know a lot of people would go crazy over this, but it seems that they will eventually start terrorizing the nearby tourist areas, as there's only so much food in the park. last I heard there were 2 bears per square mile, or maybe its one bear per 2 square miles. either way that doesn't seem like enough food area per bear, but I'm no wildlife specialist

buckeyetrouter
11-23-2006, 06:57 PM
hey Lauxier......if you are asking because you want to see bear, just take the rich mtn road turn off out of the loop.....this road (one way) leads back to townsend and I have seen bear on it every time I've traveled it.........

buckeyetrouter

TroutDude
11-26-2006, 08:29 PM
Just wanted to say that I saw a mom and 2 cubs Wednesday just past the Laurel Falls parking area.

Kytroutbum
11-26-2006, 10:28 PM
Saw them? in that area the first of the month. Must be denning in area and came out to enjoy the weather 8-).

TroutDude
11-27-2006, 09:48 AM
They were about 75 yards off the road. We just happened to be coming through the park from Townsend at about 3:30 so it was a completely chance encounter. I was pretty surprised to see them. I think they were coming out for thanksgiving turkey.

sammcdonald
11-27-2006, 02:20 PM
the bears in the laural falls area have been there all summer, fall, and still actively feeding before den up. there are appx 2+ bears per square mile. cucmber gap loop is also heavily populated, gregory bald area, madron bald area, marks cove....
several bears have been relocated and, on one saturday in october, 16 tourons were arrested for harrassment of bears (YEAH).
sam

Kytroutbum
11-28-2006, 09:11 PM
, on one saturday in october, 16 tourons were arrested for harrassment of bears (YEAH).
sam

ABOUT TIME, the wildlife makes fishing in the park very enjoyable experience for me. I love the "WILD" bears. I've seen so much disregard for Park rules that past few years. Dogs running loose on the trails, where they are not permitted. Food, garbage left out on campsites, Bicycles on tails, etc. *The Gov't has turned too much over to Volunteers (No disrespect, I've been one myself). More paid professional rangers should employed. *The Smokies are not the only place. I've seen dogs and people running through roped off endangered shorebird nesting sites on the Outer Banks, had dogs growl at me (I am a dog lover!!) as I climbed mountains in Acadia NP in Maine. Total disregard for Signed areas. Wildlife in the park has a hard enough time staying "wild" even the rules are followed.

By the way, I still carry my bear spray ;)
Randy Sale

MTN_TRT
11-29-2006, 09:37 AM
... on one saturday in october, 16 tourons were arrested for harrassment of bears (YEAH).
sam

WOO-HOO! Save the bears!...and the manatee! Im glad to see theyre doing something besides shooting the bears now. I actually am more afraid of people than of the bears....hmmm? Think about it...
Just a question what other "DANGEROUS" creatures are in the park? Any Mtn Lions? Rabid Wolves? Bigfoot? Hostile locals?

MTN_TRT
LIFE IS GOOD

lauxier
11-29-2006, 11:09 AM
my friend Dwayne came in yesterday--was still suffering from bear-anoia--told him Ihad some bad news for him--had talked to a park ranger--here is the bad news
1)actually bears are attracted to Winnebagoes,and the sound of an ice maker filling a high ball glass.here's what usually happens----
a)bear approaches Winney
b)bear tears door off of hindges
c)enters winney--grabs wife--drags her off to have way with her
d)returns wife-the bear is not that lonely yet
e)tears door off refrigerator
f)finds a couple cases of beer--some mustard and something that is very old bologna or very new cheese.
g)goes on to TV room
h)sees surround sound stereo--thinks about listening to a few tunes--becomes enraged because he does not like barry manilow or slim whitman--sees the 32 inch plasma tv--crashes it because it's channel locked on QVC--its boyd bear day
i)wife enters tv room from bedroom wearing flimsey,see through,fredricks of hollywood, nighty
k)bear flees winnebago campground,vowing never to return---

Woody
11-30-2006, 06:02 PM
Sounds like it about time for LRO to start stocking bear repellent.

moflyer3
12-01-2006, 02:59 PM
, on one saturday in october, 16 tourons were arrested for harrassment of bears (YEAH).
sam

ABOUT TIME, the wildlife makes fishing in the park very enjoyable experience for me. I love the "WILD" bears. I've seen so much disregard for Park rules that past few years. Dogs running loose on the trails, where they are not permitted. Food, garbage left out on campsites, Bicycles on tails, etc. *The Gov't has turned too much over to Volunteers (No disrespect, I've been one myself). More paid professional rangers should employed. *The Smokies are not the only place. I've seen dogs and people running through roped off endangered shorebird nesting sites on the Outer Banks, had dogs growl at me (I am a dog lover!!) as I climbed mountains in Acadia NP in Maine. Total disregard for Signed areas. Wildlife in the park has a hard enough time staying "wild" even the rules are followed.

By the way, I still carry my bear spray ;)
Randy Sale


Check out the most recent edition of The Mens Journal. There is an interesting article about National Park funding woes, the alleged causes, etc. I too am discouraged. I'm not a tree hugger, but arent the National Parks about preservation? Have fly fished in a "National Scenic Riverway" recently and witnessed illegal harvesting, vehicles driving through the stream, etc. Called the NPS about it and they said they simply dont have funding for rangers to patrol it adequately.

ruggerfly
12-01-2006, 04:01 PM
moflyer3,

I am a forester and fisherman, so conducting timber harvests in a responsible manner is important to me. When you said that there was "illegal harvesting", what were you refering to? A lot of times, people do not understand the forestry practices being utilized, and refer to any timber operation/harvesting/logging as irresponsible (people like the aesthetics of older trees). You are right in that the National Parks were set aside for preservation (i.e. no timber harvesting), while Natioanl Forests were established for a continuing supply of a renewable resource (timber).

Kytroutbum
12-01-2006, 07:37 PM
I think the reference to illegal harvesting concerned taking fish in "a delayed harvest" stream. ???

twnurse2k
12-03-2006, 11:05 PM
About 4 years ago I volunteered some at the Appalachian Bear Center in townsend and at that time they were kept pretty busy (and still are) raising orphaned cubs and releasing them in the areas where they were found. I got to go along on a release in the Cherokee National Forrest and the only thing the cubs wanted to do was get the heck away from humans ASAP! This is generally always the case except when there is easy food (garbage), human encroachment on territory, increased bear population, and/or low amounts of mast - natural food sources that the bears put on weight with in the Fall and early Winter, usually white oak acorns.

As I understand it all of these factors have been in place for 3 or 4 of the last 5 years so bear encounters are surely on the incline and will probably continue to rise. Having had exposure to only the youngest of cubs I am truely amazed at how much strength even the little ones have, I can't even begin to imagine what a motivated adult would be capable of. Please everyone, be safe, be alert, know about bear behavior and the warning signs. Oh yeah, I gotta get me some pepper spray too.

Merry Christmas,
Tony

Kytroutbum
12-05-2006, 01:35 AM
twnurse2k comments are very accurate. We have underestimated the speed, strength, and passive nature of the Black Bear. We usually hear and worry about Grizzlies, but if a Black Bear attacks its usually to kill and eat.
The bears make the Smokies a very special place. If everyone enjoyed them from a distance, followed bear protocol in the back country a lot of the bear problems would not occur.

I carry "CounterAssault" spray- recommended by Forest Service folks in Yellowstone area. NFS personnel are required to carry it in the Gallitin and Shoshone Forests. If you order it, CounterAssault.com, read the directions and follow them. ( There is lot of "MISLEADING INFORMATION" on various forums concerning it uses and effectiveness.)It is NOT a repellent to be sprayed around camp, on clothes etc. It is designed to be sprayed INTO THE FACE of a bear AFTER you tried everything else. In documented attacks, 15 of 16 attacking Grizzlies did "180's" when sprayed with this stuff, the 16th knocked human down, then turned and ran her own cub over to get away form it. The NPS in the park folks don't reccomend it but HAVE NOT OUTLAWED it in the park. Treat it like you are carrying a loaded gun.

wndeagle
12-05-2006, 04:47 PM
sounds pretty effective, why do the rangers not recommend it?

lauxier
12-05-2006, 10:54 PM
I carry UDAP bear detterant spray--it has a range of 40 ft--this spray was developed by a guy mauled by a Grizzly in Glacier in the 90's--I think all bears should be treated with respectful-fearsomeness by humans--you are in their territory--I doubt wheather any of us will be attacked by a black bear in the park we like so much--BUT---if you feed a bear junk food or any food the bear gets for free and associates with you, then you are setting a trap for the camper or visitor,who may be alone,and follows the bear rules(these are the tough rules gained the hard way from people mauled by bears)(these are the rules broken in the past,which have nothing to do with you or your bear etiquette,which you want to keep distant from the bear,these are broken rules and behavior that are paid for by the innocent,bear attacks,bears that are canine not human.)If a bear circles you with it's ears up,and it is quiet,intense acting...then it is not acting...get your spray out and hope for the best...

ijsouth
12-06-2006, 12:00 AM
The only comparison I can make is with gators...most of the ones I have seen in the wild dive and swim away when they see a boat...however, start feeding them, and they get as aggressive as cottonmouths. Sometimes, I wonder if we really are breeding progressively dumber people.

I think I'll check out that spray, particularly if I go camping with my kids.

Kytroutbum
12-06-2006, 01:44 AM
Many people are not aware but a bear with a yearly cub killed a Cosby Area school teacher up above Elkmont while she and her ex husband were fishing. I personally had a yearling bear (very emaciated) -beeline down a hill toward me while I was fishing above Elkmont several years ago. After throwing several rocks in the river near him, it left before I found it necessary to spray it. My lunch, etc. was in my day pack up a tree more than a quarter mile away. One of the gals working at Tremont was jogging along the road above the institute and had a bear approach her and follow her for a ways. Every year, somebody has bear problems which NPS doesn't advertise. I fish the Beartooth Mt.-Shoshone Forest area Northeast of Cooke City,Mt. and Yellowstone. This area is full of Grizzly. My experience with the "Big Brown Furry's" there has been to see their backside as they run away. The NF campgrounds in the area have a Large Bear Box on each site which the campground hosts inform you you will use. Coolers, tooth paste, any thing connected with food or smell goes into it. Leaving a soft drink can or water bottle out on the table is frowned upon. I wish I could say the same for GSMNP campgrounds.

Reading between the lines, I felt that the NPS were concerned about people having spray and not knowing how to useit. It is a oil based mist that suspends in the air. I had my wife "practice" with removing the safety and shooting off a burst once. We went down to the stream a hundred yards away to fish, and had the mist blown back on us. :'( The procedure is a quick spray to the bear's face then to assess the situation and wind direction before spraying again. You need to be very careful with it.
I can't agree more with the previous posts. It amazes me how some people get the "STUPIDS" in our parks.

" ;D Remember the Government wouldn't allow any animals in the National Parks that would hurt us ;D"

lauxier
12-06-2006, 11:06 AM
kytroutman--went to yellostone sept 2006,as i do most every year---on a bright weekday i ran over to the lamar valley and slough creek for abit of fishing---after crossing the yellostone river on the road leading into the lamay valley--i came upon a traffic jam--which usually means "wildlife"--got out and walked up to a circular group of folks shooting pics like crazy--in side the circle was a bear cub(brown)---a guy next to me had a digital camera,snapping pics as fast as he could--i said--You know mama is around here somewhere--don't think he appreciated it much--said these were just park bears they are used to humans--i said thats habituation--habituation has gotten many a person mauled--the guy said --you do your thing i'll do mine--i said okey-doughky and made a line back to my vehicle---a park ranger pulled up --saw what was going on and WENT OFF---those vacation,pic shooting,get close to nature,folks scattered--the cub exited to the right--started across the bottoms leading to the river---Did not see a mama bear--guess it was somewhere close because the cub was too healty looking----the park ranger has a pump action shotgum in hand---he lacked compassiun for the visitors--once traffic got moving he walked by my vehicle--i said that was close----he said your ****ed right that was close---these people will keep pulling stunts like this till someone gets hurt or worse then everyone will be so outraged and demand that something be done--so much for yellowstone vacations--

mmorgan135
12-06-2006, 04:54 PM
Do you think that a firework would be a good deterant for bears. I cant remember if it was on this board or not but someone said that if you heard noises outside of your tent while camping in the backcounty, to just lite a m-80 or similar firework and then boom.....no more noises. Does anyone think that carrying a few in your pocket and disposed of if need be that it would be an alternative to spray?

ruggerfly
12-06-2006, 05:03 PM
I have no idea if an M-80 would deter a bear, but don't let a ranger catch you with them ;D

russ
12-06-2006, 05:11 PM
I would agree that if you set off a m-80 inside your tent that you won't hear any more noises, except for the ringing in your ears. Don't know if it would scare a bear away or not, but you won't be able to hear them if they stay around! ;D

psnapp
12-06-2006, 07:03 PM
I have a friend who carries bottle rockets with him on backpacking trips. He assures me that a bottle rocket fired out the tent door will drive 'em away every time! :)

Byron Begley
12-06-2006, 07:42 PM
Our neighbor used a gasoline powered leaf blower to keep bears away from his bee hives all night last year. They wouldn't go far but when they came back he would fire it up again and they would leave. He fired a shotgun in the air for a while and that worked well but he switched to the blower so it wouldn't keep us up all night. The next day he moved his hives to Maryville. Eventually the bears were trapped and removed. They drove us crazy for a while. They were not afraid of people. When they are around I carry a 38 with me when I walk the dogs at night just to scare them off.

Byron

mmorgan135
12-06-2006, 11:24 PM
[quote]I would agree that if you set off a m-80 inside your tent that you won't hear any more noises, except for the ringing in your ears. *Don't know if it would scare a bear away or not, but you won't be able to hear them if they stay around! ;D[/quot

lmao! yall are really funny. I think that I will sneak a couple m-80s in if I ever go camping in the backcountry

ttas67
12-07-2006, 01:52 AM
I just got on counter assault and udap's website and now I'm freakin out about bears. I don't carry spray, but I'm considering it now. a couple of years ago i googled "bear attacks". don't do that. you'll read some pretty scary stuff. when I was in yellowstone I remember them saying the most common injury was people being gored by bison. also to byron, you should stock bear spray. I bet the tourists would eat it up!

moflyer3
12-07-2006, 04:40 PM
moflyer3,

I am a forester and fisherman, so conducting timber harvests in a responsible manner is important to me. *When you said that there was "illegal harvesting", what were you refering to? *A lot of times, people do not understand the forestry practices being utilized, and refer to any timber operation/harvesting/logging as irresponsible (people like the aesthetics of older trees). *You are right in that the National Parks were set aside for preservation (i.e. no timber harvesting), while Natioanl Forests were established for a continuing supply of a renewable resource (timber). *


Ruggerfly,

I think I used an incorrect term. I meant that they were taking fish out that werent big enough.

ruggerfly
12-07-2006, 05:01 PM
moflyer3,

OOPS, sorry about the misunderstanding :-[. Sometimes, my mind automatically makes the jump to timber/forestry, but I should have known better (after all this is a fishing message board ;))

lauxier
12-07-2006, 05:46 PM
ttas67---carry bear spray--you will probably never need it ----as Will Rogers said about a Winchester rifle--"If you find yourself in need of one...you will need it badly....

mmorgan135
12-07-2006, 08:22 PM
I was just reading an article about how a Senator or Congressman from Virginia is trying to pass a bill that would allow for concealed firearms to be allowed in the National Parks. Are you guys for or against this as another means of protection. Like pepper spray, you may carry a firearm and never use it but if you ever needed one, I'm sure that you are happy to have had it.

moflyer3
12-07-2006, 08:23 PM
moflyer3,

OOPS, sorry about the misunderstanding :-[. *Sometimes, my mind automatically makes the jump to timber/forestry, but I should have known better (after all this is a fishing message board ;))


Ruggerfly,

Not a problem. * You taught me something about forestry (on a fishing board no less).

8-)

ttas67
12-08-2006, 12:49 AM
guns in the park? this is a very political topic. I don't have a problem with no guns in the parks, but I personally believe you should be able to carry a weapon. of all the places I could think of that I'd want to be armed, the wilderness ranks probably no.1. I don't think the brave men of a century ago would have went off into the woods without a gun. why should I? my old roomate and I used to get into arguments about this all the time (about carrying bear spray even). he doesn't fish, but is an avid backpacker and climber, and he's tough as nails. but he believes that having a weapon takes away from the outdoor experience. that it's not as natural. I can see his point, but it seems more natural to me to be armed. when in history has man went cavorting around in nature without a weapon of some kind? only recently as far as I know. this would of course probably be a nightmare for the rangers to deal with, so I see both sides.

Kytroutbum
12-08-2006, 01:15 AM
I feel carrying a Gun for Bear Protection is a bad Idea. 1) The Pepper Spray WORKS and is non-lethal, a bullet isn't if you make a mistake. Too many people are around in many areas of the park and many of them seem to "get the stupids" the minute they set foot in the park. Having gotten a very small and diluted blow back of spray on me :'(, I guarantee a full blast would deter a bear! I would be more afraid of folks carrying guns than of bears. I have 4 firearms in my home, broken down and locked, and 2 canisters of bear spray in our bedroom. If an intruder were in my home, I'd go for the spray. My wife carries old dated cans in our cars,( the pepper stays good, only the propellant distance is reduced).
2) A wounded bear in a crowded park could be a nightmare. I remember seeing pictures of the old metal coolers after the black bear swatted it. They can run faster in the sprint, climb faster and higher than us. A wounded bear would be a lot worse than a hungry curious one. I had a malnourished yearling pace across Little River from me.(See earlier post) My son and I were able to scare it away after a few tense minutes. I had my spray ready incase, but didn't need it. I'm afraid many people without my background, and who were carrying a gun, would have felt threatened enough to try to shoot it. If you are going to shot a bear, you had better be able to knock it down in its tracks. (Which is almost impossible) My son and I have fun telling stories of Dad and the bear and wishing we had gone back for the camera in the car.If I had shot and wounded the bear the situation could and probably would get very ugly. I'm afraid many people would be inclined to go "bear hunting" rather than avoiding close contact, etc.
Randy Sale

ttas67
12-08-2006, 08:05 AM
you make a very good point. instead of trying to diffuse the situation, a lot of people would probably just shoot at a bear if it got close to them. also, does anyone know... is there any problems with poaching in the smokies?

kytroutman
12-08-2006, 10:00 AM
It takes a pretty large caliber and high grain load to drop a bear. Anything less will do nothing more than PO the bear. I personally wouldn't want to be in the park with others carrying sidearms, especially the tourons who freak out over a millipede.

ruggerfly
12-08-2006, 11:09 AM
I work and fish out in the woods, and I am going to steer clear of the bear/gun topic ;D

lauxier
12-08-2006, 12:13 PM
guns in the park??? NO WAY....park visitors are not responsible with coke cans let alone a firearm.Just because you have a gun,does not mean you will drop a bear---a bears resiliance to bullets is stuff of legend.Wounded bears are not only pitiful,but are mean ,mean,mean....who wants to go to a park for a little fishing to hear the carma of the place adulterated by gun shots---That politician took for granted everyone is as dum as he is--Ican see carrying a gun for protection from politicians,not bears(also politicians would look better mounted)(I am not anti-gun,by the way)

choctaw
12-08-2006, 02:34 PM
About the bears and us: First let me say hello to all you guys that I have not met yet! Moved up here from the Alabama coast in February. New to fly fishing but 50 years in the streams down there, the gulf and in woods throughout the south. Am the guy that you may have seen on the tv in June last that killed the 375 pound boar bear on my home porch on Cove Mountain. Here's my opinion: Our Creator gave us the privilege and blessings of the streams and the woods.. and the responsibilities for learning about them, how to deal with them and to care of them and their inhabitants. We need to take that as a sacred responsibility and opportunity!!
These animals, fish and other wildlife are just trying to live...searching for food and shelter plus reproducing..all programed by their Creator. We are entering into their world, not vice versa...interferring would probably be a better word for what some are doing. Once we let these animals learn to associate food with humans and not be be afraid of us we can expect them to create dangerous situations for them and for us....the worse being when we cause them to fear for their life or for that of their cubs.

I am for the the right to arm ourselves and the privilege of concealed carry permits. BUT I am not for citizens carrying weapons in the GSMNP unless it is for travelling to and from sites allowing for permitted hunting. The bear spray is the better way for protection.

A bear is a very hard animal to stop with even a proper weapon with the proper
load. If my wife had continued through the door that night she would have blocked that bear's leaving no escape route and not doubt it would have panicked and had to attack her!! I shot that bear through the heart with a 35 caliber carbine with a 160 grain jacketed bullet. It still ran 35 yards before falling! The game wardens were called and agreed with all that I did. They had been trying to trap/eliminate him for over two years and told me that it was just a matter of time before someone cornered him and he 'had' to attack. We humans caused that bear to do what he found natural, obtaining food the easy way...in this case bird seed! (Again, our fault for putting it out!)

What if one of the tourons had wounded him with a small caliber weapon in Metcalf Bottoms with those crowds present where he had, indeed, been getting into picnic food and also turning over those dumpsters for several years?

Let's just leave the park's bears, snakes, deer and all the other of the Creator's critters alone by keeping our distance and not making food available. (Except for the fish...but let's leave them there, too.....'afterwards'.)

Be careful. And have fun!!!

Choctaw

Kytroutbum
12-08-2006, 04:46 PM
While I do advocate carrying pepper spray-> PLEASE READ THE DIRECTIONS AND FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES. TREAT IT LIKE YOU WOULD A FIREARM!! It is very nasty stuff and should be used only as a last resort.

lauxier
12-08-2006, 08:14 PM
nasty is not the word for it---be sure to check the wind---tested a cannister of the stuff a few years back--pulled the trigger and was zapped out of the can with force---the wind pushed the fog back on us---I got a little of it ,coughed,burned---that goodness my wife and mother-in-law caught the brunt of the cloud...

Ky trout man
12-12-2006, 05:14 PM
hello everyone, new to the board.

I have often thought about this very situation. I have a concealed carry permit, but not sure if they should be allowed in the park. I will say this. I feel more afraid of bears in Shenendoah NP than I am in the GSMNP (had a bad experience there a few years ago).

I am all for the second ammendment, but I am not sure I trust many of the visitors to the parks to use good judgement when it somes to the wildlife in our national parks. At least if the pepper spray is not used properly, the consequences are a lot less.

All of this being said, I am pretty sure that I break the law because often there is a .45 in the glove box of my truck (forget to take it out sometimes when leaving.

yoursmokies
04-19-2009, 11:10 AM
I carry "CounterAssault" spray...

...The NPS in the park folks don't reccomend it but HAVE NOT OUTLAWED it in the park. Treat it like you are carrying a loaded gun.

This very FALSE information. BEAR SPRAY IS ILLEGAL IN THE GSMNP period.

I bought spray and was planning to carry it this year. I was contacted by higher ups in the NPS on the record about the legality and have posted the full story about it here: It is Legal or Illegal to have Bear Spray in the GSMNP (http://yoursmokies.blogspot.com/2009/04/is-bear-pepper-spray-legal-or-illegal.html)

BlueRaiderFan
04-19-2009, 11:34 AM
We need to get an e mailing campaign going to our congresspersons about the pepper spray. I personally don't agree with no guns, but pepper spray? That's ridiculous.

yoursmokies
04-19-2009, 12:52 PM
Even as a gun owner I don't want firearms in the GSMNP. Bear Spray should be enough of a deterrent with a black bear.

As a person who hikes in the GSMNP solo 7 days a week, I want to carry the Bear Spray I bought but I refuse to break the law.

If you read my article you will see that I recommend contacting your congressman or Washington not locally at the park level. An organized campaign could make a change to the current.

Since there are "safety issues" for "improper use" I would gladly pay for a class to get a "park permit" in order to carry this potentially life saving device.

Fisherman are especially vulnerable as they are “fish scented”, often alone and away from others and can easily startle a bear if they can’t be heard above rushing water.

BlueRaiderFan
04-19-2009, 02:01 PM
Well, I wrote Jim Cooper abnout it (for all the good it will do me). Hopefully others will do the same.

Arctic Grayling
04-25-2009, 12:50 PM
BEARS????? :confused:

And just how do you expect me to concentrate on my fishing if I have to worry about BEARS???? ;)